Jets to move on from Wilson
https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/jets-expected-to-move-on-from-former-no-2-overall-pick-zach-wilson-this-offseason-per-report/
He's been really bad. But honestly, the kid was overrated coming out of college. The NFL is the league of 2nd and 3rd chances, but I wonder what anyone would give up for him. It won't be much and if the Jets ask too much, they'll end up with zero takers. I don't doubt there will be a handful of teams with interest, but honestly....if they are patient, what choice would the NYJ have ultimately other than cutting him outright? I think NFL teams are ready to cut bait much quicker on first round QB busts than at anytime in history.
I'd totally roll the dice on Wilson in Minnesota. Arm talent, athletic, can make all the throws...might just need some time in the right situation with the right coaching. It makes a difference. Look at Mayfield under McVay. The Jets are not, and we're never really set up to groom a young QB. Saleh is a defensive head coach and that staff doesn't have a lot of great offensive minds with any track record of success. Throw in Becton missing the season and Breece Hall getting hurt and it hasn't helped Wilson's cause. All their bigger injuries have been on the offensive side of the ball.
The Vikings need a real contingency plan at quarterback. Cousins is under contract for one more season where he will be 35 years old. I would love to have Wilson sit behind Cousins for a season learning, maturing, under the tutilidge of KOC. That would be a really ideal scenario for both Wilson and the Vikings. If he proves worthy then the job would be his in 2024
@"supafreak84" said: I'd totally roll the dice on Wilson in Minnesota. Arm talent, athletic, can make all the throws...might just need some time in the right situation with the right coaching. It makes a difference. Look at Mayfield under McVay. The Jets are not, and we're never really set up to groom a young QB. Saleh is a defensive head coach and that staff doesn't have a lot of great offensive minds with any track record of success. Throw in Becton missing the season and Breece Hall getting hurt and it hasn't helped Wilson's cause. All their bigger injuries have been on the offensive side of the ball.I'm convinced Wilson will never be a starter because the Jets are.The Vikings need a real contingency plan at quarterback. Cousins is under contract for one more season where he will be 35 years old. I would love to have Wilson sit behind Cousins for a season learning, maturing, under the tutilidge of KOC. That would be a really ideal scenario for both Wilson and the Vikings. If he proves worthy then the job would be his in 2024
Can teams be wrong? Sure, but in 50 years of watching this shit, I can't remember a single instance where a top 10 drafted QB was given up on by the team who drafted him and then went on to become the QB everyone expected somewhere else.
Yes, I'm aware of Brees, Gannon, etc. But those are totally different situations. Jets have given up on Wilson in only his 2nd season. That says a lot right there.
Now, all that said, you have to factor in the cost. I just don't want us to give up anything to kick his tires. But for a 7th? Heck, I'd bring in Ruth Buzzi for a 7th.
Jim Plunkett and Steve Young were a couple quarterbacks who revived their careers with new franchises after sucking early in their careers
@"MaroonBells" said:@"supafreak84" said: I'd totally roll the dice on Wilson in Minnesota. Arm talent, athletic, can make all the throws...might just need some time in the right situation with the right coaching. It makes a difference. Look at Mayfield under McVay. The Jets are not, and we're never really set up to groom a young QB. Saleh is a defensive head coach and that staff doesn't have a lot of great offensive minds with any track record of success. Throw in Becton missing the season and Breece Hall getting hurt and it hasn't helped Wilson's cause. All their bigger injuries have been on the offensive side of the ball.The Vikings need a real contingency plan at quarterback. Cousins is under contract for one more season where he will be 35 years old. I would love to have Wilson sit behind Cousins for a season learning, maturing, under the tutilidge of KOC. That would be a really ideal scenario for both Wilson and the Vikings. If he proves worthy then the job would be his in 2024I'm convinced Wilson will never be a starter because the Jets are.Can teams be wrong? Sure, but in 50 years of watching this shit, I can't remember a single instance where a top 10 drafted QB was given up on by the team who drafted him and then went on to become the QB everyone expected somewhere else.
Yes, I'm aware of Brees, Gannon, etc. But those are totally different situations. Jets have given up on Wilson in only his 2nd season. That says a lot right there.
Now, all that said, you have to factor in the cost. I just don't want us to give up anything to kick his tires. But for a 7th? Heck, I'd bring in Ruth Buzzi for a 7th.
I pretty much agree with all of this. The one x-factor is "New York". I am not going to put much weight in that basket but there are some weird circumstances where guys couldn't handle the largest media market in the US. The pressure is exponentially higher on a QB too. I would take him on a 6th/7th round pick. But there are teams more desperate who'll give up something half decent for hope.
To me, the Jets roster has deficiencies from both players (injuries) and coaches. So, getting an accurate read on Wilson's overall bust potential is difficult to gauge at this point. He'd have a much better shot at developing under KOC and with the Vikings personnel on offense than he ever would in New York.
@"MaroonBells" said:@"supafreak84" said: I'd totally roll the dice on Wilson in Minnesota. Arm talent, athletic, can make all the throws...might just need some time in the right situation with the right coaching. It makes a difference. Look at Mayfield under McVay. The Jets are not, and we're never really set up to groom a young QB. Saleh is a defensive head coach and that staff doesn't have a lot of great offensive minds with any track record of success. Throw in Becton missing the season and Breece Hall getting hurt and it hasn't helped Wilson's cause. All their bigger injuries have been on the offensive side of the ball.The Vikings need a real contingency plan at quarterback. Cousins is under contract for one more season where he will be 35 years old. I would love to have Wilson sit behind Cousins for a season learning, maturing, under the tutilidge of KOC. That would be a really ideal scenario for both Wilson and the Vikings. If he proves worthy then the job would be his in 2024I'm convinced Wilson will never be a starter because the Jets are.Can teams be wrong? Sure, but in 50 years of watching this shit, I can't remember a single instance where a top 10 drafted QB was given up on by the team who drafted him and then went on to become the QB everyone expected somewhere else.
Yes, I'm aware of Brees, Gannon, etc. But those are totally different situations. Jets have given up on Wilson in only his 2nd season. That says a lot right there.
Now, all that said, you have to factor in the cost. I just don't want us to give up anything to kick his tires. But for a 7th? Heck, I'd bring in Ruth Buzzi for a 7th.
The odds are extremely low that Zach will amount to anything. Some team will try. And fail. And wash, rinse and repeat in the NFL. This is very quick to yank a highly drafted QB and walk away (if that happens), so to your point, it must be even uglier behind the curtain.
@"supafreak84" said: Jim Plunkett and Steve Young were a couple quarterbacks who revived their careers with new franchises after sucking early in their careersPlunkett was rookie of the year and then was traded for three 1st rounders and a 2nd rounder. So...not hardly in the same category as ZW. But Young isn't a bad example.
@"Geoff Nichols" said:@"MaroonBells" said:@"supafreak84" said: I'd totally roll the dice on Wilson in Minnesota. Arm talent, athletic, can make all the throws...might just need some time in the right situation with the right coaching. It makes a difference. Look at Mayfield under McVay. The Jets are not, and we're never really set up to groom a young QB. Saleh is a defensive head coach and that staff doesn't have a lot of great offensive minds with any track record of success. Throw in Becton missing the season and Breece Hall getting hurt and it hasn't helped Wilson's cause. All their bigger injuries have been on the offensive side of the ball.The Vikings need a real contingency plan at quarterback. Cousins is under contract for one more season where he will be 35 years old. I would love to have Wilson sit behind Cousins for a season learning, maturing, under the tutilidge of KOC. That would be a really ideal scenario for both Wilson and the Vikings. If he proves worthy then the job would be his in 2024I'm convinced Wilson will never be a starter because the Jets are.Can teams be wrong? Sure, but in 50 years of watching this shit, I can't remember a single instance where a top 10 drafted QB was given up on by the team who drafted him and then went on to become the QB everyone expected somewhere else.
Yes, I'm aware of Brees, Gannon, etc. But those are totally different situations. Jets have given up on Wilson in only his 2nd season. That says a lot right there.
Now, all that said, you have to factor in the cost. I just don't want us to give up anything to kick his tires. But for a 7th? Heck, I'd bring in Ruth Buzzi for a 7th.
I pretty much agree with all of this. The one x-factor is "New York". I am not going to put much weight in that basket but there are some weird circumstances where guys couldn't handle the largest media market in the US. The pressure is exponentially higher on a QB too. I would take him on a 6th/7th round pick. But there are teams more desperate who'll give up something half decent for hope.
That's a good point about NYC.With Wilson (the other one) sucking out loud in Denver, no progress from Mac Jones, Justin Fields, or Trey Lance...and terrible QB situations in Carolina, New Orleans, Washington, Indy, Houston, etc., I agree, someone will overpay for Wilson.
But sending a high pick to the Jets pretty much prevents you from drafting a QB. You're not going to tell Wilson, "hey, we gave up a high pick for you, we believe in you," and then take a QB high in the draft. It's just hard to see a team believing in Wilson that much.
Watch, it will be Carolina, who helped out the Jets on their last QB failure by trading for Sam Darnold.
Wilson, Darnold, Sanchez, Pennington...all 1st rounders. Three were top 5 picks. But hey, the best QB they drafted (Geno in the 2nd) is still playing...for someone else.
@MaroonBells Plunkett started his career in New England and played there for five seasons. The team was 23-38 during his tenure, and he threw 62 TD's to 87 INT's at a 48% completion clip. He was not good and his team was not good.
Just goes to show you how much the game has changed though. Plunkett threw an obscene amount of INT's during his career and is considered a borderline Hall of Famer.
@"supafreak84" said: @MaroonBells Plunkett started his career in New England and played there for five seasons. The team was 23-38 during his tenure, and he threw 62 TD's to 87 INT's at a 48% completion clip. He was not good and his team was not good.Hold my beer.Just goes to show you how much the game has changed though. Plunkett threw an obscene amount of INT's during his career and is considered a borderline Hall of Famer.
@"supafreak84" said: @MaroonBells Plunkett started his career in New England and played there for five seasons. The team was 23-38 during his tenure, and he threw 62 TD's to 87 INT's at a 48% completion clip. He was not good and his team was not good.OK, but let's get back to what we're talking about here. Before the Patriots "gave up" on this epic bust, he was rookie of the year his 1st season, he was the passing title runner up his 3rd season and after his 5th season, he was traded for THREE 1st rounders and a 2nd rounder.Just goes to show you how much the game has changed though. Plunkett threw an obscene amount of INT's during his career and is considered a borderline Hall of Famer.
I think the Zach Wilson situation might be just a tiny bit different.
If Zach can land in the right situation, ie a team that coaches to a QB, he will be a find. Has way too many tools and only 22. I felt bad for him on draft day.
@"kmillard" said: If Zach can land in the right situation, ie a team that coaches to a QB, he will be a find. Has way too many tools and only 22. I felt bad for him on draft day.
@"kmillard" said: If Zach can land in the right situation, ie a team that coaches to a QB, he will be a find. Has way too many tools and only 22. I felt bad for him on draft day.I think first zach has to show some personal growth, something that tells a team that he recognizes his chances are limited and that he is ready to take on the role of a mentee and have the humility to use it to make himself a better football player so his many tools dont go to waste like has happened to so many other youngsters with a once bright future.
He has the lowest ELO of any QB in NFL history, I heard this morning.
@"comet52" said: He has the lowest ELO of any QB in NFL history, I heard this morning.
& I can’t get it out of my head… ;) B)
@"JimmyinSD" said:yes, he needs to want to suceed as well otherwise will just be another who couldn’t make it.@"kmillard" said: If Zach can land in the right situation, ie a team that coaches to a QB, he will be a find. Has way too many tools and only 22. I felt bad for him on draft day.@"kmillard" said: If Zach can land in the right situation, ie a team that coaches to a QB, he will be a find. Has way too many tools and only 22. I felt bad for him on draft day.I think first zach has to show some personal growth, something that tells a team that he recognizes his chances are limited and that he is ready to take on the role of a mentee and have the humility to use it to make himself a better football player so his many tools dont go to waste like has happened to so many other youngsters with a once bright future.
If I was Wilson and his family, I'd be VERY selective for my next spot. Look at the organization, culture, staff....he needs to take one step back to possibly move 2 forward. I wouldn't look at opportunity to play as much as 'what can I learn to improve and where can I do it' with an organization that is solid.
@"StickyBun" said: If I was Wilson and his family, I'd be VERY selective for my next spot. Look at the organization, culture, staff....he needs to take one step back to possibly move 2 forward. I wouldn't look at opportunity to play as much as 'what can I learn to improve and where can I do it' with an organization that is solid.That right there would tell me if he's worth the risk. My pitch would be we are bringing you in to compete for the #2 job for the next year or two, and that is your expected role, if he doesn't seem eager for the opportunity, then he would be a hard pass right there.
@"StickyBun" said: If I was Wilson and his family, I'd be VERY selective for my next spot.How many junior level spring leagues are there for him to select from?
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