49ers name Darnold #2, pursuing options with Lance

Update from 49ers camp: Lance is not practicing right now, not on the field. Who knows but that's what they usually do when someone is about to be traded. 

Hall was supposedly going to get quite the extended play time on Saturday...If the Vikings were to do something, I doubt it would be prior to that. 

I think Supa hit the nail on the head; do they think Lance has higher ceiling than Hall?  Or not? 

Then of course you have the contract issue that @RF54 pointed out. I think Lance to Vikings is a huge long-shot. 

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"supafreak84" said:

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"supafreak84" said: I was listening to NFL Radio and they were discussing Lance and the 49ers offense just being a bad fit for him. Shannahans offense is thought to be "QB friendly" but you really need a guy who can diagnose the defense and get the ball out accurately from the pocket. I don't think Lance really gets to utilize his best traits, which are his athleticism, rolling out of the pocket, etc. He needs reps. Played only a handful of games in college, basically sat as a rookie behind Garopollo, injured for the year game one last season, and has essentially been splitting the reps this offseason. Maybe it's simply a case of him needing to play more and be in an offense more tailored to the things he does well. He is still young and the Vikings should consider kicking those tires 

I can see them putting Darnold ahead of Lance for this year,  they are a NFC favorite so you want a veteran back up plan,  but that doesnt explain why they would be moving on from him as the jury is still out on Purdy,  and they could only get better offers if they hung onto him and he did mature a bit,  maybe its a cap space thing,  but even then,  why would anybody take him on if his rookie deal was to much for the team that knows him best?

I am still not seeing an upside of him or the contract.   grab him in FA,  make him part of a package that nets us future picks for Cousins and a player we were going to cut anyway,  but I dont see giving up draft picks for others trash.

I think they are sold on Purdy being "the guy" moving forward. Lynch said he was their starter and had earned it shortly after their season ended. I can't see him doing that if he felt the jury was still out on Purdy or that the injury would hinder him going forward. And it's like I was stating above, Purdy is tailer-made for the Shannahan offense. It's also why Shannahan wanted Mac Jones but was overruled by Lynch. I don't think it was ever a fit that was going to work. 

As for the Vikings, we don't have a plan at QB moving forward so this could be an option 

I dont see it as a viable one though.  We need to focus on a qbotf,  not trying to make somebody else's cast offs work for us.  You got precision route runners,  you need precision passers to take advantage of that,  I never was impressed with Lance's arm in that regards and honestly,  its nothing special to throw hard or long,  its doing those things accurately that is the key to arm talent.

Ancient Chinese proverb:  He who picks up the 49er's flaming hot garbage gets his hands burned.

No way should we trade for a guy thats going to make great money the nect 2 years. Not unless SF will eat most his salary. 

@"Chuckf" said:

@"StickyBun" said: It's official. What a colossally bad trade up they made for Trey Lance. Horrible. Purdy seems to have saved them, but let's not count those chickens yet. 

Yeah you can.  The kid played at a high level consistently for 3 years in the Big 12.   Will he be a Tom Brady?  Who knows but he is worlds above Lance or Darnold at this time.  He is a LOT more athletic than you think, he ran the RPO at ISU at times and was extremely good running the football.

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/38245942/source-49ers-mull-options-trey-lance-loses-qb2-battle

Yes, we love Trey so much and believe he'll be a good QB that we have him as our #3 coming into his 3rd year in the NFL, lol. I know, its coach speak and franchise talk, but why even bother? Its such hot air horseshit. If they cut him outright, he'll count over $14 MM as a dead cap hit, yikes. My guess is he'll hang on the roster for 2023. Who's going to trade for him and pick up his contract? NOBODY, not without concessions from the 49ers/Lance. Minnesota has too much young talent to pay to mess around picking up this bust's contract.

@"supafreak84" said:

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"supafreak84" said:

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"supafreak84" said: I was listening to NFL Radio and they were discussing Lance and the 49ers offense just being a bad fit for him. Shannahans offense is thought to be "QB friendly" but you really need a guy who can diagnose the defense and get the ball out accurately from the pocket. I don't think Lance really gets to utilize his best traits, which are his athleticism, rolling out of the pocket, etc. He needs reps. Played only a handful of games in college, basically sat as a rookie behind Garopollo, injured for the year game one last season, and has essentially been splitting the reps this offseason. Maybe it's simply a case of him needing to play more and be in an offense more tailored to the things he does well. He is still young and the Vikings should consider kicking those tires 

I can see them putting Darnold ahead of Lance for this year,  they are a NFC favorite so you want a veteran back up plan,  but that doesnt explain why they would be moving on from him as the jury is still out on Purdy,  and they could only get better offers if they hung onto him and he did mature a bit,  maybe its a cap space thing,  but even then,  why would anybody take him on if his rookie deal was to much for the team that knows him best?

I am still not seeing an upside of him or the contract.   grab him in FA,  make him part of a package that nets us future picks for Cousins and a player we were going to cut anyway,  but I dont see giving up draft picks for others trash.

I think they are sold on Purdy being "the guy" moving forward. Lynch said he was their starter and had earned it shortly after their season ended. I can't see him doing that if he felt the jury was still out on Purdy or that the injury would hinder him going forward. And it's like I was stating above, Purdy is tailer-made for the Shannahan offense. It's also why Shannahan wanted Mac Jones but was overruled by Lynch. I don't think it was ever a fit that was going to work. 

As for the Vikings, we don't have a plan at QB moving forward so this could be an option 

I dont see it as a viable one though.  We need to focus on a qbotf,  not trying to make somebody else's cast offs work for us.  You got precision route runners,  you need precision passers to take advantage of that,  I never was impressed with Lance's arm in that regards and honestly,  its nothing special to throw hard or long,  its doing those things accurately that is the key to arm talent.

My fear is we once again will be juuust good enough to put us out of play when it comes to the draft and getting our QBOTF. To me, it would make sense to protect ourselves and trade for a young, high upside QB maybe just needing a change of scenery, just in case. Then at the least you have a prospect to work with. I wanted the Vikings to jump on Zac Wilson for that very reason. Lance would be a similar option IMO.

According to one media source, the Vikings are the #1 most likely destination for Lance. I can see why they say that, but it's a fool's errand if you ask me. At various points along the way, you could make an argument that Lance might be worth taking a flyer on. But no longer.

Lance isn't a rookie. This is his 3rd season in the NFL. He's completely healthy, and he's played in the same offense all three years. A team with a million reasons to want him to succeed has just given up on him.

What's more, bringing him to Minnesota basically means giving up on Jaren Hall. I just don't think you can make an argument that Lance has shown more promise than even our 5th round rookie. 

It feels like a Kwesi thing to do, taking another teams highly
rated castoff and hoping for that player to blossom and be a cheap but
productive player.  Is this his contract
#’s for the trading team?  2023:  $940k (if they paid his training camp roster
bonus or $3.7M if we do)  2024:  $5.3M

I just struggle with the same challenges everyone above
listed out.  If he showed any real
promise of not being a bust, I think they’d keep him and let his value build.  But it really comes down to whether you think
Hall can develop more over 4 years than Lance can over 2.  I guess there’s another option which would be
to roll with Cousins, Hall, and Lance, and then if Cousins goes down with a big
injury hit the FA market for a vet QB or tank for better draft picks.

@"StickyBun" said:

@"Chuckf" said:

@"StickyBun" said: It's official. What a colossally bad trade up they made for Trey Lance. Horrible. Purdy seems to have saved them, but let's not count those chickens yet. 

Yeah you can.  The kid played at a high level consistently for 3 years in the Big 12.   Will he be a Tom Brady?  Who knows but he is worlds above Lance or Darnold at this time.  He is a LOT more athletic than you think, he ran the RPO at ISU at times and was extremely good running the football.

I don't trust anyone after only 1 year. And neither should you. 

Mike Silver noting that the 49ers couldn't even get someone to give them a 5th for Lance... excuse me, Awesome NFL Prospect Trey Lance!

Because they didn't even get offered a 5 https://t.co/RmIbjsBovn

— Michael Silver (@MikeSilver) August 23, 2023

So if Shanahan’s offense is so QB friendly, how come they all keep getting hurt?  

@"Chuckf" said:

@"StickyBun" said:

@"Chuckf" said:

@"StickyBun" said: It's official. What a colossally bad trade up they made for Trey Lance. Horrible. Purdy seems to have saved them, but let's not count those chickens yet. 

Yeah you can.  The kid played at a high level consistently for 3 years in the Big 12.   Will he be a Tom Brady?  Who knows but he is worlds above Lance or Darnold at this time.  He is a LOT more athletic than you think, he ran the RPO at ISU at times and was extremely good running the football.

I don't trust anyone after only 1 year. And neither should you. 

Big difference Sticky, while I agree with you one year does not a career make, BUT, Purdy LOVES the game, Matt Kalil didn't.   Purdy beat Oregon in a New Years day bowl at IOWA STATE!!  He played Clemson to a 20-13 loss at IOWA STATE.   Extremely high football I.Q. and character guy.   

@"StickyBun" said:

@"Chuckf" said:

@"StickyBun" said:

@"Chuckf" said:

@"StickyBun" said:
It's official. What a colossally bad trade up they made for Trey Lance. Horrible. Purdy seems to have saved them, but let's not count those chickens yet. 

Yeah you can.  The kid played at a high level consistently for 3 years in the Big 12.   Will he be a Tom Brady?  Who knows but he is worlds above Lance or Darnold at this time.  He is a LOT more athletic than you think, he ran the RPO at ISU at times and was extremely good running the football.

I don't trust anyone after only 1 year. And neither should you. 

Big difference Sticky, while I agree with you one year does not a career make, BUT, Purdy LOVES the game, Matt Kalil didn't.   Purdy beat Oregon in a New Years day bowl at IOWA STATE!!  He played Clemson to a 20-13 loss at IOWA STATE.   Extremely high football I.Q. and character guy.   

I'm rooting for a guy like Purdy, from what I've read a great kid. And he for sure had a nice career in college, no doubt about it. But Year 2 for a QB is always much tougher, just ask Mac Jones. 

@"medaille" said: @"StickyBun" said:

@"Chuckf" said:

@"StickyBun" said:

@"Chuckf" said:

@"StickyBun" said: It's official. What a colossally bad trade up they made for Trey Lance. Horrible. Purdy seems to have saved them, but let's not count those chickens yet. 

Yeah you can.  The kid played at a high level consistently for 3 years in the Big 12.   Will he be a Tom Brady?  Who knows but he is worlds above Lance or Darnold at this time.  He is a LOT more athletic than you think, he ran the RPO at ISU at times and was extremely good running the football.

I don't trust anyone after only 1 year. And neither should you. 

Big difference Sticky, while I agree with you one year does not a career make, BUT, Purdy LOVES the game, Matt Kalil didn't.   Purdy beat Oregon in a New Years day bowl at IOWA STATE!!  He played Clemson to a 20-13 loss at IOWA STATE.   Extremely high football I.Q. and character guy.   

I'm rooting for a guy like Purdy, from what I've read a great kid. And he for sure had a nice career in college, no doubt about it. But Year 2 for a QB is always much tougher, just ask Mac Jones. 

I like Purdy and I like what the 49ers are doing, but mostly
I think they’ve had enough success and am hoping that they’re on the outside
looking in for a while.

@"MaroonBells" said:

@"medaille" said: @"StickyBun" said:

@"Chuckf" said:

@"StickyBun" said:

@"Chuckf" said:

@"StickyBun" said: It's official. What a colossally bad trade up they made for Trey Lance. Horrible. Purdy seems to have saved them, but let's not count those chickens yet. 

Yeah you can.  The kid played at a high level consistently for 3 years in the Big 12.   Will he be a Tom Brady?  Who knows but he is worlds above Lance or Darnold at this time.  He is a LOT more athletic than you think, he ran the RPO at ISU at times and was extremely good running the football.

I don't trust anyone after only 1 year. And neither should you. 

Big difference Sticky, while I agree with you one year does not a career make, BUT, Purdy LOVES the game, Matt Kalil didn't.   Purdy beat Oregon in a New Years day bowl at IOWA STATE!!  He played Clemson to a 20-13 loss at IOWA STATE.   Extremely high football I.Q. and character guy.   

I'm rooting for a guy like Purdy, from what I've read a great kid. And he for sure had a nice career in college, no doubt about it. But Year 2 for a QB is always much tougher, just ask Mac Jones. 

I like Purdy and I like what the 49ers are doing, but mostly
I think they’ve had enough success and am hoping that they’re on the outside
looking in for a while.

That would be nice. But if Purdy can repeat what he did last year, and I'm not yet convinced of that, the 49ers have to be a big favorite in the NFC along with the Eagles. 

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"MaroonBells" said:

@"medaille" said: @"StickyBun" said:

@"Chuckf" said:

@"StickyBun" said:

@"Chuckf" said:

@"StickyBun" said: It's official. What a colossally bad trade up they made for Trey Lance. Horrible. Purdy seems to have saved them, but let's not count those chickens yet. 

Yeah you can.  The kid played at a high level consistently for 3 years in the Big 12.   Will he be a Tom Brady?  Who knows but he is worlds above Lance or Darnold at this time.  He is a LOT more athletic than you think, he ran the RPO at ISU at times and was extremely good running the football.

I don't trust anyone after only 1 year. And neither should you. 

Big difference Sticky, while I agree with you one year does not a career make, BUT, Purdy LOVES the game, Matt Kalil didn't.   Purdy beat Oregon in a New Years day bowl at IOWA STATE!!  He played Clemson to a 20-13 loss at IOWA STATE.   Extremely high football I.Q. and character guy.   

I'm rooting for a guy like Purdy, from what I've read a great kid. And he for sure had a nice career in college, no doubt about it. But Year 2 for a QB is always much tougher, just ask Mac Jones. 

I like Purdy and I like what the 49ers are doing, but mostly
I think they’ve had enough success and am hoping that they’re on the outside
looking in for a while.

That would be nice. But if Purdy can repeat what he did last year, and I'm not yet convinced of that, the 49ers have to be a big favorite in the NFC along with the Eagles. 

aside from the injury bug,  the only thing likely holding them back would be QB play.

Lance to Dallas for a 4th round pick

@"supafreak84" said: Lance to Dallas for a 4th round pick