Vikings to get involved at the trade deadline?

@"StickyBun" said: They are 5-1 now. Might make some sense for them to consider something now.

The offense shit the bed today but I dont see us doing anything there. 

Someone mentioned this today and thought we need a Tight End.  i have heard several times that the Panthers are going to be a very likely seller.

Maybe I’m remembering more failed TE plays than successful ones, but that position could stand an upgrade. 

I think the biggest needs are DL help with the front 3 and TE.  Not a fan of Smith, nothing about his game looks like a traditional TE, he seems like an average #4 WR and not much depth.  

The Vikings head into their bye week with a 5-1 record and enjoy the distinction of being the only NFL team with a two-game division lead through six weeks. They will play one more game — at home against the 2-4 Cardinals — before the NFL trade deadline on Nov. 1. No matter what happens between now and then, the Vikings are guaranteed to be atop the NFC North when the deadline hits.
Which leads us to our big Vikings question of the week: If they wanted to add to their roster at the trade deadline, could they afford to do it?
The answer, for the moment, is no. But the Vikings might have a few options to change that.
According to NFL Players Association salary data, the Vikings and Chiefs are the only teams with less than $1 million in cap space; the union's current figures put the Vikings with $147,868 in open space, while Over the Cap calculates the number to be around $655,000. The other trick for the Vikings is their 2023 cap; they've already got more than $221 million in cap costs scheduled for next year. That number figures to drop with roster moves or restructures for a few veterans after the season, but assuming a 2023 cap around $225 million, the Vikings still aren't likely to have a reserve of open cap space.The simplest maneuver for them to create more space between now and Nov. 1 would be to convert a veteran player's base salary to a signing bonus, which the Vikings could spread out over the final years of the player's deal. This can be accomplished simply by notifying the player with a letter, and could make sense for a player like right tackle Brian O'Neill, who turned 27 last month, has allowed only three sacks since the beginning of 2021 and has $26 million guaranteed through 2024. O'Neill isn't going anywhere in the near future, and the Vikings could clear up to $3.3 million in cap space by converting O'Neill's base to a signing bonus, pushing just over $800,000 into each of the next four years.
If the Vikings wanted to clear space through an extension, one idea could involve a player on the other side of the ball.
Defensive lineman Dalvin Tomlinson has been a bright spot for the Vikings defense in his shift from a 4-3 tackle to a 3-4 end this year. The former state high school wrestling champion has used the balance and hand-fighting skills that former defensive coordinator Andre Patterson saw in him; his career high for pressures in a season is 28, per Pro Football Focus, but he already has 15 this year.
When the Vikings signed Tomlinson last year, they gave him a two-year deal that included void years from 2023-25 to deal with his $12.5 million signing bonus. At the moment, the 28-year-old Tomlinson is set to be a free agent after the season, while the Vikings carry $7.5 million in dead money for him next year. If they were to instead sign him to an extension, they could spread the previous signing bonus charges over the life of the new deal and possibly lower his cap numbers for both 2022 and 2023.
To this point, the Vikings have fulfilled the "super-competitive" expectation for the 2022 season co-owner Mark Wilf stated when the team fired Rick Spielman and Mike Zimmer on Jan. 10. They've done it in ways that suggest they still need to improve, but they still have six home games and four matchups with losing teams after the bye. A return to the playoffs for the first time since 2019 seems like a reasonable possibility.
https://www.startribune.com/vikings-big-question-salary-cap-trade-deadline-brian-oneill-dalvin-tomlinson/600216694/

I don't know who would be available that we could reasonably get at a position of need.  Plus we're tight against the cap and don't have many draft picks next year (think we have our 1st, 2nd, 3rd, and 5th and may get a comp pick or two).

I think the Vikings should stand pat and see where this squad takes us.  It's tough to acquire players in-season in the NFL and see immediate returns.

We need CB help but are unlikely to get anyone worth signing. I guess you could make a case for a TE?   But I dont see that happening either. 

ESPN put out a list of names that could be shopped before the deadline. The one name that stood out to me for the Vikings is Derrick Brown from Carolina. I think getting help along our interior defensive line is by far our biggest need and he is a stud. Wouldn't come cheap though...

Of  the Vikings final 11 games, 6 are @ HOME.

Even if they go 5-6 to finish the season at 10-7  it's very unlikely their pick will be in the Top 20.

@"Mattyman" said:

Of  the Vikings final 11 games, 6 are @ HOME.

Even if they go 5-6 to finish the season at 10-7  it's very unlikely their pick will be in the Top 20.

LA has traded pretty much every first round pick they have had for the last decade and its worked out for them.

Get Brown and put him on the DL or get Burns and put Hunter on the DL.  Either way it's an upgrade in run stuffing and QB pressure

@"Skodin" said:

@"Mattyman" said:

Of  the Vikings final 11 games, 6 are @ HOME.

Even if they go 5-6 to finish the season at 10-7  it's very unlikely their pick will be in the Top 20.

This exactly.  I would gladly trade a pick in the 20s (or 30s) for a Derrick Brown or a Brian Burns from Carolina.  Not only can you get a young player with a lot of upside, but you also push down the value of the pick you dealt.

LA has traded pretty much every first round pick they have had for the last decade and its worked out for them.

Get Brown and put him on the DL or get Burns and put Hunter on the DL.  Either way it's an upgrade in run stuffing and QB pressure

@"Skodin" said:

@"Mattyman" said:

Of  the Vikings final 11 games, 6 are @ HOME.

Even if they go 5-6 to finish the season at 10-7  it's very unlikely their pick will be in the Top 20.

This exactly.  I would gladly trade a pick in the 20s (or 30s) for a Derrick Brown or a Brian Burns from Carolina.  Not only can you get a young player with a lot of upside, but you also push down the value of the pick you dealt.

LA has traded pretty much every first round pick they have had for the last decade and its worked out for them.

Get Brown and put him on the DL or get Burns and put Hunter on the DL.  Either way it's an upgrade in run stuffing and QB pressure

@"pattersaur" said:

@"Skodin" said:

@"Mattyman" said:

Of  the Vikings final 11 games, 6 are @ HOME.

Even if they go 5-6 to finish the season at 10-7  it's very unlikely their pick will be in the Top 20.

This exactly.  I would gladly trade a pick in the 20s (or 30s) for a Derrick Brown or a Brian Burns from Carolina.  Not only can you get a young player with a lot of upside, but you also push down the value of the pick you dealt.

LA has traded pretty much every first round pick they have had for the last decade and its worked out for them.

Get Brown and put him on the DL or get Burns and put Hunter on the DL.  Either way it's an upgrade in run stuffing and QB pressure

The hangup with this plan is that you're not only trading the 1st round pick, you've now iced yourself out of the QB market so you're also essentially committing to extending Cousins, once again with zero leverage. You now also have in a way punted the 2023 draft class considering how few picks we'd have left. Lastly, Burns is slated to make $16M next year. They'd definitely have to get him extended right away or else it could be an Ngakoue-esque disaster. For reference, $16M would be the second highest cap hit on the team if it were this season, and currently would be the 5th highest in 2023.
It can be done, but it's an "all-in" move. Does KAM think we're close enough to do that? I'll say maybe, but it's a tough call. We aren't the Yankees with an unlimited budget adding one more arm at the deadline or something like that. For the Vikings, it'd be a big risk. I do not think trading away a first is likely, but it's a new regime so I guess who knows.

I like the idea of trading for younger players who already have experience and can play. Draft picks are fun on draft night, but as we know they are not sure things.

Winner ^^^^

I think the odds are against it but it seems like they might be making room for an addition. They currently have a roster spot open. 

Lotta buzz, mostly fake, but some serious, that the Vikings may want to bring in OBJ.

I'm for making a big move, but I don't see how this makes any sense at all. Vikings need defense, a run stopper, a pass rusher, a corner maybe....not another damn receiver. 

@"kmillard" said: I like the idea of trading for younger players who already have experience and can play. Draft picks are fun on draft night, but as we know they are not sure things.

We talk about how long it takes players to reach their potential in new systems... maybe whoever we trade for can step right in and contribute,  but I have to think that first round pick would have more long term value as a draft pick then as a one or two year rental picked up at the trade deadline considering it will take most of that first year to get acclimated and most rookie deals are still a pretty good cap hit on the back end.

It would have to be a damn good fit at a definite position of need for me to get on board.

@"MaroonBells" said:

@"Skodin" said:

@"Mattyman" said:

Of  the Vikings final 11 games, 6 are @ HOME.

Even if they go 5-6 to finish the season at 10-7  it's very unlikely their pick will be in the Top 20.

This exactly.  I would gladly trade a pick in the 20s (or 30s) for a Derrick Brown or a Brian Burns from Carolina.  Not only can you get a young player with a lot of upside, but you also push down the value of the pick you dealt.

LA has traded pretty much every first round pick they have had for the last decade and its worked out for them.

Get Brown and put him on the DL or get Burns and put Hunter on the DL.  Either way it's an upgrade in run stuffing and QB pressure

This! I keep hearing about corner depth and backup tight ends. Fuck that. At 5-1, we're probably going to make the playoffs. So go for it. It's what the Rams did last year. At the trade deadline, they brought in Von Miller. Couple days later they signed OBJ. IOW, they went for it. And they won the Super Bowl. 

Derrick Brown or Brian Burns would be the kind of players I'd be looking at. Someone who can help take us over the top. They'll cost more in trade than Von Miller did (a 2nd and a 3rd), but there's a good reason for that. They're young, very good, and on rookie contracts. 

I "get" Von Miller. He was super expensive and 32 when the Broncos traded him. But I will never understand why teams "rebuild" by moving good, young, cheap players--but you know what they say about a fool and his money.