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Vikings rank high despite little contribution from last year's class. No surprise who ranks last...and by a mile. 

#1 · Mar 25, 9:45 AM
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That number is going to go down without EK and maybe Thielen?  (not sure if he counts?)  Hopefully we can backfill the roster with some great picks in the later round this year.

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And we fired Spielman why again? 

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@"supafreak84" said: And we fired Spielman why again? 
Lack of quality "snaps" from a drafted QB, maybe? B)
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@"HappyViking" said:
@"supafreak84" said: And we fired Spielman why again? 
Lack of quality "snaps" from a drafted QB, maybe? B)
That's fair, but then you also have to give him credit for landing Cousins in free agency. He missed on Ponder, and we don't know how Bridgewater might have been if he hadn't blown up his leg. Outside of that we were never in position to draft an elite quarterback prospect which is a credit to his building of the roster. Rick gets a bad rap because of the QB misses and acquiring late round picks, but overall the guy did his job of supplying the coaching staff with talent. 
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@"supafreak84" said:
@"HappyViking" said:
@"supafreak84" said: And we fired Spielman why again? 
Lack of quality "snaps" from a drafted QB, maybe? B)
That's fair, but then you also have to give him credit for landing Cousins in free agency. He missed on Ponder, and we don't know how Bridgewater might have been if he hadn't blown up his leg. Outside of that we were never in position to draft an elite quarterback prospect which is a credit to his building of the roster. Rick gets a bad rap because of the QB misses and acquiring late round picks, but overall the guy did his job of supplying the coaching staff with talent. 
I guess I don't miss Spielman one bit.  He had good drafts, but also his share of whiffs and nonsense draft day trades.  I'm glad they moved on from him and Zim.  The team was declining and a change was clearly needed.
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@"HappyViking" said:
@"supafreak84" said:
@"HappyViking" said:
@"supafreak84" said: And we fired Spielman why again? 
Lack of quality "snaps" from a drafted QB, maybe? B)
That's fair, but then you also have to give him credit for landing Cousins in free agency. He missed on Ponder, and we don't know how Bridgewater might have been if he hadn't blown up his leg. Outside of that we were never in position to draft an elite quarterback prospect which is a credit to his building of the roster. Rick gets a bad rap because of the QB misses and acquiring late round picks, but overall the guy did his job of supplying the coaching staff with talent. 
I guess I don't miss Spielman one bit.  He had good drafts, but also his share of whiffs and nonsense draft day trades.  I'm glad they moved on from him and Zim.  The team was declining and a change was clearly needed.
His last two drafts yielded Jefferson and Darrisaw. Every key contributer on this roster was drafted or acquired by Rick Spielman. He of course had misses, but everyone does as outlined above. As last year showed, it wasn't a talent issue on the team, it was the fact that the players stopped playing for Zimmer and tuned him out over a number of different issues. I miss Rick more every day with almost every move I see Adolfo-Mensah make. 
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I have been a Spielman supporter but once I learned about the total disfunction between the front office and Zimmer, he had to go (and Zimmer had to go).  You just can't have that disfunction at the top of the organization.

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He was as much to blame for the disfunction within the team as Zimmer. If Zimmer was the culprit,  Spielman should have fired him and brought in a coach that could communicate and work better with players. He didn't and it was his downfall.

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@"1VikesFan" said: He was as much to blame for the disfunction within the team as Zimmer. If Zimmer was the culprit,  Spielman should have fired him and brought in a coach that could communicate and work better with players. He didn't and it was his downfall.
How? Zimmer was a highly successful coach before the weird covid year of 2020 and then the 2021 season where we lost all those games on last drives. Spielman never had the opportunity to make a coaching change as he was relieved of his duties the same day Zimmer was. I'm sure he would have made a coaching change if given the opportunity. And again, my faith in the Wilfs as football men who know what the hell they are doing is next to none. I think they fucked up and should have just made the coaching change 
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@"1VikesFan" said: He was as much to blame for the disfunction within the team as Zimmer. If Zimmer was the culprit,  Spielman should have fired him and brought in a coach that could communicate and work better with players. He didn't and it was his downfall.
This,  this is the primary reason I wanted spielman gone,  he waited to long to get rid of Zim.  You could see several years ago that things were starting to slide and Coach My Way wasn't about to make any changes to adapt so he had to go.  Rick is gone because he failed to do an important part of his job,  and the fact that 2 years later and he still isn't a GM despite a lot of openings,  ( has he even been mentioned or interviewed for any openings) say a lot about how bad things actually were.
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@"JimmyinSD" said:
@"1VikesFan" said: He was as much to blame for the disfunction within the team as Zimmer. If Zimmer was the culprit,  Spielman should have fired him and brought in a coach that could communicate and work better with players. He didn't and it was his downfall.
This,  this is the primary reason I wanted spielman gone,  he waited to long to get rid of Zim.  You could see several years ago that things were starting to slide and Coach My Way wasn't about to make any changes to adapt so he had to go.  Rick is gone because he failed to do an important part of his job,  and the fact that 2 years later and he still isn't a GM despite a lot of openings,  ( has he even been mentioned or interviewed for any openings) say a lot about how bad things actually were.
Outside of Bill Polian, how many GM's do you see land jobs immediately after being dismissed? Doesn't happen. Rick will do like he did when he left the Dolphins, do the analyst thing for a few years then hopefully land another front office gig if he wants it. 
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And don't get me wrong, I've been highly critical of Rick in the past as well, but his overall body of work is really good and I don't think he deserved to be fired. He did his job of supplying the roster with enough talent to make a run. His last two selections of Jefferson, arguably the best player in the game, and Darrisaw, the best young tackle in the game, is outstanding. That's called going out on a high note 

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So how does this stat.relate to victories. TB is the only SB winner in the top 10 and that wasn't with a QB they drafted.

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@"JimmyinSD" said:
@"1VikesFan" said: He was as much to blame for the disfunction within the team as Zimmer. If Zimmer was the culprit,  Spielman should have fired him and brought in a coach that could communicate and work better with players. He didn't and it was his downfall.
This,  this is the primary reason I wanted spielman gone,  he waited to long to get rid of Zim.  You could see several years ago that things were starting to slide and Coach My Way wasn't about to make any changes to adapt so he had to go.  Rick is gone because he failed to do an important part of his job,  and the fact that 2 years later and he still isn't a GM despite a lot of openings,  ( has he even been mentioned or interviewed for any openings) say a lot about how bad things actually were.
  A smart  savvy owner would've seen 2021 comin' and made appropriate moves to avoid it.

IMO if JJ leaves in 2 years , 2021, and how it went down will be big  part of his decision

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@"supafreak84" said: And we fired Spielman why again? 
VO is right. Rick is gone for one reason and one reason only. He and his coach were not speaking. What are they, 14 year old girls? If you're the leader and you allow that to happen, and impact the team, you're as much to blame as the other guy. More actually. 
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@"BigAl99" said: So how does this stat.relate to victories. TB is the only SB winner in the top 10 and that wasn't with a QB they drafted.
It doesn't necessarily. Super Bowl winners aren't always the most talented teams in the NFL. But even that's not the whole story.  I think it just means you drafted well and you didn't rely as much on free agents as other teams. 
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@"MaroonBells" said:
@"supafreak84" said: And we fired Spielman why again? 
VO is right. Rick is gone for one reason and one reason only. He and his coach were not speaking. What are they, 14 year old girls? If you're the leader and you allow that to happen, and impact the team, you're as much to blame as the other guy. More actually. 
I would have bet the farm RS was staying and Zimsu would be shown the door. I was floored when they were both let go; and floored again when the curtain lifted on what was really going on out in Eagan.

That should never have been allowed to happen - probably going on for 2-3 years. How many times did we post during that time, things aren't right out there?

 edit - and looking back again? I'll bet that really was almost fisticuffs between Zimmer and Cousins on the sideline that day...

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@"MaroonBells" said:
@"supafreak84" said: And we fired Spielman why again? 
VO is right. Rick is gone for one reason and one reason only. He and his coach were not speaking. What are they, 14 year old girls? If you're the leader and you allow that to happen, and impact the team, you're as much to blame as the other guy. More actually. 
Zimmer became increasingly more difficult to deal with as time went on and I think that relationship started to sour over the decision to bring Cousins in. I think it's pretty well-known Zimmer was not in favor of allocating that kind of money to Cousins, who received a record contract in guaranteed money at the time. I also don't know that Rick would have been justified or even had the power to fire Zimmer before the 2021 season as Zimmer had been highly successful and I don't believe that would have been something the Wilfs would have signed off on. At the end of the day Spielman did his job in supplying the roster with talent to win games. The fact that those games were not won and relationships within the team soured between the players coaching staff, was Zimmer's fault. I've said this numerous times before, but the Wilfs are not football people, they are relocated Giants fans with a shit ton of money and I don't believe they make the best decisions when it comes to the hiring and firing of people. 
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@"BigAl99" said: So how does this stat.relate to victories. TB is the only SB winner in the top 10 and that wasn't with a QB they drafted.
Consistency? Not having constant roster turnover, not having to alter schemes to fit free agents. Less reliance on over spending for free agents. 6 of the 10 teams are in the top 10 for win percentage during that 5 year stretch. 
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@"bigbone62" said:
@"BigAl99" said: So how does this stat.relate to victories. TB is the only SB winner in the top 10 and that wasn't with a QB they drafted.
Consistency? Not having constant roster turnover, not having to alter schemes to fit free agents. Less reliance on over spending for free agents. 6 of the 10 teams are in the top 10 for win percentage during that 5 year stretch. 
Thats what I was wondering, how it related to winning, i guess.  When your my age thats pretty much is all I care about.  
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