Minnesota Vikings roster

Careful now Sticky, you don't want to be accused of being negative. Nobody wants to hear it unless you think this team is winning 12 games and going to the Super Bowl...

Reality is this is a paper thin roster lacking depth almost everywhere. Secondary, offensive line, defensive line, and arguments could be made for other positional groups..

@"supafreak84" said: Careful now Sticky, you don't want to be accused of being negative. Nobody wants to hear it unless you think this team is winning 12 games and going to the Super Bowl...

Reality is this is a paper thin roster lacking depth almost everywhere. Secondary, offensive line, defensive line, and arguments could be made for other positional groups..

I am not thrilled with our starting front 7 (mainly the front 3 and the two LB'ers) and think we will be heavily run on.  

In reverse of that, our interior OFF line has to improve in both run and pass protection and I have my doubts that they will improve by that much.  Cleveland and Bradford are who they are at this point and Ingram going into his second season everyone expects a big jump but it is a jump from literally the bottom on NFL Guards.

I also see around 9 wins (with a window between 7-10 wins)

All fair takes I’d say.

Run game- we downgraded at RB and didn’t improve the line. Josh Oliver would have to be out of this world in order for our already suspect run game to imrpove. Likely downgrade.

Front 7- Suspect at best.

Secondary- See front 7.

OL- slight improvement hopefully but a big question mark.

Passing game- Should improve with Addison plus a more comfortable Kirk and Hockenson. TE and WR rooms looks solid.

Kicking- Hopefully Joseph can be even better this year.

ST- who knows.

Basically, for the Vikings to win games I think we’ll have to throw a ton and be efficient doing it. A lot will fall on Kirk’s shoulders this year. I do think he’s up to the challenge but it’s going to absolutely be a challenge. 

Regardless, a good passing offense should make for a lot of fun this season. I don’t think a Super Bowl is on the menu for this year so a fun ride is what I’m hoping for. Oh, and beat the Packers. 

I don’t think this is a SB team. It seems with us deciding not to extend Cousins that we’re reloading. 

You can’t find out who our new stars are going to be without them playing. 

@"supafreak84" said: Careful now Sticky, you don't want to be accused of being negative. Nobody wants to hear it unless you think this team is winning 12 games and going to the Super Bowl...

Reality is this is a paper thin roster lacking depth almost everywhere. Secondary, offensive line, defensive line, and arguments could be made for other positional groups..

There are still holes which is to be expected when you have to clear cap and start over with young guys. There is both positive and negative. You can be reasonable and realistic and still see reasons for optimism.

On paper, the Lions are the superior team. X and O’s I think we have a marked advantage with KOC and BFlo.  

I see a .500 team as a floor with a decent chance to be 9-10 wins or better that should contend in this division. 

Our offense is going to score enough  points to win most NFL games,  there is no doubt.   It may come down to how many big plays our d gives up, but my money is on BFlo to make this d competitive.  I predict 10 wins or more for this club. 

Last year Cousins had an amazing year and was incredibly clutch in the big moments which I think was a major part of our success, along with the playmakers he had in JJ, Cook, Thielen and then TJ.  I think the team is really underestimating what Cook meant to the team and the leadership that Thielen provided.  Those are big losses that combined with the incredible lack of depth on this team are going to be hard to overcome.  

After 47 years my negativity has reached an all-time high so I won't add any more to this thread.

@"MaroonBells" said:

@"supafreak84" said: Careful now Sticky, you don't want to be accused of being negative. Nobody wants to hear it unless you think this team is winning 12 games and going to the Super Bowl...

Reality is this is a paper thin roster lacking depth almost everywhere. Secondary, offensive line, defensive line, and arguments could be made for other positional groups..

Supa, you wanna know the difference? Like most of us, Sticky calls out both the positives and the negatives as he sees them. Whether it's about ownership, the GM, the QB, the coaching staff, the draft....when nearly 100% of your posts are negative, it's hard to take you seriously. You come across as a crank with an agenda. 

@"supafreak84" said:

@"MaroonBells" said:

@"supafreak84" said: Careful now Sticky, you don't want to be accused of being negative. Nobody wants to hear it unless you think this team is winning 12 games and going to the Super Bowl...

Reality is this is a paper thin roster lacking depth almost everywhere. Secondary, offensive line, defensive line, and arguments could be made for other positional groups..

Supa, you wanna know the difference? Like most of us, Sticky calls out both the positives and the negatives as he sees them. Whether it's about ownership, the GM, the QB, the coaching staff, the draft....when nearly 100% of your posts are negative, it's hard to take you seriously. You come across as a crank with an agenda. 

This from the guy who just tried to sell us Lewis Cine as having super star potential in another post. You are literally the king of blowing smoke up everyone's asses on any and every player, roster move, and front office member in the organization. You aren't objectionable, you're a homer...so I'll take what you say with a grain of salt. My agenda is I want to see this team get to a Super Bowl and think they've done everything ass backwards since the day they let Rick Spielman walk out the door. Kwesi hasn't shown anything in the way of roster moves or identifying talent. That's not an agenda, that's just fact...and his shortcomings in those areas are WHY we are lacking roster depth and continuing to tinker by signing XFL players and street free agents.

@"supafreak84" said:

@"MaroonBells" said:

@"supafreak84" said: Careful now Sticky, you don't want to be accused of being negative. Nobody wants to hear it unless you think this team is winning 12 games and going to the Super Bowl...

Reality is this is a paper thin roster lacking depth almost everywhere. Secondary, offensive line, defensive line, and arguments could be made for other positional groups..

Supa, you wanna know the difference? Like most of us, Sticky calls out both the positives and the negatives as he sees them. Whether it's about ownership, the GM, the QB, the coaching staff, the draft....when nearly 100% of your posts are negative, it's hard to take you seriously. You come across as a crank with an agenda. 

This from the guy who just tried to sell us Lewis Cine as having super star potential in another post. You are literally the king of blowing smoke up everyone's asses on any and every player, roster move, and front office member in the organization. You aren't objectionable, you're a homer...so I'll take what you say with a grain of salt. My agenda is I want to see this team get to a Super Bowl and think they've done everything ass backwards since the day they let Rick Spielman walk out the door. Kwesi hasn't shown anything in the way of roster moves or identifying talent. That's not an agenda, that's just fact...and his shortcomings in those areas are WHY we are lacking roster depth and continuing to tinker by signing XFL players and street free agents.

@"MaroonBells" said:

@"supafreak84" said:

@"MaroonBells" said:

@"supafreak84" said: Careful now Sticky, you don't want to be accused of being negative. Nobody wants to hear it unless you think this team is winning 12 games and going to the Super Bowl...

Reality is this is a paper thin roster lacking depth almost everywhere. Secondary, offensive line, defensive line, and arguments could be made for other positional groups..

Supa, you wanna know the difference? Like most of us, Sticky calls out both the positives and the negatives as he sees them. Whether it's about ownership, the GM, the QB, the coaching staff, the draft....when nearly 100% of your posts are negative, it's hard to take you seriously. You come across as a crank with an agenda. 

This from the guy who just tried to sell us Lewis Cine as having super star potential in another post. You are literally the king of blowing smoke up everyone's asses on any and every player, roster move, and front office member in the organization. You aren't objectionable, you're a homer...so I'll take what you say with a grain of salt. My agenda is I want to see this team get to a Super Bowl and think they've done everything ass backwards since the day they let Rick Spielman walk out the door. Kwesi hasn't shown anything in the way of roster moves or identifying talent. That's not an agenda, that's just fact...and his shortcomings in those areas are WHY we are lacking roster depth and continuing to tinker by signing XFL players and street free agents.

You're so twisted by negativity you can't even see straight. Read again what I said about Cine...in several posts. Feel free to repost here. Go ahead. And if you still think it's blowing smoke up up people's asses then your judgement and perception of reality is so far out of whack, you should probably sit down before you fall over. 

@"supafreak84" said:

@"MaroonBells" said:

@"supafreak84" said:

@"MaroonBells" said:

@"supafreak84" said: Careful now Sticky, you don't want to be accused of being negative. Nobody wants to hear it unless you think this team is winning 12 games and going to the Super Bowl...

Reality is this is a paper thin roster lacking depth almost everywhere. Secondary, offensive line, defensive line, and arguments could be made for other positional groups..

Supa, you wanna know the difference? Like most of us, Sticky calls out both the positives and the negatives as he sees them. Whether it's about ownership, the GM, the QB, the coaching staff, the draft....when nearly 100% of your posts are negative, it's hard to take you seriously. You come across as a crank with an agenda. 

This from the guy who just tried to sell us Lewis Cine as having super star potential in another post. You are literally the king of blowing smoke up everyone's asses on any and every player, roster move, and front office member in the organization. You aren't objectionable, you're a homer...so I'll take what you say with a grain of salt. My agenda is I want to see this team get to a Super Bowl and think they've done everything ass backwards since the day they let Rick Spielman walk out the door. Kwesi hasn't shown anything in the way of roster moves or identifying talent. That's not an agenda, that's just fact...and his shortcomings in those areas are WHY we are lacking roster depth and continuing to tinker by signing XFL players and street free agents.

You're so twisted by negativity you can't even see straight. Read again what I said about Cine...in several posts. Feel free to repost here. Go ahead. And if you still think it's blowing smoke up up people's asses then your judgement and perception of reality is so far out of whack, you should probably sit down before you fall over. 

Twisted by negativity!? Lol. I give an honest assessment and reasoning as to why I think we are in for a down year and people lose their minds. You on the other hand are trying to sell Cine (if he can tackle) and Asamoah as stars. You are entitled to your opinions but understand you look like a soap boxer routinely blowing purple smoke up people's asses.

Tell you what Maroon, I'll buy you a steak dinner when Cine and Asamoah become pro bowlers. If not, you can buy me one. Deal? 

@"MaroonBells" said:

@"supafreak84" said:

@"MaroonBells" said:

@"supafreak84" said:

@"MaroonBells" said:

@"supafreak84" said: Careful now Sticky, you don't want to be accused of being negative. Nobody wants to hear it unless you think this team is winning 12 games and going to the Super Bowl...

Reality is this is a paper thin roster lacking depth almost everywhere. Secondary, offensive line, defensive line, and arguments could be made for other positional groups..

Supa, you wanna know the difference? Like most of us, Sticky calls out both the positives and the negatives as he sees them. Whether it's about ownership, the GM, the QB, the coaching staff, the draft....when nearly 100% of your posts are negative, it's hard to take you seriously. You come across as a crank with an agenda. 

This from the guy who just tried to sell us Lewis Cine as having super star potential in another post. You are literally the king of blowing smoke up everyone's asses on any and every player, roster move, and front office member in the organization. You aren't objectionable, you're a homer...so I'll take what you say with a grain of salt. My agenda is I want to see this team get to a Super Bowl and think they've done everything ass backwards since the day they let Rick Spielman walk out the door. Kwesi hasn't shown anything in the way of roster moves or identifying talent. That's not an agenda, that's just fact...and his shortcomings in those areas are WHY we are lacking roster depth and continuing to tinker by signing XFL players and street free agents.

You're so twisted by negativity you can't even see straight. Read again what I said about Cine...in several posts. Feel free to repost here. Go ahead. And if you still think it's blowing smoke up up people's asses then your judgement and perception of reality is so far out of whack, you should probably sit down before you fall over. 

Twisted by negativity!? Lol. I give an honest assessment and reasoning as to why I think we are in for a down year and people lose their minds. You on the other hand are trying to sell Cine (if he can tackle) and Asamoah as stars. You are entitled to your opinions but understand you look like a soap boxer routinely blowing purple smoke up people's asses.

Tell you what Maroon, I'll buy you a steak dinner when Cine and Asamoah become pro bowlers. If not, you can buy me one. Deal? 

Look, Cine is a perfect example of what I'm talking about. As you know, but just continue to ignore, is that Cine has had good plays and bad. I mention both, because i don't have an agenda. You mention only the bad. Given that fact, you shouldn't expect to be taken seriously. 

@"Greylock" said:

@"supafreak84" said:

@"MaroonBells" said:

@"supafreak84" said: Careful now Sticky, you don't want to be accused of being negative. Nobody wants to hear it unless you think this team is winning 12 games and going to the Super Bowl...

Reality is this is a paper thin roster lacking depth almost everywhere. Secondary, offensive line, defensive line, and arguments could be made for other positional groups..

Supa, you wanna know the difference? Like most of us, Sticky calls out both the positives and the negatives as he sees them. Whether it's about ownership, the GM, the QB, the coaching staff, the draft....when nearly 100% of your posts are negative, it's hard to take you seriously. You come across as a crank with an agenda. 

This from the guy who just tried to sell us Lewis Cine as having super star potential in another post. You are literally the king of blowing smoke up everyone's asses on any and every player, roster move, and front office member in the organization. You aren't objectionable, you're a homer...so I'll take what you say with a grain of salt. My agenda is I want to see this team get to a Super Bowl and think they've done everything ass backwards since the day they let Rick Spielman walk out the door. Kwesi hasn't shown anything in the way of roster moves or identifying talent. That's not an agenda, that's just fact...and his shortcomings in those areas are WHY we are lacking roster depth and continuing to tinker by signing XFL players and street free agents.

Oh the great Rick Spielman and his outstanding drafts.

2019
1st round     Garrett Bradbury
2nd round    Irv Smith Jr
4th round    Dru Samia
5th round    Cameron Smith
6th round     Armon Watts

2018
1st round    Mike Hughes
4th round    Jalyn Holmes
6th round    Colby Gossett

2017
3rd round     Pat Elfein
4th round      Ben Gedeon

I think the picture is pretty clear that the draft is a crap shoot at best and the almighty Rick Spielman didn't do shit to help the team win a Super Bowl.  In fact other than his obsession of having 10 picks every draft and his love of players drafted in the 7th round he wasn't worth a shit and probably why he hasn't gotten another job.  Kwesi may take awhile to build this team but he certainly isn't going to be any worse than Spielman. 

@"Greylock" said: Oh the great Rick Spielman and his outstanding drafts. 2019 1st round     Garrett Bradbury 2nd round    Irv Smith Jr 4th round    Dru Samia 5th round    Cameron Smith 6th round     Armon Watts

2018
1st round    Mike Hughes
4th round    Jalyn Holmes
6th round    Colby Gossett

2017
3rd round     Pat Elfein
4th round      Ben Gedeon

I think the picture is pretty clear that the draft is a crap shoot at best and the almighty Rick Spielman didn't do shit to help the team win a Super Bowl.  In fact other than his obsession of having 10 picks every draft and his love of players drafted in the 7th round he wasn't worth a shit and probably why he hasn't gotten another job.  Kwesi may take awhile to build this team but he certainly isn't going to be any worse than Spielman. 

@"JR44" said:

@"Greylock" said: Oh the great Rick Spielman and his outstanding drafts. 2019 1st round     Garrett Bradbury 2nd round    Irv Smith Jr 4th round    Dru Samia 5th round    Cameron Smith 6th round     Armon Watts

2018
1st round    Mike Hughes
4th round    Jalyn Holmes
6th round    Colby Gossett

2017
3rd round     Pat Elfein
4th round      Ben Gedeon

I think the picture is pretty clear that the draft is a crap shoot at best and the almighty Rick Spielman didn't do shit to help the team win a Super Bowl.  In fact other than his obsession of having 10 picks every draft and his love of players drafted in the 7th round he wasn't worth a shit and probably why he hasn't gotten another job.  Kwesi may take awhile to build this team but he certainly isn't going to be any worse than Spielman. 

So let's look at what you conveniently omitted - 2017 he traded up to get Dalvin, 2018 got our bookend OT O'Neil in the 2nd, a solid TE Conklin in the 5th and one of the best kickers in the NFL in Carlson in the 6th and in 2019 our current starting RB in the 3rd.  Followed that up in 2020 the 2nd top player in league in JJ and Osborne in the 5th and 2021 picked up one of best LTs in the league in Darrisaw and our starting safety in the 4th.  And yes this team is in much worse hands with Kwesi.  

I get the trepidation with some of our depth issues at certain spots (CB, DL, pass rush, IOL) but we still have a great offense that should be even better in Year 2 of KOC's tenure.

People also gloss over how much better we were situationally last season compared to our prior two years under Zimmer.  That's all from our new HC and should still be a strength of this team this season.

In today's NFL offense is king and we'll have one that can score with the best of em. The defense was our Achilles heel as the season went on and we morphed from a big play artist (got a lot of turnovers) that gave up yards to just soft coverage.  The thing is we hired a great defensive mind in Flores who should be able to scheme a pass rush with his exotic blitz packages.  I think fans are underrating the impact he'll have on our defense.

I think our floor is 9 wins with O'Connell and our offensive playmakers and we could get 12-13 wins if the defense improves to league average in yards/points allowed with some sizzle (sacks and turnovers).