Per Rapoport: Vikings taking trade calls on Hunter
Apparently teams like his low cap hit and know he desires a pay raise on a long term deal. Been described as "serious trade interest."
If the Vikings deal Cook and Hunter... might as well start the blowup with Cousins being next
@"PurpleCrush" said: Contract Talks Hit Impasse but Vikings Have No Plans to Trade Danielle Hunterhttps://www.minnesotasportsfan.com/contract-talks-slow-vikings-no-plans-to-trade-danielle-hunter/“I have a very, very very very strong sense that leakage did not come from TCO performance center. It did not come from the Vikings. So we’re looking at either some other team that is hoping putting this out there required with a VIKINGS if they’re hoping this can push trade talks forward or it was Danielle‘s representation not happy with where new contract talks stand. The Vikings have had every intention, going back many many weeks, to have Danielle Hunter in purple in 2023, fully knowing that his current base salary just doesn’t float his boat. That they need to take care of him financially to get him some sort of spike up, right? But, you know, to me… this is a signal that Danielle‘s camp is not real happy with where those contract talks stand. But until I hear otherwise, I don’t think a trade is on the cusp, is imminent. Maybe we get to that point eventually, but I’m just telling you, the Vikings have every intention — right now as we sit here on June 8 — the Vikings want Danielle Hunter in purple.”
Darren Wolfson on Minnesota Sports with Mackey & Judd
Best indication yet that they might very well trade him. Minute a team says one thing, think the opposite. Remember all the recent discussions that the Vikes might keep Cook? If they trade Hunter, it is to position themselves to trade up for a top QB next draft. It would also be a sell high situation.
It has been interesting and challenging, trying to read the tea leaves and bread crumb trails and figure what the Vikings are doing. What is the plan? Is there a plan?
Ever since they chose to not extend Cousins and begin clearing some cap space, I felt they were beginning the process of finding their QB of the future.
I agree when you you say, "If they trade Hunter, it is to position themselves to trade up for a top QB next draft."
Hunter has a contract that should allow Kwesi to get some more draft capital towards that end, in a trade.
A Hunter trade could be the next bread crumb along that trail.
@"jargomcfargo" said: It has been interesting and challenging, trying to read the tea leaves and bread crumb trails and figure what the Vikings are doing. What is the plan? Is there a plan? Ever since they chose to not extend Cousins and begin clearing some cap space, I felt they were beginning the process of finding their QB of the future. I agree when you you say, "If they trade Hunter, it is to position themselves to trade up for a top QB next draft." Hunter has a contract that should allow Kwesi to get some more draft capital towards that end, in a trade. A Hunter trade could be the next bread crumb along that trail.I know Right? They are not sharing their plans obvi, they are telling us by the moves they are and are not making. Drives some nuts they wont come out and say it lol
@"Akvike" said: because trading Kirk means JJ will be suiting up for someone else---he aint signing on for Qb roulette while they figure it out.he will sign on if the money is right, if its not he wont, he knows his career is not dependent on Cousins and that his career will likely out last Cousins. Its in JJs best interest for the team to find that QBOTF sooner than later as that will give them more time together in their primes to accomplish things as a team. nothing says it has to be a roulette just because they let Cousins walk after next year.
@"Akvike" said: because trading Kirk means JJ will be suiting up for someone else---he aint signing on for Qb roulette while they figure it out.No it doesn't. Cousins will be 35 before the start of the season and it's anybody guess on when/if he takes a Matt Ryan-esque nose dive in production. The early indications are Kwesi is not willing to tie up money on a big extension and take that risk. So JJ needs to get used to the idea that Cousins won't be here long term and he will have to trust in the front office to put the right pieces in place around him, including a long term QB. We are going to make him the highest paid position player in football and he won't be going anywhere regardless if we dropped Cousins tomorrow. I think that's one of the biggest bullshit lines being tossed around this forum that if the Vikings move on from Cousins it will piss JJ off and he will leave. Not happening
@"supafreak84" said:Yes Jefferson knows he'll play the bulk of his career with a different QB. This QB will likely be a high pick in next year's draft.@"Akvike" said: because trading Kirk means JJ will be suiting up for someone else---he aint signing on for Qb roulette while they figure it out. No it doesn't. Cousins will be 35 before the start of the season and it's anybody guess on when/if he takes a Matt Ryan-esque nose dive in production. The early indications are Kwesi is not willing to tie up money on a big extension and take that risk. So JJ needs to get used to the idea that Cousins won't be here long term and he will have to trust in the front office to put the right pieces in place around him, including a long term QB. We are going to make him the highest paid position player in football and he won't be going anywhere regardless if we dropped Cousins tomorrow. I think that's one of the biggest bullshit lines being tossed around this forum that if the Vikings move on from Cousins it will piss JJ off and he will leave. Not happeningBut if you think Jefferson, at the peak of contract negotiations, where he could sign or walk away at any point, just doesn't give a damn who his 2023 QB is, you're being ridiculously naive.
What's more, with training camp a couple weeks away, if you still think trading Cousins is even a remote possibility, you really are fooling yourself.
@"MaroonBells" said:@"supafreak84" said:Yes Jefferson knows he'll play the bulk of his career with a different QB. This QB will likely be a high pick in next year's draft.@"Akvike" said: because trading Kirk means JJ will be suiting up for someone else---he aint signing on for Qb roulette while they figure it out. No it doesn't. Cousins will be 35 before the start of the season and it's anybody guess on when/if he takes a Matt Ryan-esque nose dive in production. The early indications are Kwesi is not willing to tie up money on a big extension and take that risk. So JJ needs to get used to the idea that Cousins won't be here long term and he will have to trust in the front office to put the right pieces in place around him, including a long term QB. We are going to make him the highest paid position player in football and he won't be going anywhere regardless if we dropped Cousins tomorrow. I think that's one of the biggest bullshit lines being tossed around this forum that if the Vikings move on from Cousins it will piss JJ off and he will leave. Not happeningBut if you think Jefferson, at the peak of contract negotiations, where he could sign or walk away at any point, just doesn't give a damn who his 2023 QB is, you're being ridiculously naive.
What's more, with training camp a couple weeks away, if you still think trading Cousins is even a remote possibility, you really are fooling yourself.
I agree the likelihood is very very low, but people are so quick to dismiss the Niners due to what they gave up for Lance, well they are built to win now, and they arent exactly bare cupboard for next years draft. I would have to think that an offer that included their first as well as a few other picks ( or for the Lance fans, go ahead and throw him in to replace a later round pick ) would have to be considered.Projected Niners 2024 draft picks:
Round 1
Round 2
Round 3
Round 3 (Compensatory)
Round 3 (Compensatory)
Round 4
Round 5 (Compensatory)
Round 5 (Compensatory)
Round 6
Round 6 (Compensatory)
Round 7
We totally need to figure out how to snag all those Compensatory picks through minority hires.
@"AGRforever" said: We totally need to figure out how to snag all those Compensatory picks through minority hires.
load up your front office and coaching staff with high level minority candidates, then when they get hired to leadership positions with other clubs, cha ching. although improving on our draft picks would go a long way to improve those comp odds as well, unfortunately its the teams that draft good that can afford to let those players walk that net more comp picks, teams that are barely scraping by on their draft picks, or trading them away for questionable veteran additions that dont work out, or to move up in the draft end up not being rewarded and they are the teams that typically need more tickets for the lottery.
@"MaroonBells" said:@"supafreak84" said:Yes Jefferson knows he'll play the bulk of his career with a different QB. This QB will likely be a high pick in next year's draft.@"Akvike" said: because trading Kirk means JJ will be suiting up for someone else---he aint signing on for Qb roulette while they figure it out. No it doesn't. Cousins will be 35 before the start of the season and it's anybody guess on when/if he takes a Matt Ryan-esque nose dive in production. The early indications are Kwesi is not willing to tie up money on a big extension and take that risk. So JJ needs to get used to the idea that Cousins won't be here long term and he will have to trust in the front office to put the right pieces in place around him, including a long term QB. We are going to make him the highest paid position player in football and he won't be going anywhere regardless if we dropped Cousins tomorrow. I think that's one of the biggest bullshit lines being tossed around this forum that if the Vikings move on from Cousins it will piss JJ off and he will leave. Not happeningBut if you think Jefferson, at the peak of contract negotiations, where he could sign or walk away at any point, just doesn't give a damn who his 2023 QB is, you're being ridiculously naive.
What's more, with training camp a couple weeks away, if you still think trading Cousins is even a remote possibility, you really are fooling yourself.
The point was if they moved Hunter, and are signaling we aren't going to be competive this season (because that's what that move would be), then what's the point of keeping a 35 year old QB around who we don't want to pay, has some trade value, and is going into the last year of his deal? How does it not make all the sense in the world at that point to just trade him also? We free up future cap space, get draft picks in return AND much better draft positioning to increase the likelihood that we land an upper level QB in this next draft. I'd take a year of Cam Newton or the like off the street for all that to play out. Or just start Jaren Hall and let him sink or swim. You just have to sell Jefferson, Darrisaw, etc that they are the building blocks for which you are building the team around and they need to trust that the front office puts the right pieces around them moving forward and long term.With Jefferson, the Vikings can pay him more then any other team. We can franchise him and if he decides he doesn't want to play, we trade him for multiple first round draft picks. I don't see it going that route, but the Vikings would have options if it came to a game of hardball.
@"supafreak84" said:@"MaroonBells" said:@"supafreak84" said:Yes Jefferson knows he'll play the bulk of his career with a different QB. This QB will likely be a high pick in next year's draft.@"Akvike" said: because trading Kirk means JJ will be suiting up for someone else---he aint signing on for Qb roulette while they figure it out. No it doesn't. Cousins will be 35 before the start of the season and it's anybody guess on when/if he takes a Matt Ryan-esque nose dive in production. The early indications are Kwesi is not willing to tie up money on a big extension and take that risk. So JJ needs to get used to the idea that Cousins won't be here long term and he will have to trust in the front office to put the right pieces in place around him, including a long term QB. We are going to make him the highest paid position player in football and he won't be going anywhere regardless if we dropped Cousins tomorrow. I think that's one of the biggest bullshit lines being tossed around this forum that if the Vikings move on from Cousins it will piss JJ off and he will leave. Not happeningBut if you think Jefferson, at the peak of contract negotiations, where he could sign or walk away at any point, just doesn't give a damn who his 2023 QB is, you're being ridiculously naive.
What's more, with training camp a couple weeks away, if you still think trading Cousins is even a remote possibility, you really are fooling yourself.
The point was if they moved Hunter, and are signaling we aren't going to be competive this season (because that's what that move would be), then what's the point of keeping a 35 year old QB around who we don't want to pay, has some trade value, and is going into the last year of his deal? How does it not make all the sense in the world at that point to just trade him also? We free up future cap space, get draft picks in return AND much better draft positioning to increase the likelihood that we land an upper level QB in this next draft. I'd take a year of Cam Newton or the like off the street for all that to play out. Or just start Jaren Hall and let him sink or swim. You just have to sell Jefferson, Darrisaw, etc that they are the building blocks for which you are building the team around and they need to trust that the front office puts the right pieces around them moving forward and long term.With Jefferson, the Vikings can pay him more then any other team. We can franchise him and if he decides he doesn't want to play, we trade him for multiple first round draft picks. I don't see it going that route, but the Vikings would have options if it came to a game of hardball.
the biggest thing with JJ is the team still has him for 2 years, he would be foolish to fuck around and not sign a top money deal with the Vikings if they offered it to him this summer, regardless of who his QB is. Not doing so wouldnt be him betting that he keeps playing at this level for just one more season, but in fact 2 since they picked up his 5th year option, and then like you say they have that franchise tag, so does Kirk really mean that much to him that he would risk future earnings against injury be electing to play out his last 2 years or more?
$28, 500,000!!!!!! That is the dead cap hit we will take if we move on from Cousins in 2024. There is no way around that number. I don't see any way that Cousins is traded before the season starts. That's total nonsense despite the persistent rumors. The Wilf's would never sign off on that and they are the ones that are pushing the "Competitive Rebuild" on the fly agenda. I've said it before, Cousins is auditioning for his next contract with the Vikings which is a smart move by Kwesi. He is betting he can't reproduce the same magical season as last year and will be able to get Kirk for a 2-3 year deal with a better cap number. This also gives KOC and Kwesi time to draft or sign a FA replacement if Kirk decides to walk.
Hunter is a completely separate issue and I don't agree with all the stupid talking heads that want to tie Hunter's situation with getting rid of Kendricks, Peterson, Cook, Thielen, etc. as a sign we are tanking. Don't listen to Florio's propaganda. Hunter isn't going to play for $5 Million. Everyone knows that. The Vikings want to keep him but it will come down to money like it always does. I'm getting the feeling that Hunter's agents are trying to make up for signing a bad deal under Spielman so this could get a little ugly, especially if Hunter feels like he was mistreated. We already know he won't be at mandatory minicamp this week. Hopefully they can work out a fair deal to keep him but if his demands are too great the Vikings don't have to do anything. His contract for this year would toll if he refuses to play and sits out. If it gets that bad, then you can always pull the trigger on a good trade. I'm hoping with a Flores Coached Defense, that the Sum of it's parts is greater than individual Superstars. I'm also not sure how Hunter really fits in a 3-4 scheme as he already proved last year that he was having a lot of difficulty adapting to his new role and was pretty much invisible until the second half of the year. Lots to sort out. Ultimately Hunter might be more valuable to another Team where he is a better scheme fit than what the Vikings are willing to pay him, especially with extensions for JJ, TJ, Darrisaw, and potentially Cousins needing to be resolved.
@"TBro" said: $28, 500,000!!!!!! That is the dead cap hit we will take if we move on from Cousins in 2024. There is no way around that number. I don't see any way that Cousins is traded before the season starts. That's total nonsense despite the persistent rumors. The Wilf's would never sign off on that and they are the ones that are pushing the "Competitive Rebuild" on the fly agenda. I've said it before, Cousins is auditioning for his next contract with the Vikings which is a smart move by Kwesi. He is betting he can't reproduce the same magical season as last year and will be able to get Kirk for a 2-3 year deal with a better cap number. This also gives KOC and Kwesi time to draft or sign a FA replacement if Kirk decides to walk.Hunter is a completely separate issue and I don't agree with all the stupid talking heads that want to tie Hunter's situation with getting rid of Kendricks, Peterson, Cook, Thielen, etc. as a sign we are tanking. Don't listen to Florio's propaganda. Hunter isn't going to play for $5 Million. Everyone knows that. The Vikings want to keep him but it will come down to money like it always does. I'm getting the feeling that Hunter's agents are trying to make up for signing a bad deal under Spielman so this could get a little ugly, especially if Hunter feels like he was mistreated. We already know he won't be at mandatory minicamp this week. Hopefully they can work out a fair deal to keep him but if his demands are too great the Vikings don't have to do anything. His contract for this year would toll if he refuses to play and sits out. If it gets that bad, then you can always pull the trigger on a good trade. I'm hoping with a Flores Coached Defense, that the Sum of it's parts is greater than individual Superstars. I'm also not sure how Hunter really fits in a 3-4 scheme as he already proved last year that he was having a lot of difficulty adapting to his new role and was pretty much invisible until the second half of the year. Lots to sort out. Ultimately Hunter might be more valuable to another Team where he is a better scheme fit than what the Vikings are willing to pay him, especially with extensions for JJ, TJ, Darrisaw, and potentially Cousins needing to be resolved.
according to over the cap his hit "post june 1st" is only 10.25 million, with a 10 million cap savings, the rest of the pro rated cap money owed on the contract would affect next years cap since it post June 1st IIRC.
@"JimmyinSD" said:@"TBro" said: $28, 500,000!!!!!! That is the dead cap hit we will take if we move on from Cousins in 2024. There is no way around that number. I don't see any way that Cousins is traded before the season starts. That's total nonsense despite the persistent rumors. The Wilf's would never sign off on that and they are the ones that are pushing the "Competitive Rebuild" on the fly agenda. I've said it before, Cousins is auditioning for his next contract with the Vikings which is a smart move by Kwesi. He is betting he can't reproduce the same magical season as last year and will be able to get Kirk for a 2-3 year deal with a better cap number. This also gives KOC and Kwesi time to draft or sign a FA replacement if Kirk decides to walk.Hunter is a completely separate issue and I don't agree with all the stupid talking heads that want to tie Hunter's situation with getting rid of Kendricks, Peterson, Cook, Thielen, etc. as a sign we are tanking. Don't listen to Florio's propaganda. Hunter isn't going to play for $5 Million. Everyone knows that. The Vikings want to keep him but it will come down to money like it always does. I'm getting the feeling that Hunter's agents are trying to make up for signing a bad deal under Spielman so this could get a little ugly, especially if Hunter feels like he was mistreated. We already know he won't be at mandatory minicamp this week. Hopefully they can work out a fair deal to keep him but if his demands are too great the Vikings don't have to do anything. His contract for this year would toll if he refuses to play and sits out. If it gets that bad, then you can always pull the trigger on a good trade. I'm hoping with a Flores Coached Defense, that the Sum of it's parts is greater than individual Superstars. I'm also not sure how Hunter really fits in a 3-4 scheme as he already proved last year that he was having a lot of difficulty adapting to his new role and was pretty much invisible until the second half of the year. Lots to sort out. Ultimately Hunter might be more valuable to another Team where he is a better scheme fit than what the Vikings are willing to pay him, especially with extensions for JJ, TJ, Darrisaw, and potentially Cousins needing to be resolved.
according to over the cap his hit "post june 1st" is only 10.25 million, with a 10 million cap savings, the rest of the pro rated cap money owed on the contract would affect next years cap since it post June 1st IIRC.
I think you’re misreading the table and/or OTC is doing
illegal things for the void years.Cousins is only under contract for 2023. If we cut him this year, we pay his entire
salary cap hit for this year against the cap and the rest next year. If we don’t extend him, all his future
guaranteed money is paid in 2024. I don’t
think we can cut him post June 1st in 2024 (aka pushing some money
into 2025), which is what I think you’re seeing on overthecap.
@"medaille" said:@"JimmyinSD" said:@"TBro" said: $28, 500,000!!!!!! That is the dead cap hit we will take if we move on from Cousins in 2024. There is no way around that number. I don't see any way that Cousins is traded before the season starts. That's total nonsense despite the persistent rumors. The Wilf's would never sign off on that and they are the ones that are pushing the "Competitive Rebuild" on the fly agenda. I've said it before, Cousins is auditioning for his next contract with the Vikings which is a smart move by Kwesi. He is betting he can't reproduce the same magical season as last year and will be able to get Kirk for a 2-3 year deal with a better cap number. This also gives KOC and Kwesi time to draft or sign a FA replacement if Kirk decides to walk.Hunter is a completely separate issue and I don't agree with all the stupid talking heads that want to tie Hunter's situation with getting rid of Kendricks, Peterson, Cook, Thielen, etc. as a sign we are tanking. Don't listen to Florio's propaganda. Hunter isn't going to play for $5 Million. Everyone knows that. The Vikings want to keep him but it will come down to money like it always does. I'm getting the feeling that Hunter's agents are trying to make up for signing a bad deal under Spielman so this could get a little ugly, especially if Hunter feels like he was mistreated. We already know he won't be at mandatory minicamp this week. Hopefully they can work out a fair deal to keep him but if his demands are too great the Vikings don't have to do anything. His contract for this year would toll if he refuses to play and sits out. If it gets that bad, then you can always pull the trigger on a good trade. I'm hoping with a Flores Coached Defense, that the Sum of it's parts is greater than individual Superstars. I'm also not sure how Hunter really fits in a 3-4 scheme as he already proved last year that he was having a lot of difficulty adapting to his new role and was pretty much invisible until the second half of the year. Lots to sort out. Ultimately Hunter might be more valuable to another Team where he is a better scheme fit than what the Vikings are willing to pay him, especially with extensions for JJ, TJ, Darrisaw, and potentially Cousins needing to be resolved.
according to over the cap his hit "post june 1st" is only 10.25 million, with a 10 million cap savings, the rest of the pro rated cap money owed on the contract would affect next years cap since it post June 1st IIRC.
I think you’re misreading the table and/or OTC is doing
illegal things for the void years.Cousins is only under contract for 2023. If we cut him this year, we pay his entire
salary cap hit for this year against the cap and the rest next year. If we don’t extend him, all his future
guaranteed money is paid in 2024. I don’t
think we can cut him post June 1st in 2024 (aka pushing some money
into 2025), which is what I think you’re seeing on overthecap.
no, since its post june 1st, cut or trade we are only on the hook for this year, his hit this year is 20.25 million ( they redid his money earlier this year to add an additional year IIRC. Since he would be on a different team his contract would be paid by them, so we would only be paying the 10.25 in prorated cap from this year. next year we would get hit with the remaining cap money of 28.5 if I am understanding this correctly. This is why the pre and post June 1st stuff plays into affect is by waiting until after June 1st you wait a year to take those future cap hits. I dont think anything could push into 25 if he is no longer with the team.
A lot going on in this thread but I'll say MB is right, Kirk is not getting traded before this season. The absolute only way would be if a contender suffers an injury in preseason/TC and we pull a reverse-Bradford on some team. Even then I think it's super unlikely since the Eagles had Wentz on the roster and we have, um, Jaren Hall. Less than 1%.
As far as Hunter goes-- I doubt he gets traded either. Unfortunately if we "call his bluff" and can't get a deal done before the season and he does opt to sit out, that tanks his value to other teams as well the longer it goes on. So while I think a deal gets done, I'd put his trade chances around 20%.
JJ-- I hope we sign him to a gigantic deal yesterday. This should be priority #1 for this franchise, 2nd being finding our next QB. He's a competitive guy I'm sure but he's also smart. If KAM sells his vision and JJ buys in and that vision doesn't involve Kirk being here until the wheels come off, then I think JJ will be fine with it. Winning is great but money talks. If he's making crazy money I think he'll tolerate a down season or two while the team figures it out. Most would. Heck look at Damien Lilliard in the NBA. Guy's been rotting away on a loser for a decade, still loyal to the team. I know that's not everyone but when these guys look at their paycheck every two weeks that heals a lot of wounds.
@"pattersaur" said:I don't think it's as much about being on a winner as it is about the QB. Unlike basketball or baseball or any other position in football, a receiver's fortunes are directly tied to his QB. I don't think there's another position in all of sports that is quite that dependent on another player.A lot going on in this thread but I'll say MB is right, Kirk is not getting traded before this season. The absolute only way would be if a contender suffers an injury in preseason/TC and we pull a reverse-Bradford on some team. Even then I think it's super unlikely since the Eagles had Wentz on the roster and we have, um, Jaren Hall. Less than 1%. As far as Hunter goes-- I doubt he gets traded either. Unfortunately if we "call his bluff" and can't get a deal done before the season and he does opt to sit out, that tanks his value to other teams as well the longer it goes on. So while I think a deal gets done, I'd put his trade chances around 20%. JJ-- I hope we sign him to a gigantic deal yesterday. This should be priority #1 for this franchise, 2nd being finding our next QB. He's a competitive guy I'm sure but he's also smart. If KAM sells his vision and JJ buys in and that vision doesn't involve Kirk being here until the wheels come off, then I think JJ will be fine with it. Winning is great but money talks. If he's making crazy money I think he'll tolerate a down season or two while the team figures it out. Most would. Heck look at Damien Lilliard in the NBA. Guy's been rotting away on a loser for a decade, still loyal to the team. I know that's not everyone but when these guys look at their paycheck every two weeks that heals a lot of wounds.
@"JimmyinSD" said:@"medaille" said:@"JimmyinSD" said:@"TBro" said: $28, 500,000!!!!!! That is the dead cap hit we will take if we move on from Cousins in 2024. There is no way around that number. I don't see any way that Cousins is traded before the season starts. That's total nonsense despite the persistent rumors. The Wilf's would never sign off on that and they are the ones that are pushing the "Competitive Rebuild" on the fly agenda. I've said it before, Cousins is auditioning for his next contract with the Vikings which is a smart move by Kwesi. He is betting he can't reproduce the same magical season as last year and will be able to get Kirk for a 2-3 year deal with a better cap number. This also gives KOC and Kwesi time to draft or sign a FA replacement if Kirk decides to walk.Hunter is a completely separate issue and I don't agree with all the stupid talking heads that want to tie Hunter's situation with getting rid of Kendricks, Peterson, Cook, Thielen, etc. as a sign we are tanking. Don't listen to Florio's propaganda. Hunter isn't going to play for $5 Million. Everyone knows that. The Vikings want to keep him but it will come down to money like it always does. I'm getting the feeling that Hunter's agents are trying to make up for signing a bad deal under Spielman so this could get a little ugly, especially if Hunter feels like he was mistreated. We already know he won't be at mandatory minicamp this week. Hopefully they can work out a fair deal to keep him but if his demands are too great the Vikings don't have to do anything. His contract for this year would toll if he refuses to play and sits out. If it gets that bad, then you can always pull the trigger on a good trade. I'm hoping with a Flores Coached Defense, that the Sum of it's parts is greater than individual Superstars. I'm also not sure how Hunter really fits in a 3-4 scheme as he already proved last year that he was having a lot of difficulty adapting to his new role and was pretty much invisible until the second half of the year. Lots to sort out. Ultimately Hunter might be more valuable to another Team where he is a better scheme fit than what the Vikings are willing to pay him, especially with extensions for JJ, TJ, Darrisaw, and potentially Cousins needing to be resolved.
according to over the cap his hit "post june 1st" is only 10.25 million, with a 10 million cap savings, the rest of the pro rated cap money owed on the contract would affect next years cap since it post June 1st IIRC.
I think you’re misreading the table and/or OTC is doing
illegal things for the void years.Cousins is only under contract for 2023. If we cut him this year, we pay his entire
salary cap hit for this year against the cap and the rest next year. If we don’t extend him, all his future
guaranteed money is paid in 2024. I don’t
think we can cut him post June 1st in 2024 (aka pushing some money
into 2025), which is what I think you’re seeing on overthecap.
no, since its post june 1st, cut or trade we are only on the hook for this year, his hit this year is 20.25 million ( they redid his money earlier this year to add an additional year IIRC. Since he would be on a different team his contract would be paid by them, so we would only be paying the 10.25 in prorated cap from this year. next year we would get hit with the remaining cap money of 28.5 if I am understanding this correctly. This is why the pre and post June 1st stuff plays into affect is by waiting until after June 1st you wait a year to take those future cap hits. I dont think anything could push into 25 if he is no longer with the team.
Are you talking about cutting/trading Hunter prior to the 2023 season?
@"TBro" said: $28, 500,000!!!!!! That is the dead cap hit we will take if we move on from Cousins in 2024. There is no way around that number. I don't see any way that Cousins is traded before the season starts. That's total nonsense despite the persistent rumors. The Wilf's would never sign off on that and they are the ones that are pushing the "Competitive Rebuild" on the fly agenda. I've said it before, Cousins is auditioning for his next contract with the Vikings which is a smart move by Kwesi. He is betting he can't reproduce the same magical season as last year and will be able to get Kirk for a 2-3 year deal with a better cap number. This also gives KOC and Kwesi time to draft or sign a FA replacement if Kirk decides to walk.Hunter is a completely separate issue and I don't agree with all the stupid talking heads that want to tie Hunter's situation with getting rid of Kendricks, Peterson, Cook, Thielen, etc. as a sign we are tanking. Don't listen to Florio's propaganda. Hunter isn't going to play for $5 Million. Everyone knows that. The Vikings want to keep him but it will come down to money like it always does. I'm getting the feeling that Hunter's agents are trying to make up for signing a bad deal under Spielman so this could get a little ugly, especially if Hunter feels like he was mistreated. We already know he won't be at mandatory minicamp this week. Hopefully they can work out a fair deal to keep him but if his demands are too great the Vikings don't have to do anything. His contract for this year would toll if he refuses to play and sits out. If it gets that bad, then you can always pull the trigger on a good trade. I'm hoping with a Flores Coached Defense, that the Sum of it's parts is greater than individual Superstars. I'm also not sure how Hunter really fits in a 3-4 scheme as he already proved last year that he was having a lot of difficulty adapting to his new role and was pretty much invisible until the second half of the year. Lots to sort out. Ultimately Hunter might be more valuable to another Team where he is a better scheme fit than what the Vikings are willing to pay him, especially with extensions for JJ, TJ, Darrisaw, and potentially Cousins needing to be resolved.
This at the bold ^^^
Lazy journalism in linking the Hunter situation with the letting go of high priced, older veterans who are very likely past their primes.
Vikings have put themselves in a tough spot. It's the right decision, this competitive rebuild. But it's a balancing act, and so there are difficult decisions to make.
Right now the Vikings have very little money hitting the bottom line in '24. Redoing Hunter's deal will change that significantly.
Also think teams could be calling the Vikings because we got nothing for Cook and very little for Z. Would we take a day-two pick for Hunter? I hope not.
Vikings need to just pay Hunter. Adding Flores promises to improve the defense quite a bit, but if you remove Hunter from that, I don't know how "competitive" this rebuild will remain.
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