What comes first for KOC?

@"bigbone62" said:

@"supafreak84" said:

@"bigbone62" said:

He @"supafreak84" said:

@"StickyBun" said:

@"supafreak84" said:

@"StickyBun" said: I remember last year at this time, some board members had angst about not winning any of the preseason games and were starting to shit on the regime already, lol. 13 wins later.....still shitting on the new regime!  :p

Oh wow, it's the 13 win argument again....yawn

Yeah, last year sucked. 

Yes Spielman did a great job assembling that roster 

Right, and had last year's team stunk Im sure you would have been the first to point out Rick was at fault. 

He was fired because the team underperformed two seasons in a row, but as we saw last year it certainly wasn't due to a lack of talent as we won those 13 games (like Maroon and some others like to beat their chests about) with 98% of Spielmans players..

So that's a yes or no? Had last year's team stunk you would have blamed the roster Rick built and we wouldn't have been subjected to your incesent beating of the dead horse that is your unhealthy obsession with KAM.

Christ, I'm an internal pessimist to the max, but you take it to a whole different level. The same people post on this board day in and day out. So you constantly posting the same shit but worded differently isn't reaching anyone who doesn't already know your stance. 

@"supafreak84" said:

@"MaroonBells" said:

@"supafreak84" said:

@"MaroonBells" said:

@"supafreak84" said:

@"StickyBun" said: I remember last year at this time, some board members had angst about not winning any of the preseason games and were starting to shit on the regime already, lol. 13 wins later.....still shitting on the new regime!  :p

Oh wow, it's the 13 win argument again....yawn

Yes, leave it to the Vikings to become the first team in sports history for whom wins and losses can not be used as a worthwhile metric to evaluate the team.

Yes and most of us are using the LOSS in the game that mattered most as the worthwhile metric for evaluation. 

One game. Coming from you, that's not surprising. But I would say most reasonable people use the entire season--the wins and the losses, the good and the bad--to evaluate the team, and its prospects for 2023. 

One game? We were a flawed football team all season that pulled out a record number of single score, miracle wins. Losing to a good team (not even an upper echelon team like SF, Philly, or Dallas) at home in the first round of the playoffs was more telling as the "worthwhile metric of evaluation." So yeah, continue to be excited about those 13 wins from last year if it floats your boat. 

@"supafreak84" said:

@"bigbone62" said:

@"supafreak84" said:

@"bigbone62" said:

He @"supafreak84" said:

@"StickyBun" said:

@"supafreak84" said:

@"StickyBun" said: I remember last year at this time, some board members had angst about not winning any of the preseason games and were starting to shit on the regime already, lol. 13 wins later.....still shitting on the new regime!  :p

Oh wow, it's the 13 win argument again....yawn

Yeah, last year sucked. 

Yes Spielman did a great job assembling that roster 

Right, and had last year's team stunk Im sure you would have been the first to point out Rick was at fault. 

He was fired because the team underperformed two seasons in a row, but as we saw last year it certainly wasn't due to a lack of talent as we won those 13 games (like Maroon and some others like to beat their chests about) with 98% of Spielmans players..

So that's a yes or no? Had last year's team stunk you would have blamed the roster Rick built and we wouldn't have been subjected to your incesent beating of the dead horse that is your unhealthy obsession with KAM.

Christ, I'm an internal pessimist to the max, but you take it to a whole different level. The same people post on this board day in and day out. So you constantly posting the same shit but worded differently isn't reaching anyone who doesn't already know your stance. 

Of course I would have, but that's not what happened. I criticized Rick when it was deserved. I thought never supplying the QB room with high upside or developmental backups was a huge mistake. His philosophy of acquiring late round picks to "beat other teams to the punch" with UDFA was ridiculous and rarely fruitful. He drafted players I was never a fan of that turned into busts, like Mike Hughes and Teddy Bridgewater. But he did a lot of good, brought in a lot of talent, and this team won a lot of games during his tenure. 

And I've never mentioned KAM once in this entire thread. Funny though that making an honest team assessment turns into "beating a dead horse about an unhealthy obsession with KAM" lol. Okkkk...

@"MaroonBells" said:

@"supafreak84" said:

@"MaroonBells" said:

@"supafreak84" said:

@"MaroonBells" said:

@"supafreak84" said:

@"StickyBun" said: I remember last year at this time, some board members had angst about not winning any of the preseason games and were starting to shit on the regime already, lol. 13 wins later.....still shitting on the new regime!  :p

Oh wow, it's the 13 win argument again....yawn

Yes, leave it to the Vikings to become the first team in sports history for whom wins and losses can not be used as a worthwhile metric to evaluate the team.

Yes and most of us are using the LOSS in the game that mattered most as the worthwhile metric for evaluation. 

One game. Coming from you, that's not surprising. But I would say most reasonable people use the entire season--the wins and the losses, the good and the bad--to evaluate the team, and its prospects for 2023. 

One game? We were a flawed football team all season that pulled out a record number of single score, miracle wins. Losing to a good team (not even an upper echelon team like SF, Philly, or Dallas) at home in the first round of the playoffs was more telling as the "worthwhile metric of evaluation." So yeah, continue to be excited about those 13 wins from last year if it floats your boat. 

And the year before lost a record number of close games, with 8 of our 9 losses by one score. 2022 was a regression to the mean (and beyond) in terms of close games.

I've said it before but that was essentially the same team--a 10-11 win team who lost a couple more than they should have, then the next year, won a couple more than they should have. But Cousins playing less risk averse and KOC coaching better situational football also played a part. 

Same thing will happen this year, as we lose a couple more of those either-way games, because that's just how the NFL works. But I also think we'll be less vulnerable to the blowout. 

@"MaroonBells" said:

@"supafreak84" said:

@"bigbone62" said:

@"supafreak84" said:

@"bigbone62" said:

He @"supafreak84" said:

@"StickyBun" said:

@"supafreak84" said:

@"StickyBun" said: I remember last year at this time, some board members had angst about not winning any of the preseason games and were starting to shit on the regime already, lol. 13 wins later.....still shitting on the new regime!  :p

Oh wow, it's the 13 win argument again....yawn

Yeah, last year sucked. 

Yes Spielman did a great job assembling that roster 

Right, and had last year's team stunk Im sure you would have been the first to point out Rick was at fault. 

He was fired because the team underperformed two seasons in a row, but as we saw last year it certainly wasn't due to a lack of talent as we won those 13 games (like Maroon and some others like to beat their chests about) with 98% of Spielmans players..

So that's a yes or no? Had last year's team stunk you would have blamed the roster Rick built and we wouldn't have been subjected to your incesent beating of the dead horse that is your unhealthy obsession with KAM.

Christ, I'm an internal pessimist to the max, but you take it to a whole different level. The same people post on this board day in and day out. So you constantly posting the same shit but worded differently isn't reaching anyone who doesn't already know your stance. 

Of course I would have, but that's not what happened. I criticized Rick when it was deserved. I thought never supplying the QB room with high upside or developmental backups was a huge mistake. His philosophy of acquiring late round picks to "beat other teams to the punch" with UDFA was ridiculous and rarely fruitful. He drafted players I was never a fan of that turned into busts, like Mike Hughes and Teddy Bridgewater. But he did a lot of good, brought in a lot of talent, and this team won a lot of games during his tenure. 

And I've never mentioned KAM once in this entire thread. Funny though that making an honest team assessment turns into "beating a dead horse about an unhealthy obsession with KAM" lol. Okkkk...

You don't have to mention him. Your agenda comes through loud and clear. 

@"StickyBun" said:

@"MaroonBells" said:

@"supafreak84" said:

@"bigbone62" said:

@"supafreak84" said:

@"bigbone62" said:

He @"supafreak84" said:

@"StickyBun" said:

@"supafreak84" said:

@"StickyBun" said: I remember last year at this time, some board members had angst about not winning any of the preseason games and were starting to shit on the regime already, lol. 13 wins later.....still shitting on the new regime!  :p

Oh wow, it's the 13 win argument again....yawn

Yeah, last year sucked. 

Yes Spielman did a great job assembling that roster 

Right, and had last year's team stunk Im sure you would have been the first to point out Rick was at fault. 

He was fired because the team underperformed two seasons in a row, but as we saw last year it certainly wasn't due to a lack of talent as we won those 13 games (like Maroon and some others like to beat their chests about) with 98% of Spielmans players..

So that's a yes or no? Had last year's team stunk you would have blamed the roster Rick built and we wouldn't have been subjected to your incesent beating of the dead horse that is your unhealthy obsession with KAM.

Christ, I'm an internal pessimist to the max, but you take it to a whole different level. The same people post on this board day in and day out. So you constantly posting the same shit but worded differently isn't reaching anyone who doesn't already know your stance. 

Of course I would have, but that's not what happened. I criticized Rick when it was deserved. I thought never supplying the QB room with high upside or developmental backups was a huge mistake. His philosophy of acquiring late round picks to "beat other teams to the punch" with UDFA was ridiculous and rarely fruitful. He drafted players I was never a fan of that turned into busts, like Mike Hughes and Teddy Bridgewater. But he did a lot of good, brought in a lot of talent, and this team won a lot of games during his tenure. 

And I've never mentioned KAM once in this entire thread. Funny though that making an honest team assessment turns into "beating a dead horse about an unhealthy obsession with KAM" lol. Okkkk...

You don't have to mention him. Your agenda comes through loud and clear. 

Its really just bitch time. Straight up. I thought Supa had more value but he's just a 'me right' kind of fan. Whatever.

@"supafreak84" said:

@"StickyBun" said:

@"MaroonBells" said:

@"supafreak84" said:

@"bigbone62" said:

@"supafreak84" said:

@"bigbone62" said:

He @"supafreak84" said:

@"StickyBun" said:

@"supafreak84" said:

@"StickyBun" said: I remember last year at this time, some board members had angst about not winning any of the preseason games and were starting to shit on the regime already, lol. 13 wins later.....still shitting on the new regime!  :p

Oh wow, it's the 13 win argument again....yawn

Yeah, last year sucked. 

Yes Spielman did a great job assembling that roster 

Right, and had last year's team stunk Im sure you would have been the first to point out Rick was at fault. 

He was fired because the team underperformed two seasons in a row, but as we saw last year it certainly wasn't due to a lack of talent as we won those 13 games (like Maroon and some others like to beat their chests about) with 98% of Spielmans players..

So that's a yes or no? Had last year's team stunk you would have blamed the roster Rick built and we wouldn't have been subjected to your incesent beating of the dead horse that is your unhealthy obsession with KAM.

Christ, I'm an internal pessimist to the max, but you take it to a whole different level. The same people post on this board day in and day out. So you constantly posting the same shit but worded differently isn't reaching anyone who doesn't already know your stance. 

Of course I would have, but that's not what happened. I criticized Rick when it was deserved. I thought never supplying the QB room with high upside or developmental backups was a huge mistake. His philosophy of acquiring late round picks to "beat other teams to the punch" with UDFA was ridiculous and rarely fruitful. He drafted players I was never a fan of that turned into busts, like Mike Hughes and Teddy Bridgewater. But he did a lot of good, brought in a lot of talent, and this team won a lot of games during his tenure. 

And I've never mentioned KAM once in this entire thread. Funny though that making an honest team assessment turns into "beating a dead horse about an unhealthy obsession with KAM" lol. Okkkk...

You don't have to mention him. Your agenda comes through loud and clear. 

Its really just bitch time. Straight up. I thought Supa had more value but he's just a 'me right' kind of fan. Whatever.

Again, because I don't see this as a 12 win team that makes me a "me right" fan? I hope I'm wrong, but this is me being objective on the roster deficiencies I think we have on this team. I'd love nothing more then the "blowing sunshine out their asses" heard on this message board to be right. Guess we'll find out soon 

@"supafreak84" said:

@"StickyBun" said:

@"MaroonBells" said:

@"supafreak84" said:

@"bigbone62" said:

@"supafreak84" said:

@"bigbone62" said:

He @"supafreak84" said:

@"StickyBun" said:

@"supafreak84" said:

@"StickyBun" said: I remember last year at this time, some board members had angst about not winning any of the preseason games and were starting to shit on the regime already, lol. 13 wins later.....still shitting on the new regime!  :p

Oh wow, it's the 13 win argument again....yawn

Yeah, last year sucked. 

Yes Spielman did a great job assembling that roster 

Right, and had last year's team stunk Im sure you would have been the first to point out Rick was at fault. 

He was fired because the team underperformed two seasons in a row, but as we saw last year it certainly wasn't due to a lack of talent as we won those 13 games (like Maroon and some others like to beat their chests about) with 98% of Spielmans players..

So that's a yes or no? Had last year's team stunk you would have blamed the roster Rick built and we wouldn't have been subjected to your incesent beating of the dead horse that is your unhealthy obsession with KAM.

Christ, I'm an internal pessimist to the max, but you take it to a whole different level. The same people post on this board day in and day out. So you constantly posting the same shit but worded differently isn't reaching anyone who doesn't already know your stance. 

Of course I would have, but that's not what happened. I criticized Rick when it was deserved. I thought never supplying the QB room with high upside or developmental backups was a huge mistake. His philosophy of acquiring late round picks to "beat other teams to the punch" with UDFA was ridiculous and rarely fruitful. He drafted players I was never a fan of that turned into busts, like Mike Hughes and Teddy Bridgewater. But he did a lot of good, brought in a lot of talent, and this team won a lot of games during his tenure. 

And I've never mentioned KAM once in this entire thread. Funny though that making an honest team assessment turns into "beating a dead horse about an unhealthy obsession with KAM" lol. Okkkk...

You don't have to mention him. Your agenda comes through loud and clear. 

Its really just bitch time. Straight up. I thought Supa had more value but he's just a 'me right' kind of fan. Whatever.

Again, because I don't see this as a 12 win team that makes me a "me right" fan? I hope I'm wrong, but this is me being objective on the roster deficiencies I think we have on this team. I'd love nothing more then the "blowing sunshine out their asses" heard on this message board to be right. Guess we'll find out soon 

@"ArizonaViking" said:

@"supafreak84" said:

@"StickyBun" said:

@"MaroonBells" said:

@"supafreak84" said:

@"bigbone62" said:

@"supafreak84" said:

@"bigbone62" said:

He @"supafreak84" said:

@"StickyBun" said:

@"supafreak84" said:

@"StickyBun" said: I remember last year at this time, some board members had angst about not winning any of the preseason games and were starting to shit on the regime already, lol. 13 wins later.....still shitting on the new regime!  :p

Oh wow, it's the 13 win argument again....yawn

Yeah, last year sucked. 

Yes Spielman did a great job assembling that roster 

Right, and had last year's team stunk Im sure you would have been the first to point out Rick was at fault. 

He was fired because the team underperformed two seasons in a row, but as we saw last year it certainly wasn't due to a lack of talent as we won those 13 games (like Maroon and some others like to beat their chests about) with 98% of Spielmans players..

So that's a yes or no? Had last year's team stunk you would have blamed the roster Rick built and we wouldn't have been subjected to your incesent beating of the dead horse that is your unhealthy obsession with KAM.

Christ, I'm an internal pessimist to the max, but you take it to a whole different level. The same people post on this board day in and day out. So you constantly posting the same shit but worded differently isn't reaching anyone who doesn't already know your stance. 

Of course I would have, but that's not what happened. I criticized Rick when it was deserved. I thought never supplying the QB room with high upside or developmental backups was a huge mistake. His philosophy of acquiring late round picks to "beat other teams to the punch" with UDFA was ridiculous and rarely fruitful. He drafted players I was never a fan of that turned into busts, like Mike Hughes and Teddy Bridgewater. But he did a lot of good, brought in a lot of talent, and this team won a lot of games during his tenure. 

And I've never mentioned KAM once in this entire thread. Funny though that making an honest team assessment turns into "beating a dead horse about an unhealthy obsession with KAM" lol. Okkkk...

You don't have to mention him. Your agenda comes through loud and clear. 

Its really just bitch time. Straight up. I thought Supa had more value but he's just a 'me right' kind of fan. Whatever.

Again, because I don't see this as a 12 win team that makes me a "me right" fan? I hope I'm wrong, but this is me being objective on the roster deficiencies I think we have on this team. I'd love nothing more then the "blowing sunshine out their asses" heard on this message board to be right. Guess we'll find out soon 

Nobody thinks this is a 12 win team.  Consensus on the board is pretty much a 8 to 10 win team...and this with high hopes.  And the derogatory remarks you always throw out their does nothing but prove what posters claim regarding your holier-than-though attitude.  An example is when you told another poster to "Fuck Off" was totally unnecessary. 

@"StickyBun" said:

@"supafreak84" said:

@"StickyBun" said:

@"MaroonBells" said:

@"supafreak84" said:

@"bigbone62" said:

@"supafreak84" said:

@"bigbone62" said:

He @"supafreak84" said:

@"StickyBun" said:

@"supafreak84" said:

@"StickyBun" said: I remember last year at this time, some board members had angst about not winning any of the preseason games and were starting to shit on the regime already, lol. 13 wins later.....still shitting on the new regime!  :p

Oh wow, it's the 13 win argument again....yawn

Yeah, last year sucked. 

Yes Spielman did a great job assembling that roster 

Right, and had last year's team stunk Im sure you would have been the first to point out Rick was at fault. 

He was fired because the team underperformed two seasons in a row, but as we saw last year it certainly wasn't due to a lack of talent as we won those 13 games (like Maroon and some others like to beat their chests about) with 98% of Spielmans players..

So that's a yes or no? Had last year's team stunk you would have blamed the roster Rick built and we wouldn't have been subjected to your incesent beating of the dead horse that is your unhealthy obsession with KAM.

Christ, I'm an internal pessimist to the max, but you take it to a whole different level. The same people post on this board day in and day out. So you constantly posting the same shit but worded differently isn't reaching anyone who doesn't already know your stance. 

Of course I would have, but that's not what happened. I criticized Rick when it was deserved. I thought never supplying the QB room with high upside or developmental backups was a huge mistake. His philosophy of acquiring late round picks to "beat other teams to the punch" with UDFA was ridiculous and rarely fruitful. He drafted players I was never a fan of that turned into busts, like Mike Hughes and Teddy Bridgewater. But he did a lot of good, brought in a lot of talent, and this team won a lot of games during his tenure. 

And I've never mentioned KAM once in this entire thread. Funny though that making an honest team assessment turns into "beating a dead horse about an unhealthy obsession with KAM" lol. Okkkk...

You don't have to mention him. Your agenda comes through loud and clear. 

Its really just bitch time. Straight up. I thought Supa had more value but he's just a 'me right' kind of fan. Whatever.

Again, because I don't see this as a 12 win team that makes me a "me right" fan? I hope I'm wrong, but this is me being objective on the roster deficiencies I think we have on this team. I'd love nothing more then the "blowing sunshine out their asses" heard on this message board to be right. Guess we'll find out soon 

I never said I saw it that way either, did you see my thread that said 9 wins? I'm just let it happen first, then bitch. I've never been Pollyanna or Blue Sky. Go ahead, ask anyone in this community, I've been here FOREVER. I have more posts here than I should have, but I've been working remotely as a sales executive for 20+ years so I have time to get on the Internet sporadically, which means in a 2 or 3 day period I can be a prolific poster and then disappear for 2 weeks. I've been a hardcore critic when called for. I was here long before this board, all the way back to Viking Underground and beyond. It doesn't make me better or worse, I'm just saying I'm not a homer. Seriously, ask....does anyone here think I've been a homer? I've got over 13,000 posts....it would be there in the history. Go ahead and find the sunshine posts....please do. Otherwise, just shut the f_ck up. I'm as critical a fan as you'll find that is hardcore and long time. 

When its time to be critical, I'm there. Its August 27th. 

@"ArizonaViking" said:

@"supafreak84" said:

@"StickyBun" said:

@"MaroonBells" said:

@"supafreak84" said:

@"bigbone62" said:

@"supafreak84" said:

@"bigbone62" said:

He @"supafreak84" said:

@"StickyBun" said:

@"supafreak84" said:

@"StickyBun" said: I remember last year at this time, some board members had angst about not winning any of the preseason games and were starting to shit on the regime already, lol. 13 wins later.....still shitting on the new regime!  :p

Oh wow, it's the 13 win argument again....yawn

Yeah, last year sucked. 

Yes Spielman did a great job assembling that roster 

Right, and had last year's team stunk Im sure you would have been the first to point out Rick was at fault. 

He was fired because the team underperformed two seasons in a row, but as we saw last year it certainly wasn't due to a lack of talent as we won those 13 games (like Maroon and some others like to beat their chests about) with 98% of Spielmans players..

So that's a yes or no? Had last year's team stunk you would have blamed the roster Rick built and we wouldn't have been subjected to your incesent beating of the dead horse that is your unhealthy obsession with KAM.

Christ, I'm an internal pessimist to the max, but you take it to a whole different level. The same people post on this board day in and day out. So you constantly posting the same shit but worded differently isn't reaching anyone who doesn't already know your stance. 

Of course I would have, but that's not what happened. I criticized Rick when it was deserved. I thought never supplying the QB room with high upside or developmental backups was a huge mistake. His philosophy of acquiring late round picks to "beat other teams to the punch" with UDFA was ridiculous and rarely fruitful. He drafted players I was never a fan of that turned into busts, like Mike Hughes and Teddy Bridgewater. But he did a lot of good, brought in a lot of talent, and this team won a lot of games during his tenure. 

And I've never mentioned KAM once in this entire thread. Funny though that making an honest team assessment turns into "beating a dead horse about an unhealthy obsession with KAM" lol. Okkkk...

You don't have to mention him. Your agenda comes through loud and clear. 

Its really just bitch time. Straight up. I thought Supa had more value but he's just a 'me right' kind of fan. Whatever.

Again, because I don't see this as a 12 win team that makes me a "me right" fan? I hope I'm wrong, but this is me being objective on the roster deficiencies I think we have on this team. I'd love nothing more then the "blowing sunshine out their asses" heard on this message board to be right. Guess we'll find out soon 

Nobody thinks this is a 12 win team.  Consensus on the board is pretty much a 8 to 10 win team...and this with high hopes.  And the derogatory remarks you always throw out their does nothing but prove what posters claim regarding your holier-than-though attitude.  An example is when you told another poster to "Fuck Off" was totally unnecessary. 

@"StickyBun" said:

@"supafreak84" said:

@"StickyBun" said:

@"MaroonBells" said:

@"supafreak84" said:

@"bigbone62" said:

@"supafreak84" said:

@"bigbone62" said:

He @"supafreak84" said:

@"StickyBun" said:

@"supafreak84" said:

@"StickyBun" said: I remember last year at this time, some board members had angst about not winning any of the preseason games and were starting to shit on the regime already, lol. 13 wins later.....still shitting on the new regime!  :p

Oh wow, it's the 13 win argument again....yawn

Yeah, last year sucked. 

Yes Spielman did a great job assembling that roster 

Right, and had last year's team stunk Im sure you would have been the first to point out Rick was at fault. 

He was fired because the team underperformed two seasons in a row, but as we saw last year it certainly wasn't due to a lack of talent as we won those 13 games (like Maroon and some others like to beat their chests about) with 98% of Spielmans players..

So that's a yes or no? Had last year's team stunk you would have blamed the roster Rick built and we wouldn't have been subjected to your incesent beating of the dead horse that is your unhealthy obsession with KAM.

Christ, I'm an internal pessimist to the max, but you take it to a whole different level. The same people post on this board day in and day out. So you constantly posting the same shit but worded differently isn't reaching anyone who doesn't already know your stance. 

Of course I would have, but that's not what happened. I criticized Rick when it was deserved. I thought never supplying the QB room with high upside or developmental backups was a huge mistake. His philosophy of acquiring late round picks to "beat other teams to the punch" with UDFA was ridiculous and rarely fruitful. He drafted players I was never a fan of that turned into busts, like Mike Hughes and Teddy Bridgewater. But he did a lot of good, brought in a lot of talent, and this team won a lot of games during his tenure. 

And I've never mentioned KAM once in this entire thread. Funny though that making an honest team assessment turns into "beating a dead horse about an unhealthy obsession with KAM" lol. Okkkk...

You don't have to mention him. Your agenda comes through loud and clear. 

Its really just bitch time. Straight up. I thought Supa had more value but he's just a 'me right' kind of fan. Whatever.

Again, because I don't see this as a 12 win team that makes me a "me right" fan? I hope I'm wrong, but this is me being objective on the roster deficiencies I think we have on this team. I'd love nothing more then the "blowing sunshine out their asses" heard on this message board to be right. Guess we'll find out soon 

I never said I saw it that way either, did you see my thread that said 9 wins? I'm just let it happen first, then bitch. I've never been Pollyanna or Blue Sky. Go ahead, ask anyone in this community, I've been here FOREVER. I have more posts here than I should have, but I've been working remotely as a sales executive for 20+ years so I have time to get on the Internet sporadically, which means in a 2 or 3 day period I can be a prolific poster and then disappear for 2 weeks. I've been a hardcore critic when called for. I was here long before this board, all the way back to Viking Underground and beyond. It doesn't make me better or worse, I'm just saying I'm not a homer. Seriously, ask....does anyone here think I've been a homer? I've got over 13,000 posts....it would be there in the history. Go ahead and find the sunshine posts....please do. Otherwise, just shut the f_ck up. I'm as critical a fan as you'll find that is hardcore and long time. 

When its time to be critical, I'm there. Its August 27th. 

@"supafreak84" said:

@"ArizonaViking" said:

@"supafreak84" said:

@"StickyBun" said:

@"MaroonBells" said:

@"supafreak84" said:

@"bigbone62" said:

@"supafreak84" said:

@"bigbone62" said:

He @"supafreak84" said:

@"StickyBun" said:

@"supafreak84" said:

@"StickyBun" said: I remember last year at this time, some board members had angst about not winning any of the preseason games and were starting to shit on the regime already, lol. 13 wins later.....still shitting on the new regime!  :p

Oh wow, it's the 13 win argument again....yawn

Yeah, last year sucked. 

Yes Spielman did a great job assembling that roster 

Right, and had last year's team stunk Im sure you would have been the first to point out Rick was at fault. 

He was fired because the team underperformed two seasons in a row, but as we saw last year it certainly wasn't due to a lack of talent as we won those 13 games (like Maroon and some others like to beat their chests about) with 98% of Spielmans players..

So that's a yes or no? Had last year's team stunk you would have blamed the roster Rick built and we wouldn't have been subjected to your incesent beating of the dead horse that is your unhealthy obsession with KAM.

Christ, I'm an internal pessimist to the max, but you take it to a whole different level. The same people post on this board day in and day out. So you constantly posting the same shit but worded differently isn't reaching anyone who doesn't already know your stance. 

Of course I would have, but that's not what happened. I criticized Rick when it was deserved. I thought never supplying the QB room with high upside or developmental backups was a huge mistake. His philosophy of acquiring late round picks to "beat other teams to the punch" with UDFA was ridiculous and rarely fruitful. He drafted players I was never a fan of that turned into busts, like Mike Hughes and Teddy Bridgewater. But he did a lot of good, brought in a lot of talent, and this team won a lot of games during his tenure. 

And I've never mentioned KAM once in this entire thread. Funny though that making an honest team assessment turns into "beating a dead horse about an unhealthy obsession with KAM" lol. Okkkk...

You don't have to mention him. Your agenda comes through loud and clear. 

Its really just bitch time. Straight up. I thought Supa had more value but he's just a 'me right' kind of fan. Whatever.

Again, because I don't see this as a 12 win team that makes me a "me right" fan? I hope I'm wrong, but this is me being objective on the roster deficiencies I think we have on this team. I'd love nothing more then the "blowing sunshine out their asses" heard on this message board to be right. Guess we'll find out soon 

Nobody thinks this is a 12 win team.  Consensus on the board is pretty much a 8 to 10 win team...and this with high hopes.  And the derogatory remarks you always throw out their does nothing but prove what posters claim regarding your holier-than-though attitude.  An example is when you told another poster to "Fuck Off" was totally unnecessary. 

Well again, so was that posters unnecessary blast about me as the resident "wannabe GM" and trying to blast me for ripping Kwesi when I never even brought him up in the thread. But I'm not going to get into little bitch politics again here with the mob and another bait post. Let's just get this season started already and we'll see where things lie. 

@"ArizonaViking" said:

@"supafreak84" said:

@"ArizonaViking" said:

@"supafreak84" said:

@"StickyBun" said:

@"MaroonBells" said:

@"supafreak84" said:

@"bigbone62" said:

@"supafreak84" said:

@"bigbone62" said:

He @"supafreak84" said:

@"StickyBun" said:

@"supafreak84" said:

@"StickyBun" said: I remember last year at this time, some board members had angst about not winning any of the preseason games and were starting to shit on the regime already, lol. 13 wins later.....still shitting on the new regime!  :p

Oh wow, it's the 13 win argument again....yawn

Yeah, last year sucked. 

Yes Spielman did a great job assembling that roster 

Right, and had last year's team stunk Im sure you would have been the first to point out Rick was at fault. 

He was fired because the team underperformed two seasons in a row, but as we saw last year it certainly wasn't due to a lack of talent as we won those 13 games (like Maroon and some others like to beat their chests about) with 98% of Spielmans players..

So that's a yes or no? Had last year's team stunk you would have blamed the roster Rick built and we wouldn't have been subjected to your incesent beating of the dead horse that is your unhealthy obsession with KAM.

Christ, I'm an internal pessimist to the max, but you take it to a whole different level. The same people post on this board day in and day out. So you constantly posting the same shit but worded differently isn't reaching anyone who doesn't already know your stance. 

Of course I would have, but that's not what happened. I criticized Rick when it was deserved. I thought never supplying the QB room with high upside or developmental backups was a huge mistake. His philosophy of acquiring late round picks to "beat other teams to the punch" with UDFA was ridiculous and rarely fruitful. He drafted players I was never a fan of that turned into busts, like Mike Hughes and Teddy Bridgewater. But he did a lot of good, brought in a lot of talent, and this team won a lot of games during his tenure. 

And I've never mentioned KAM once in this entire thread. Funny though that making an honest team assessment turns into "beating a dead horse about an unhealthy obsession with KAM" lol. Okkkk...

You don't have to mention him. Your agenda comes through loud and clear. 

Its really just bitch time. Straight up. I thought Supa had more value but he's just a 'me right' kind of fan. Whatever.

Again, because I don't see this as a 12 win team that makes me a "me right" fan? I hope I'm wrong, but this is me being objective on the roster deficiencies I think we have on this team. I'd love nothing more then the "blowing sunshine out their asses" heard on this message board to be right. Guess we'll find out soon 

Nobody thinks this is a 12 win team.  Consensus on the board is pretty much a 8 to 10 win team...and this with high hopes.  And the derogatory remarks you always throw out their does nothing but prove what posters claim regarding your holier-than-though attitude.  An example is when you told another poster to "Fuck Off" was totally unnecessary. 

Well again, so was that posters unnecessary blast about me as the resident "wannabe GM" and trying to blast me for ripping Kwesi when I never even brought him up in the thread. But I'm not going to get into little bitch politics again here with the mob and another bait post. Let's just get this season started already and we'll see where things lie. 

It's pretty sad when a grown man plays the "Victim's Card"...

This would be a more appropriate question;
What is more embarrassing,1) Not winning a pre-season game.
2) Losing to Daniel Jones at home in the playoffs.

@"FLVike" said:

This would be a more appropriate question; What is more embarrassing,1) Not winning a pre-season game. 2) Losing to Daniel Jones at home in the playoffs.

@"supafreak84" said:

@"MaroonBells" said:

@"supafreak84" said:

@"StickyBun" said: I remember last year at this time, some board members had angst about not winning any of the preseason games and were starting to shit on the regime already, lol. 13 wins later.....still shitting on the new regime!  :p

Oh wow, it's the 13 win argument again....yawn

Yes, leave it to the Vikings to become the first team in sports history for whom wins and losses can not be used as a worthwhile metric to evaluate the team.

Yes and most of us are using the LOSS in the game that mattered most as the worthwhile metric for evaluation. 

@"FLVike" said:

This would be a more appropriate question; What is more embarrassing,1) Not winning a pre-season game. 2) Losing to Daniel Jones at home in the playoffs.

@"MaroonBells" said:

@"FLVike" said:

This would be a more appropriate question; What is more embarrassing,1) Not winning a pre-season game. 2) Losing to Daniel Jones at home in the playoffs.

Daniel Jones is a good QB. I didn't think so at first, but he showed me a lot last year. I think he's going to breakout a little this year. 

Well, when you enter the playoffs with the 31st ranked defense in most metrics that is somewhat of a fluke.

I was not shocked or embarrassed when we lost to the Giants in the playoffs at home.  We were not contenders, and I had the Giants and Vikings as the two worst teams to make the playoffs.  We proved at home to be the worst.  

Our offense is loaded (except G) and the defense has to improve from 31st, right?  

I think this is an 8-10 win team so will settle on 9.  Not sure if that makes the playoffs or not?