Will the 49ers and Vikings have serious talks about Cousins?
Based on some of Kwesi's comments, I don't get the impression that Cousins is untouchable. The "He's good enough" comment is not a ringing endorsement. If they could still get JJ to sign and extension without Cousins, who knows what could happen.
Lynch is admitting they will need a Veteran. https://www.nfl.com/news/john-lynch-49ers-might-add-veteran-quarterback-trey-lance-brock-purdy-return-
I don't think the 49ers have enough draft capital to pull off a trade, but never say never.
@"pattersaur" said:I think this year more than any would make sense to the Niners if it ever were to happen, KC is likely not wanting to play out his final year and be entering FA staring down 36 years old. The niners have a team that is literally 1 position away from something special, if there was any way for them to make a trade work, now is the time considering the huge question marks they have at the position. I believe that most of the speculation stems back to when KC was to become a FA, that Shanny was supposedly very interested, but the team wasnt in the position to make a run at him.To answer OP- I doubt it. Kyle Shanahan/Kirk connection gets brought up every offseason and no real whispers from any legit insiders about anything has ever come up. I think it's wishful thinking by the anti-Kirk crowd. Not that we fans know anything or have input, but I don't really here many Niners fans clamoring for him either. A more probable-- but still very unlikely, IMO-- scenario for a Kirk trade might be as a plan B or C for teams like the Jets, Raiders, or Panthers if Rodgers stays put and they don't sign Carr (obviously excluding LV for Carr).
I still think him being traded is extremely remote, but its the offseason, what else is there to talk about?
Here is my dilemma.... If Kirk was the Chiefs or Eagles QB last year neither team would be in the Super bowl. The team needs to build something similar to the 2002 Bucs , 2013 Seahawks. If Cousins was on the 49ers this past year they would have a good chance to go all the way. Only because they have an overall dominate team.
@"Still Hurtn" said: Here is my dilemma.... If Kirk was the Chiefs or Eagles QB last year neither team would be in the Super bowl. The team needs to build something similar to the 2002 Bucs , 2013 Seahawks. If Cousins was on the 49ers this past year they would have a good chance to go all the way. Only because they have an overall dominate team.pretty much how I see it as well, he can take a loaded team to the promised land, but he cant carry an offense or overcome a poor defense.
@"JimmyinSD" said:@"Still Hurtn" said: Here is my dilemma.... If Kirk was the Chiefs or Eagles QB last year neither team would be in the Super bowl. The team needs to build something similar to the 2002 Bucs , 2013 Seahawks. If Cousins was on the 49ers this past year they would have a good chance to go all the way. Only because they have an overall dominate team. pretty much how I see it as well, he can take a loaded team to the promised land, but he cant carry an offense or overcome a poor defense.But how many QB's can? Two? Three,maybe? Last year at this time, Josh Allen was probably one of them, But this year, not so much. So really we are basing this assumption off Mahomes and Hurts. Maybe Burrow.
If the opposing offense scores nearly every time they get the ball, you aren't going to win. If we had Mahomes as our QB, we wouldn't have made it to the Superbowl. But we may have beat the Giants.
@"wiviking" said:@"JimmyinSD" said:@"Still Hurtn" said: Here is my dilemma.... If Kirk was the Chiefs or Eagles QB last year neither team would be in the Super bowl. The team needs to build something similar to the 2002 Bucs , 2013 Seahawks. If Cousins was on the 49ers this past year they would have a good chance to go all the way. Only because they have an overall dominate team. pretty much how I see it as well, he can take a loaded team to the promised land, but he cant carry an offense or overcome a poor defense.But how many QB's can? Two? Three,maybe? Last year at this time, Josh Allen was probably one of them, But this year, not so much. So really we are basing this assumption off Mahomes and Hurts. Maybe Burrow.
If the opposing offense scores nearly every time they get the ball, you aren't going to win. If we had Mahomes as our QB, we wouldn't have made it to the Superbowl. But we may have beat the Giants.
there is a few, very few, but that is the reason right there why not to pay KC, or any QB that isnt in that top tier, top tier money. If any QB that needs a higher level of talent around them doesnt leave enough meat on the bone to be able to build that team around them... then what is the point? one and done playoffs dont do shit for me. I would rather sit through a bad season or two and have a better shot at quality draft picks and maybe assembling a team from them that has a legit shot at contending, than have "nice" seasons that dont result in anything.
@"JimmyinSD" said:@"wiviking" said:@"JimmyinSD" said:@"Still Hurtn" said: Here is my dilemma.... If Kirk was the Chiefs or Eagles QB last year neither team would be in the Super bowl. The team needs to build something similar to the 2002 Bucs , 2013 Seahawks. If Cousins was on the 49ers this past year they would have a good chance to go all the way. Only because they have an overall dominate team. pretty much how I see it as well, he can take a loaded team to the promised land, but he cant carry an offense or overcome a poor defense.But how many QB's can? Two? Three,maybe? Last year at this time, Josh Allen was probably one of them, But this year, not so much. So really we are basing this assumption off Mahomes and Hurts. Maybe Burrow.
If the opposing offense scores nearly every time they get the ball, you aren't going to win. If we had Mahomes as our QB, we wouldn't have made it to the Superbowl. But we may have beat the Giants.
there is a few, very few, but that is the reason right there why not to pay KC, or any QB that isnt in that top tier, top tier money. If any QB that needs a higher level of talent around them doesnt leave enough meat on the bone to be able to build that team around them... then what is the point? one and done playoffs dont do shit for me. I would rather sit through a bad season or two and have a better shot at quality draft picks and maybe assembling a team from them that has a legit shot at contending, than have "nice" seasons that dont result in anything.
We had more wins last year than the Chargers, Jags, and Bengals. I'd swap our entire roster with all of theirs no question, 99% of that decision based on the QB position. I know it's a team game but that position is so important. It's silly to keep saying well if we did (insert 10 things) correctly than our QB will thrive. For consistent success year over year you need a QB who can thrive when things aren't perfect. If you don't have one-- try to find one. Cut Kirk? Heck no. But the Mannions of the world have no place on the roster and it was embarrassing that RS thought they did. Gotta at least take a few stabs at competition at the most important position in sports.
@"Still Hurtn" said: Here is my dilemma.... If Kirk was the Chiefs or Eagles QB last year neither team would be in the Super bowl. The team needs to build something similar to the 2002 Bucs , 2013 Seahawks. If Cousins was on the 49ers this past year they would have a good chance to go all the way. Only because they have an overall dominate team.I would agree with that. If Kirk were the QB in KC or Philly, those teams probably would not have gotten as far as they did. That's how much Mahomes and Hurts bring to the table.
I also agree that if Cousins were the QB in San Fran, they'd be world champs right now.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/sports.yahoo.com/amphtml/trey-lance-trade-not-completely-193603135.html
Lynch made the comment that he thought Purdy "earned the right to start" moving forward. Interesting and I would not be surprised to see Lance traded here soon. Wondering with Kirk at a stalemate on his contract if any Cousins for Lance trade packages would be considered?
@"supafreak84" said: https://www.google.com/amp/s/sports.yahoo.com/amphtml/trey-lance-trade-not-completely-193603135.htmlLynch made the comment that he thought Purdy "earned the right to start" moving forward. Interesting and I would not be surprised to see Lance traded here soon. Wondering with Kirk at a stalemate on his contract if any Cousins for Lance trade packages would be considered?
Considered? Probably. What the 49ers would want in compensation is the key. And just how interested Minnesota or any team would be with Lance....which is a big question mark. In today's NFL, teams are moving on faster from potential QB busts than ever before.
Apparently Shannahan just confirmed at the owners meeting is its Brock Purdy's show and he is their starter. Lance and Darnold will compete to be the backup.also confirmed Purdy will be out after surgery up to 8 months and would probably miss the first month of the season. This 49ers QB carousel is crazy.
According to Mike Florio at Pro Football Talk, the 49ers inquired about a potential Kirk Cousins trade at the NFL Combine
@"supafreak84" said: According to Mike Florio at Pro Football Talk, the 49ers inquired about a potential Kirk Cousins trade at the NFL CombineThis was before they signed Sam Darnold. I suspect if this is true, the 49ers were gauging the Vikings interest in Trey Lance and were turned down.
@"MaroonBells" said:I don't think the Darnold signing does anything in the way of dissuading any potential trades for them. Darnold is now a journeyman backup QB and could just as easily be cut in training camp@"supafreak84" said: According to Mike Florio at Pro Football Talk, the 49ers inquired about a potential Kirk Cousins trade at the NFL Combine This was before they signed Sam Darnold. I suspect if this is true, the 49ers were gauging the Vikings interest in Trey Lance and were turned down.
the fact that the niners have come out in March, closer to the last season than the next season, and proclaimed a starter in a sense, tells me that they are blowing some major smoke, now maybe that has nothing to do with any rumors involving Cousins, but something seems off to be making those types of claims about a low drafted rookie QB coming off an injury that required surgery. sure the kid did a nice job, but was it really enough to proclaim him the starter over a highly drafted but raw guy they were going to run with, or a veteran that hasnt even been given a chance to get into the O, but has more starting experience than the other 2 combined? I dont buy it yet.
@"JimmyinSD" said: the fact that the niners have come out in March, closer to the last season than the next season, and proclaimed a starter in a sense, tells me that they are blowing some major smoke, now maybe that has nothing to do with any rumors involving Cousins, but something seems off to be making those types of claims about a low drafted rookie QB coming off an injury that required surgery. sure the kid did a nice job, but was it really enough to proclaim him the starter over a highly drafted but raw guy they were going to run with, or a veteran that hasnt even been given a chance to get into the O, but has more starting experience than the other 2 combined? I dont buy it yet.When Purdy started, their offense took off. He clearly was the best QB for them last year.
@"PurplePastor" said:yes, but they brought in a vet, they have a lot invested in lance, and in the grand scheme of things, Purdy is still as big a question mark as the other 2, why the rush to name him the starter? I just am not buying that they are that in love with the notion that he is the future of their franchise, as much as they want to let on that they are comfortable with what they have.@"JimmyinSD" said: the fact that the niners have come out in March, closer to the last season than the next season, and proclaimed a starter in a sense, tells me that they are blowing some major smoke, now maybe that has nothing to do with any rumors involving Cousins, but something seems off to be making those types of claims about a low drafted rookie QB coming off an injury that required surgery. sure the kid did a nice job, but was it really enough to proclaim him the starter over a highly drafted but raw guy they were going to run with, or a veteran that hasnt even been given a chance to get into the O, but has more starting experience than the other 2 combined? I dont buy it yet. When Purdy started, their offense took off. He clearly was the best QB for them last year.
@"supafreak84" said: According to Mike Florio at Pro Football Talk, the 49ers inquired about a potential Kirk Cousins trade at the NFL CombineHard to say what's what during the NFL offseason, but Minnesota can't trade Cousins: they have nothing behind him. Maybe that changes at the end of this month in the Draft, but still.......he's definitely going to be here for the 2023 season. As he should. And of course there's no guarantee whomever they might move up for or draft at the QB position will pan out. But I think Geoff said it early last week and I agree: they'd love to have a rookie QB contract to work with for a few years in the cap game. And they also want 'their' guy.
Like so many with Kirk Cousins: they like him and they appreciate him. Maybe even a lot. But they (current staff) don't love him. That's my opinion.
@"StickyBun" said:@"supafreak84" said: According to Mike Florio at Pro Football Talk, the 49ers inquired about a potential Kirk Cousins trade at the NFL Combine Hard to say what's what during the NFL offseason, but Minnesota can't trade Cousins: they have nothing behind him. Maybe that changes at the end of this month in the Draft, but still.......he's definitely going to be here for the 2023 season. As he should. And of course there's no guarantee whomever they might move up for or draft at the QB position will pan out. But I think Geoff said it early last week and I agree: they'd love to have a rookie QB contract to work with for a few years in the cap game. And they also want 'their' guy.Like so many with Kirk Cousins: they like him and they appreciate him. Maybe even a lot. But they (current staff) don't love him. That's my opinion.
Not true, you are either a Kirk hater or nut sucker.... read this board, there is no acceptable middle ground. :p
I can't see why the 49'ers would make this trade. They signed Darnold as a FA. If Purdy has to miss the start of the season, the rest of the 49'ers team is good enough that they can win with Darnold.
@"StickyBun" said:@"supafreak84" said: According to Mike Florio at Pro Football Talk, the 49ers inquired about a potential Kirk Cousins trade at the NFL Combine Hard to say what's what during the NFL offseason, but Minnesota can't trade Cousins: they have nothing behind him. Maybe that changes at the end of this month in the Draft, but still.......he's definitely going to be here for the 2023 season. As he should. And of course there's no guarantee whomever they might move up for or draft at the QB position will pan out. But I think Geoff said it early last week and I agree: they'd love to have a rookie QB contract to work with for a few years in the cap game. And they also want 'their' guy.Like so many with Kirk Cousins: they like him and they appreciate him. Maybe even a lot. But they (current staff) don't love him. That's my opinion.
I wouldn't put it that way. I think they do love him. I think that's especially true for KOC who really wants to see what Cousins does in year two of his offense. But they also know a dual threat QB would benefit this offense and that it would be wise to have the QBOTF in the pipeline before Cousins' age-related decline. And I don't think there's anyone on either side of the argument who would disagree with any of that.
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