Cousins supposedly offered team a discount on an extension

@"Vikergirl" said: https://twitter.com/TheVikingsWire/status/1640096494656077824?t=5SR-TAiC2ns8aZ6DjNTh7A&s=19

Again, if there is no intention to retain him on an extension past this upcoming season, the smart thing to do is to trade his ass. Sorry but we aren't going to the Super Bowl this upcoming season with or without Kirk Cousins (attention Wilf family!) Geoff thinks we can still get a late 1st round pick or some type of package of picks in trade compensation for Cousins, so how does that not make sense to do that? Yes, you are essentially sacrificing the upcoming season and yes the optics may look bad to Jefferson, but if there's a long term plan...do it! The Kirk Cousin hostage train is annoying every offseason. It's become the Minnesota version of Aaron Rodgers and if he is going to come back and play or not. As much as I like Kirk, it's time for this GM to step up to the plate and put his own stamp on the organization and I think even he knows that he can't do that as long as we keep playing the Cousins extension game. 

Theres no point in doing anything until after the draft

The new regime was dealt a hand they have to play in the Kirk Cousins extensions scenario. Things should clear up after the Draft. 

@"supafreak84" said: Again, if there is no intention to retain him on an extension past this upcoming season, the smart thing to do is to trade his ass. Sorry but we aren't going to the Super Bowl this upcoming season with or without Kirk Cousins (attention Wilf family!) Geoff thinks we can still get a late 1st round pick or some type of package of picks in trade compensation for Cousins, so how does that not make sense to do that? Yes, you are essentially sacrificing the upcoming season and yes the optics may look bad to Jefferson, but if there's a long term plan...do it! The Kirk Cousin hostage train is annoying every offseason. It's become the Minnesota version of Aaron Rodgers and if he is going to come back and play or not. As much as I like Kirk, it's time for this GM to step up to the plate and put his own stamp on the organization and I think even he knows that he can't do that as long as we keep playing the Cousins extension game. 

Is this really news? 

I think were all just waiting to see how much importance they place (this year) on QBOTF vs so many other needs.  Their actions will tell me a lot. 

A first or 2nd rounder (that they dont have today) is telling me they acquired someone with the intent he's the QBOTF. 

A late round guy? Out of some obscure Alabama or Florida school? Thats qb pipeline and a prayer. 

@"purplefaithful" said: Is this really news? 

I think were all just waiting to see how much importance they place (this year) on QBOTF vs so many other needs.  Their actions will tell me a lot. 

A first or 2nd rounder (that they dont have today) is telling me they acquired someone with the intent he's the QBOTF. 

A late round guy? Out of some obscure Alabama or Florida school? Thats qb pipeline and a prayer. 

What ultimately happens is going to 100% depend on how the draft goes and what Cousins does in year two of the offense. 

I think the only thing we can say for certain is that the odds of the Vikings taking a QB in this spring's draft are a little bit higher. 

@"MaroonBells" said:

@"purplefaithful" said: Is this really news? 

I think were all just waiting to see how much importance they place (this year) on QBOTF vs so many other needs.  Their actions will tell me a lot. 

A first or 2nd rounder (that they dont have today) is telling me they acquired someone with the intent he's the QBOTF. 

A late round guy? Out of some obscure Alabama or Florida school? Thats qb pipeline and a prayer. 

That was my thought as well. We already knew both sides were open to extension. That the Vikings wanted short and Cousins wanted long, and that guaranteed money is, was, and always will be the sticking point. 

What ultimately happens is going to 100% depend on how the draft goes and what Cousins does in year two of the offense. 

I think the only thing we can say for certain is that the odds of the Vikings taking a QB in this spring's draft are a little bit higher. 

@"Wetlander" said:

@"MaroonBells" said:

@"purplefaithful" said: Is this really news? 

I think were all just waiting to see how much importance they place (this year) on QBOTF vs so many other needs.  Their actions will tell me a lot. 

A first or 2nd rounder (that they dont have today) is telling me they acquired someone with the intent he's the QBOTF. 

A late round guy? Out of some obscure Alabama or Florida school? Thats qb pipeline and a prayer. 

That was my thought as well. We already knew both sides were open to extension. That the Vikings wanted short and Cousins wanted long, and that guaranteed money is, was, and always will be the sticking point. 

What ultimately happens is going to 100% depend on how the draft goes and what Cousins does in year two of the offense. 

I think the only thing we can say for certain is that the odds of the Vikings taking a QB in this spring's draft are a little bit higher. 

Actually, I heard/read the Vikings wanted to do a longer term contract with less guaranteed money (like only guarantee the next two years and have some fluff years at the end) so they could manipulate the cap, but Cousins camp preferred less term but fully guaranteed again. From the article above, that jives since it "sounds" like Cousins was open to taking slightly below market rate (below Daniel Jones, Kyler, etc) but the trade off being it's fully guaranteed.

discount off of what?  he is already over paid, ( most QBs are ) so if he was saying he would take less than the other over paid QBs,  its still a shit deal,  especially if it had to be guaranteed.

@"MaroonBells" said:

@"supafreak84" said: Again, if there is no intention to retain him on an extension past this upcoming season, the smart thing to do is to trade his ass. Sorry but we aren't going to the Super Bowl this upcoming season with or without Kirk Cousins (attention Wilf family!) Geoff thinks we can still get a late 1st round pick or some type of package of picks in trade compensation for Cousins, so how does that not make sense to do that? Yes, you are essentially sacrificing the upcoming season and yes the optics may look bad to Jefferson, but if there's a long term plan...do it! The Kirk Cousin hostage train is annoying every offseason. It's become the Minnesota version of Aaron Rodgers and if he is going to come back and play or not. As much as I like Kirk, it's time for this GM to step up to the plate and put his own stamp on the organization and I think even he knows that he can't do that as long as we keep playing the Cousins extension game. 

Vikings are not going to trade their QB without first having their QBOTF in the pipeline. 

@"supafreak84" said:

@"MaroonBells" said:

@"supafreak84" said: Again, if there is no intention to retain him on an extension past this upcoming season, the smart thing to do is to trade his ass. Sorry but we aren't going to the Super Bowl this upcoming season with or without Kirk Cousins (attention Wilf family!) Geoff thinks we can still get a late 1st round pick or some type of package of picks in trade compensation for Cousins, so how does that not make sense to do that? Yes, you are essentially sacrificing the upcoming season and yes the optics may look bad to Jefferson, but if there's a long term plan...do it! The Kirk Cousin hostage train is annoying every offseason. It's become the Minnesota version of Aaron Rodgers and if he is going to come back and play or not. As much as I like Kirk, it's time for this GM to step up to the plate and put his own stamp on the organization and I think even he knows that he can't do that as long as we keep playing the Cousins extension game. 

Vikings are not going to trade their QB without first having their QBOTF in the pipeline. 

And by what means would they go about acquiring a QBOTF prior to trading Cousins? I also think if that were to happen first it lowers the trade value and would give other teams leverage in trade talks. There's really just no way to finesse this Cousins situation to where the pieces line up perfectly for the Vikings. If they want off the rollercoaster they just need to jump at some point and trust in their new front office to make the right decisions in addressing the QB position. 

We may have tried to trade him but think, how many teams would be interested? And what would you really give for Cousins? He had more chances than any QB i can remember but doesn't show up in the clutch. It's time to move on, he's lucky he gets one more year. He better make this next year good or he could be out looking in the following year.

@"supafreak84" said:

@"MaroonBells" said:

@"supafreak84" said: Again, if there is no intention to retain him on an extension past this upcoming season, the smart thing to do is to trade his ass. Sorry but we aren't going to the Super Bowl this upcoming season with or without Kirk Cousins (attention Wilf family!) Geoff thinks we can still get a late 1st round pick or some type of package of picks in trade compensation for Cousins, so how does that not make sense to do that? Yes, you are essentially sacrificing the upcoming season and yes the optics may look bad to Jefferson, but if there's a long term plan...do it! The Kirk Cousin hostage train is annoying every offseason. It's become the Minnesota version of Aaron Rodgers and if he is going to come back and play or not. As much as I like Kirk, it's time for this GM to step up to the plate and put his own stamp on the organization and I think even he knows that he can't do that as long as we keep playing the Cousins extension game. 

Vikings are not going to trade their QB without first having their QBOTF in the pipeline. 

And by what means would they go about acquiring a QBOTF prior to trading Cousins? I also think if that were to happen first it lowers the trade value and would give other teams leverage in trade talks. There's really just no way to finesse this Cousins situation to where the pieces line up perfectly for the Vikings. If they want off the rollercoaster they just need to jump at some point and trust in their new front office to make the right decisions in addressing the QB position. 

@"medaille" said:

@"supafreak84" said:

@"MaroonBells" said:

@"supafreak84" said: Again, if there is no intention to retain him on an extension past this upcoming season, the smart thing to do is to trade his ass. Sorry but we aren't going to the Super Bowl this upcoming season with or without Kirk Cousins (attention Wilf family!) Geoff thinks we can still get a late 1st round pick or some type of package of picks in trade compensation for Cousins, so how does that not make sense to do that? Yes, you are essentially sacrificing the upcoming season and yes the optics may look bad to Jefferson, but if there's a long term plan...do it! The Kirk Cousin hostage train is annoying every offseason. It's become the Minnesota version of Aaron Rodgers and if he is going to come back and play or not. As much as I like Kirk, it's time for this GM to step up to the plate and put his own stamp on the organization and I think even he knows that he can't do that as long as we keep playing the Cousins extension game. 

Vikings are not going to trade their QB without first having their QBOTF in the pipeline. 

And by what means would they go about acquiring a QBOTF prior to trading Cousins? I also think if that were to happen first it lowers the trade value and would give other teams leverage in trade talks. There's really just no way to finesse this Cousins situation to where the pieces line up perfectly for the Vikings. If they want off the rollercoaster they just need to jump at some point and trust in their new front office to make the right decisions in addressing the QB position. 

It’s not rocket science.  You can just draft a QB, and then figure out what to do with Cousins.  You can let Cousins start a year, and the rookie can develop or you can trade him to a team Cousins would like to go if the kid looks amazing.  I don’t think maximizing trade value is an important part of the conversation, and there’s nothing saying that you can’t have two QBs on the team at the same time.  I’d much rather get a new QB first, than get rid of Cousins first.

@"FLVike" said: We may have tried to trade him but think, how many teams would be interested? And what would you really give for Cousins? He had more chances than any QB i can remember but doesn't show up in the clutch. It's time to move on, he's lucky he gets one more year. He better make this next year good or he could be out looking in the following year.

@"medaille" said:

@"supafreak84" said:

@"MaroonBells" said:

@"supafreak84" said: Again, if there is no intention to retain him on an extension past this upcoming season, the smart thing to do is to trade his ass. Sorry but we aren't going to the Super Bowl this upcoming season with or without Kirk Cousins (attention Wilf family!) Geoff thinks we can still get a late 1st round pick or some type of package of picks in trade compensation for Cousins, so how does that not make sense to do that? Yes, you are essentially sacrificing the upcoming season and yes the optics may look bad to Jefferson, but if there's a long term plan...do it! The Kirk Cousin hostage train is annoying every offseason. It's become the Minnesota version of Aaron Rodgers and if he is going to come back and play or not. As much as I like Kirk, it's time for this GM to step up to the plate and put his own stamp on the organization and I think even he knows that he can't do that as long as we keep playing the Cousins extension game. 

Vikings are not going to trade their QB without first having their QBOTF in the pipeline. 

And by what means would they go about acquiring a QBOTF prior to trading Cousins? I also think if that were to happen first it lowers the trade value and would give other teams leverage in trade talks. There's really just no way to finesse this Cousins situation to where the pieces line up perfectly for the Vikings. If they want off the rollercoaster they just need to jump at some point and trust in their new front office to make the right decisions in addressing the QB position. 

It’s not rocket science.  You can just draft a QB, and then figure out what to do with Cousins.  You can let Cousins start a year, and the rookie can develop or you can trade him to a team Cousins would like to go if the kid looks amazing.  I don’t think maximizing trade value is an important part of the conversation, and there’s nothing saying that you can’t have two QBs on the team at the same time.  I’d much rather get a new QB first, than get rid of Cousins first.

@"supafreak84" said:

@"MaroonBells" said:

@"supafreak84" said: Again, if there is no intention to retain him on an extension past this upcoming season, the smart thing to do is to trade his ass. Sorry but we aren't going to the Super Bowl this upcoming season with or without Kirk Cousins (attention Wilf family!) Geoff thinks we can still get a late 1st round pick or some type of package of picks in trade compensation for Cousins, so how does that not make sense to do that? Yes, you are essentially sacrificing the upcoming season and yes the optics may look bad to Jefferson, but if there's a long term plan...do it! The Kirk Cousin hostage train is annoying every offseason. It's become the Minnesota version of Aaron Rodgers and if he is going to come back and play or not. As much as I like Kirk, it's time for this GM to step up to the plate and put his own stamp on the organization and I think even he knows that he can't do that as long as we keep playing the Cousins extension game. 

Vikings are not going to trade their QB without first having their QBOTF in the pipeline. 

And by what means would they go about acquiring a QBOTF prior to trading Cousins? I also think if that were to happen first it lowers the trade value and would give other teams leverage in trade talks. There's really just no way to finesse this Cousins situation to where the pieces line up perfectly for the Vikings. If they want off the rollercoaster they just need to jump at some point and trust in their new front office to make the right decisions in addressing the QB position. 

@"MaroonBells" said:

@"supafreak84" said:

@"MaroonBells" said:

@"supafreak84" said: Again, if there is no intention to retain him on an extension past this upcoming season, the smart thing to do is to trade his ass. Sorry but we aren't going to the Super Bowl this upcoming season with or without Kirk Cousins (attention Wilf family!) Geoff thinks we can still get a late 1st round pick or some type of package of picks in trade compensation for Cousins, so how does that not make sense to do that? Yes, you are essentially sacrificing the upcoming season and yes the optics may look bad to Jefferson, but if there's a long term plan...do it! The Kirk Cousin hostage train is annoying every offseason. It's become the Minnesota version of Aaron Rodgers and if he is going to come back and play or not. As much as I like Kirk, it's time for this GM to step up to the plate and put his own stamp on the organization and I think even he knows that he can't do that as long as we keep playing the Cousins extension game. 

Vikings are not going to trade their QB without first having their QBOTF in the pipeline. 

And by what means would they go about acquiring a QBOTF prior to trading Cousins? I also think if that were to happen first it lowers the trade value and would give other teams leverage in trade talks. There's really just no way to finesse this Cousins situation to where the pieces line up perfectly for the Vikings. If they want off the rollercoaster they just need to jump at some point and trust in their new front office to make the right decisions in addressing the QB position. 

By drafting one. Confused by the question.

No team would ever trade their perfectly good veteran QB for a draft pick. It would just never happen. Draft one, see what he's got, then trade? Sure. QB for QB, OK, but the QB has to be proven.

But QB for a rookie? Never happen. Not in a million years. Imagine the egg on the face of the GM of a 13-win team trading one of the NFL's best QBs, who's still only 34, for a draft pick that turns out to be Dwayne Haskins or Baker Mayfield or Sam Darnold or Josh Rosen or Trubisky or Wentz or Winston or Mariota, or Bortles, Manziel, Manuel, RGIII, Locker, Gabbert, Ponder.........No, it would never happen. 

I think for some of you, your hatred of Cousins has clouded your ability to see things clearly. 

@"supafreak84" said:

@"medaille" said:

@"supafreak84" said:

@"MaroonBells" said:

@"supafreak84" said: Again, if there is no intention to retain him on an extension past this upcoming season, the smart thing to do is to trade his ass. Sorry but we aren't going to the Super Bowl this upcoming season with or without Kirk Cousins (attention Wilf family!) Geoff thinks we can still get a late 1st round pick or some type of package of picks in trade compensation for Cousins, so how does that not make sense to do that? Yes, you are essentially sacrificing the upcoming season and yes the optics may look bad to Jefferson, but if there's a long term plan...do it! The Kirk Cousin hostage train is annoying every offseason. It's become the Minnesota version of Aaron Rodgers and if he is going to come back and play or not. As much as I like Kirk, it's time for this GM to step up to the plate and put his own stamp on the organization and I think even he knows that he can't do that as long as we keep playing the Cousins extension game. 

Vikings are not going to trade their QB without first having their QBOTF in the pipeline. 

And by what means would they go about acquiring a QBOTF prior to trading Cousins? I also think if that were to happen first it lowers the trade value and would give other teams leverage in trade talks. There's really just no way to finesse this Cousins situation to where the pieces line up perfectly for the Vikings. If they want off the rollercoaster they just need to jump at some point and trust in their new front office to make the right decisions in addressing the QB position. 

It’s not rocket science.  You can just draft a QB, and then figure out what to do with Cousins.  You can let Cousins start a year, and the rookie can develop or you can trade him to a team Cousins would like to go if the kid looks amazing.  I don’t think maximizing trade value is an important part of the conversation, and there’s nothing saying that you can’t have two QBs on the team at the same time.  I’d much rather get a new QB first, than get rid of Cousins first.

Well again, if it's not rocket science, where are the Vikings coming up with this young franchise QB? If you give up picks for Lamar Jackson he is your starter and Cousins needs to be traded likely at a reduced rate because teams know the Vikings would need to move him. We aren't in draft position to acquire a QB, so unless we are giving up picks we don't have for an unknown commodity in a trade up, where are we getting a QB to start this transition plan?