Is it just me? Not happy.

@"Vikergirl" said: I was listening to the presser and I thought it was interesting that Notre Dame was looking at Addison as a corner. He sounds quite level-headed and ready to work. I am trusting the brain trust on this one. 

Heard that was KC that was sniffing at Addison.

How many superstars do you expect the Vikes to draft with only 5 picks and slotted at the #23 spot?  Even when they have 7 or more picks, they usually are lucky to get 2 or 3 starters.  Yeah, this year the draft sucks with only 5 picks, but they do have an awesome, proven, Pro Bowl TE with for that missing #2 pick.  I'd rather have Hock than the unknown #2.
I too was expecting defense last night but I have a feeling Addison was rated highly on their board; it certainly filled a need after AT left.  I don't think the defense will be rebuilt via the draft.  They might just be rolling with what they have unless Cook gets traded for a defensive player.

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"MaroonBells" said:

@"JimmyinSD" said: Pros on Addison,   hes quicker than fast,  can change directions without having to drop much speed,  sure he isn't gonna blow by many people,  but he will get open quickly and seems to have the hands to make contested catches....so it's nothing at all against the kid.

But WR?  How delusional is a GM that has a solid O,  and a bottom of the league D,  and uses his first two picks in the draft on adding offensive play makers.  And before somebody makes a cute comment about how its an offense driven league,  then they better the fuck not use the defense as an excuse as to why the team loses games,  or as an excuse as to why the team hasn't produced squat with kirko at the helm.

Pick for the future,  great 2 QB prospects fall into your lap,  pick for the now...great, a couple damn good defenders available as well to try and address the glaring deficiency from last year...but no,  lets spend our one decent draft pick this year on a guy that will be third read on most passing plays.

I think kam is putting to much hope in the kids from last years draft making a huge impact this year to fix our D,  which is fine if the plan was to move on from KC and build for the future,  but if the thought was to win now,  the only plan I see is hoping to win the race to 60 every game,  which our O isn't built to do.

I have a hunch the Vikings are going to be much more active in post-draft free agency than they usually are. 

thats nice,  but doesnt sell much hope.  we talk about the longshots that are draft picks,  the odds of finding quality in the kiddy pool are even slimmer.

but I do appreciate you trying to cheer me up!

@"MaroonBells" said:

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"MaroonBells" said:

@"JimmyinSD" said: Pros on Addison,   hes quicker than fast,  can change directions without having to drop much speed,  sure he isn't gonna blow by many people,  but he will get open quickly and seems to have the hands to make contested catches....so it's nothing at all against the kid.

But WR?  How delusional is a GM that has a solid O,  and a bottom of the league D,  and uses his first two picks in the draft on adding offensive play makers.  And before somebody makes a cute comment about how its an offense driven league,  then they better the fuck not use the defense as an excuse as to why the team loses games,  or as an excuse as to why the team hasn't produced squat with kirko at the helm.

Pick for the future,  great 2 QB prospects fall into your lap,  pick for the now...great, a couple damn good defenders available as well to try and address the glaring deficiency from last year...but no,  lets spend our one decent draft pick this year on a guy that will be third read on most passing plays.

I think kam is putting to much hope in the kids from last years draft making a huge impact this year to fix our D,  which is fine if the plan was to move on from KC and build for the future,  but if the thought was to win now,  the only plan I see is hoping to win the race to 60 every game,  which our O isn't built to do.

I have a hunch the Vikings are going to be much more active in post-draft free agency than they usually are. 

thats nice,  but doesnt sell much hope.  we talk about the longshots that are draft picks,  the odds of finding quality in the kiddy pool are even slimmer.

but I do appreciate you trying to cheer me up!

Kiddy pool? I don't know why, but for whatever reason (maybe the cap increase), this year's 2nd tier of free agency is stacked with pretty good players who are still on the market. Solid, Pro Bowl-level players, some still in their 20s. Wait, maybe you thought I meant college free agency? OK, yeah, that's the kiddy pool. 

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"MaroonBells" said:

@"JimmyinSD" said: Pros on Addison,   hes quicker than fast,  can change directions without having to drop much speed,  sure he isn't gonna blow by many people,  but he will get open quickly and seems to have the hands to make contested catches....so it's nothing at all against the kid.

But WR?  How delusional is a GM that has a solid O,  and a bottom of the league D,  and uses his first two picks in the draft on adding offensive play makers.  And before somebody makes a cute comment about how its an offense driven league,  then they better the fuck not use the defense as an excuse as to why the team loses games,  or as an excuse as to why the team hasn't produced squat with kirko at the helm.

Pick for the future,  great 2 QB prospects fall into your lap,  pick for the now...great, a couple damn good defenders available as well to try and address the glaring deficiency from last year...but no,  lets spend our one decent draft pick this year on a guy that will be third read on most passing plays.

I think kam is putting to much hope in the kids from last years draft making a huge impact this year to fix our D,  which is fine if the plan was to move on from KC and build for the future,  but if the thought was to win now,  the only plan I see is hoping to win the race to 60 every game,  which our O isn't built to do.

I have a hunch the Vikings are going to be much more active in post-draft free agency than they usually are. 

thats nice,  but doesnt sell much hope.  we talk about the longshots that are draft picks,  the odds of finding quality in the kiddy pool are even slimmer.

but I do appreciate you trying to cheer me up!

@"AGRforever" said:

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"MaroonBells" said:

@"JimmyinSD" said: Pros on Addison,   hes quicker than fast,  can change directions without having to drop much speed,  sure he isn't gonna blow by many people,  but he will get open quickly and seems to have the hands to make contested catches....so it's nothing at all against the kid.

But WR?  How delusional is a GM that has a solid O,  and a bottom of the league D,  and uses his first two picks in the draft on adding offensive play makers.  And before somebody makes a cute comment about how its an offense driven league,  then they better the fuck not use the defense as an excuse as to why the team loses games,  or as an excuse as to why the team hasn't produced squat with kirko at the helm.

Pick for the future,  great 2 QB prospects fall into your lap,  pick for the now...great, a couple damn good defenders available as well to try and address the glaring deficiency from last year...but no,  lets spend our one decent draft pick this year on a guy that will be third read on most passing plays.

I think kam is putting to much hope in the kids from last years draft making a huge impact this year to fix our D,  which is fine if the plan was to move on from KC and build for the future,  but if the thought was to win now,  the only plan I see is hoping to win the race to 60 every game,  which our O isn't built to do.

I have a hunch the Vikings are going to be much more active in post-draft free agency than they usually are. 

thats nice,  but doesnt sell much hope.  we talk about the longshots that are draft picks,  the odds of finding quality in the kiddy pool are even slimmer.

but I do appreciate you trying to cheer me up!

Oh you big grumpalumpagus. Drink a beer. We’ve got football in April. 

Another head scratcher for me USC - CB ahead of guys like Rush, Smith, Trice all over 6'1 

PFF - has him rated in the 180's and we took him at 102.  

The only thing that makes me smile about this draft is TJ Hockenson.  Period.

Kwesi may be the death of analytics in Minnesota.

@"minny65" said: Another head scratcher for me USC - CB ahead of guys like Rush, Smith, Trice all over 6'1 

PFF - has him rated in the 180's and we took him at 102.  

I was a little confused too, but everything I'm researching currently points to Blackmon being a competitor and probably a better man coverage fit. There's no change of direction concerns and he is fluid in everything he does, just lacks size. Transfer from Colorado played opposite Christian Gonzalez. I just watched the NFL Network coverage of the pick and DJ relayed that Blackmon would intentionally get in line at practice to specifically go against Jordan Addison. Best on best. I don't know that we ever needed a "for sure" starter at corner as I do believe the scheme and injury was a bigger hindrance more then anything. Murphy, hopefully a healthy Evans and Booth with Blackmon in the mix. I'm ok with that 

@"supafreak84" said:

@"minny65" said: Another head scratcher for me USC - CB ahead of guys like Rush, Smith, Trice all over 6'1 

PFF - has him rated in the 180's and we took him at 102.  

I was a little confused too, but everything I'm researching currently points to Blackmon being a competitor and probably a better man coverage fit. There's no change of direction concerns and he is fluid in everything he does, just lacks size. Transfer from Colorado played opposite Christian Gonzalez. I just watched the NFL Network coverage of the pick and DJ relayed that Blackmon would intentionally get in line at practice to specifically go against Jordan Addison. Best on best. I don't know that we ever needed a "for sure" starter at corner as I do believe the scheme and injury was a bigger hindrance more then anything. Murphy, hopefully a healthy Evans and Booth with Blackmon in the mix. I'm ok with that 

@"mgobluevikes" said:

@"supafreak84" said:

@"minny65" said: Another head scratcher for me USC - CB ahead of guys like Rush, Smith, Trice all over 6'1 

PFF - has him rated in the 180's and we took him at 102.  

I was a little confused too, but everything I'm researching currently points to Blackmon being a competitor and probably a better man coverage fit. There's no change of direction concerns and he is fluid in everything he does, just lacks size. Transfer from Colorado played opposite Christian Gonzalez. I just watched the NFL Network coverage of the pick and DJ relayed that Blackmon would intentionally get in line at practice to specifically go against Jordan Addison. Best on best. I don't know that we ever needed a "for sure" starter at corner as I do believe the scheme and injury was a bigger hindrance more then anything. Murphy, hopefully a healthy Evans and Booth with Blackmon in the mix. I'm ok with that 

We needed a damn LBer and  a real NT. Maybe Kwesi can sell his analytics to Bed Bath and Beyond... 

Draft ain't over... SKOL!

@"supafreak84" said:

@"mgobluevikes" said:

@"supafreak84" said:

@"minny65" said: Another head scratcher for me USC - CB ahead of guys like Rush, Smith, Trice all over 6'1 

PFF - has him rated in the 180's and we took him at 102.  

I was a little confused too, but everything I'm researching currently points to Blackmon being a competitor and probably a better man coverage fit. There's no change of direction concerns and he is fluid in everything he does, just lacks size. Transfer from Colorado played opposite Christian Gonzalez. I just watched the NFL Network coverage of the pick and DJ relayed that Blackmon would intentionally get in line at practice to specifically go against Jordan Addison. Best on best. I don't know that we ever needed a "for sure" starter at corner as I do believe the scheme and injury was a bigger hindrance more then anything. Murphy, hopefully a healthy Evans and Booth with Blackmon in the mix. I'm ok with that 

We needed a damn LBer and  a real NT. Maybe Kwesi can sell his analytics to Bed Bath and Beyond... 

I don't disagree. Having Simpson go one pick before we elected to trade back, stung. We have 5 picks tomorrow. Hoping we package some of them to move up and get some defensive contributors and not settle on 6th and 7th round flyers. We need actual players 

Convincing myself this has been good, Addison and Blackmon good players, hopefully our analytics show they are great fits for team plans.  TJ Hock, worth a second.  Changing from Donatell will have more impact than a rookie, non blue-chip pick.  Flores is a good DC and does more than just improve last years fiasco.  If we pick up Holton Ahlers from E. Carolina we could have "THE" ultimate Mr. Mankato covered.

@"BigAl99" said: Convincing myself this has been good, Addison and Blackmon good players, hopefully our analytics show they are great fits for team plans.  TJ Hock, worth a second.  Changing from Donatell will have more impact than a rookie, non blue-chip pick.  Flores is a good DC and does more than just improve last years fiasco.  If we pick up Holton Ahlers from E. Carolina we could have "THE" ultimate Mr. Mankato covered.

Agreed. Let's do it.

https://www.espn.com/college-football/player/_/id/4360131/holton-ahlers

The reality of it all is that the whole 2023 year from free agency to the draft and through the entire football season will be a washout.  No money, no draft picks and really no complete roster.  I just see the organization looking towards the 2024 season and just surviving this debacle in front of them.  As fans, we no other choice but to except this and ride through.  As far as I'm concerned, there's no relief in sight at the moment.  The Packers, Bears and especially the Lions are rising above us.

Show me the huge mistake that was made moving from 87 to 102;  remember Kwesi said they would have taken Blackmon at 87 if they made the pick...
87. San Francisco 49ers (from MIN) – Ji’Ayir Brown, S, Penn State
88. Jacksonville Jaguars – Tank Bigsby, RB, Auburn
89. Los Angeles Rams (from NYG) – Kobie Turner, DT, Wake Forest
90. Dallas Cowboys – DeMarvion Overshown, LB, Texas
91. Buffalo Bills – Dorian Williams, LB, Tulane
92. Kansas City Chiefs (from CIN) – Wanya Morris, OT, Oklahoma
93. Pittsburgh Steelers (from SF through CAR) – Darnell Washington, TE, Georgia
94. Arizona Cardinals (from PHI) – Michael Wilson, WR, Stanford
95. Cincinnati Bengals (from KC) – Jordan Battle, S, Alabama
96. Detroit Lions (from AZ) * – Brodric Martin, DT, Western Kentucky
97. Washington Commanders * – Ricky Stromberg, C, Arkansas
98. Cleveland Browns * – Siaki Ika, DT, Baylor
99. San Francisco 49ers * – Jake Moody, K, Michigan
100. Las Vegas Raiders (from KC through NYG) * – Tre Tucker, WR, Cincinnati 
101. San Francisco 49ers * – Cameron Latu, TE, Alabama

@"StickyBun" said: I'm not disappointed, as if they wanted a QB, 2 were there in Levis and Hooker. Addison should be a good addition. They just didn't have the ammo and nobody wanted to dance to move down, it happens. 

Fine, we didnt have ammo.  Thats on Kwesi and on our half-ass rebuild.  We’re going to stay incredibly mediocre for a couple more years until the talent has been thoroughly drained away and we’ll have no choice but to rebuild. 

@"rf54" said: Show me the huge mistake that was made moving from 87 to 102;  remember Kwesi said they would have taken Blackmon at 87 if they made the pick... 87. San Francisco 49ers (from MIN) – Ji’Ayir Brown, S, Penn State 88. Jacksonville Jaguars – Tank Bigsby, RB, Auburn 89. Los Angeles Rams (from NYG) – Kobie Turner, DT, Wake Forest 90. Dallas Cowboys – DeMarvion Overshown, LB, Texas 91. Buffalo Bills – Dorian Williams, LB, Tulane 92. Kansas City Chiefs (from CIN) – Wanya Morris, OT, Oklahoma 93. Pittsburgh Steelers (from SF through CAR) – Darnell Washington, TE, Georgia 94. Arizona Cardinals (from PHI) – Michael Wilson, WR, Stanford 95. Cincinnati Bengals (from KC) – Jordan Battle, S, Alabama 96. Detroit Lions (from AZ) * – Brodric Martin, DT, Western Kentucky 97. Washington Commanders * – Ricky Stromberg, C, Arkansas 98. Cleveland Browns * – Siaki Ika, DT, Baylor 99. San Francisco 49ers * – Jake Moody, K, Michigan 100. Las Vegas Raiders (from KC through NYG) * – Tre Tucker, WR, Cincinnati  101. San Francisco 49ers * – Cameron Latu, TE, Alabama

I think you answered your own question.

@"rf54" said: Show me the huge mistake that was made moving from 87 to 102;  remember Kwesi said they would have taken Blackmon at 87 if they made the pick... 87. San Francisco 49ers (from MIN) – Ji’Ayir Brown, S, Penn State 88. Jacksonville Jaguars – Tank Bigsby, RB, Auburn 89. Los Angeles Rams (from NYG) – Kobie Turner, DT, Wake Forest 90. Dallas Cowboys – DeMarvion Overshown, LB, Texas 91. Buffalo Bills – Dorian Williams, LB, Tulane 92. Kansas City Chiefs (from CIN) – Wanya Morris, OT, Oklahoma 93. Pittsburgh Steelers (from SF through CAR) – Darnell Washington, TE, Georgia 94. Arizona Cardinals (from PHI) – Michael Wilson, WR, Stanford 95. Cincinnati Bengals (from KC) – Jordan Battle, S, Alabama 96. Detroit Lions (from AZ) * – Brodric Martin, DT, Western Kentucky 97. Washington Commanders * – Ricky Stromberg, C, Arkansas 98. Cleveland Browns * – Siaki Ika, DT, Baylor 99. San Francisco 49ers * – Jake Moody, K, Michigan 100. Las Vegas Raiders (from KC through NYG) * – Tre Tucker, WR, Cincinnati  101. San Francisco 49ers * – Cameron Latu, TE, Alabama

we could always use a good kicker...