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#1 · Sep 13, 2:08 PM
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I say try and make Hurts play QB. Make some good throws. Keep him contained as much as possible. Easier said that done for sure. 

#2 · Sep 13, 2:09 PM
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@"StickyBun" said: I say try and make Hurts play QB. Make some good throws. Keep him contained as much as possible. Easier said that done for sure. 


Containment is the key like you said. Make him beat you with his arm.

#3 · Sep 13, 2:22 PM
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@"1VikesFan" said:
@"StickyBun" said: I say try and make Hurts play QB. Make some good throws. Keep him contained as much as possible. Easier said that done for sure. 


Containment is the key like you said. Make him beat you with his arm.


Yep, spy him. It will be hard for them to beat us without his running. Happy we get them after putting something on film. 

#4 · Sep 13, 2:41 PM
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Eagles just signed Janarius Robinson to their active roster. Coincidence? I think not...

#5 · Sep 13, 3:23 PM
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@"supafreak84" said: Eagles just signed Janarius Robinson to their active roster. Coincidence? I think not...
Appears the Iggles might be a little concerned...
#6 · Sep 13, 3:28 PM
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With Danielle and Z on the edges, they are too smart to not contain.  Force Hurts to play QB.  

Just like we did with Aaron, those sacks, they were coverage sacks.  All sacks only rushed 4, the challenge was knowing where the 4 is was coming from

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@"supafreak84" said: Eagles just signed Janarius Robinson to their active roster. Coincidence? I think not...
Their stud DE just went down with an ACL.
#8 · Sep 13, 4:59 PM
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@"greediron" said:
@"supafreak84" said: Eagles just signed Janarius Robinson to their active roster. Coincidence? I think not...
Their stud DE just went down with an ACL.
Yep,  he went to IR, so they were hurting at the position,  so why not grab a young cheap stud who happens to have information on your next opponent and possible NFC title contender.
#9 · Sep 13, 5:22 PM
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Trips out to Philly haven't been kind to Vikings fans. This time should be different. Stack the box, send a few blitzes, and put a fleet footed spy on Hurts. This coaching staff will have a plan to stop the run and force Hurts to win with his arm. This game should go the Vikings way.

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@"jargomcfargo" said: Trips out to Philly haven't been kind to Vikings fans. This time should be different. Stack the box, send a few blitzes, and put a fleet footed spy on Hurts. This coaching staff will have a plan to stop the run and force Hurts to win with his arm. This game should go the Vikings way.
Many Philly fans are f#cking degenerate nut jobs. Would love to shove a big loss right up their asses. 

#11 · Sep 14, 4:59 AM
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@"jargomcfargo" said: Trips out to Philly haven't been kind to Vikings fans. This time should be different. Stack the box, send a few blitzes, and put a fleet footed spy on Hurts. This coaching staff will have a plan to stop the run and force Hurts to win with his arm. This game should go the Vikings way.
Feel like Asamoah is going to get a bit more playing time to chase down Hurts.
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@"Wetlander" said:
@"jargomcfargo" said: Trips out to Philly haven't been kind to Vikings fans. This time should be different. Stack the box, send a few blitzes, and put a fleet footed spy on Hurts. This coaching staff will have a plan to stop the run and force Hurts to win with his arm. This game should go the Vikings way.
Feel like Asamoah is going to get a bit more playing time to chase down Hurts.
Athletically, hell yes. That would be the dude. I just wonder where he is mentally in this defense as a rookie. Might be too much of a liability yet. Maybe safer in week 8 or 9. But to your point: KOC said the personnel will match the opponent. So maybe?
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Eagles’ Jordan Davis made an even bigger impact than his frame in Week 1
Jordan Davis is larger than life. But even with massive expectations, he lived up to the hype in his 22 snaps. Now, he needs more on his plate.
September 14, 2022

When the Philadelphia Eagles selected the 6-foot-6, 340-pound, 4.78-40-yard-dash running Jordan Davis from the University of Georgia, the nightmares for NFC East offensive linemen began. The Bulldogs’ defensive tackle was a unicorn. While he didn’t play with the pure, unadulterated strength of Vita Vea, his explosiveness would have been shocking at a weight 40 pounds lighter.
The knock on the big fella would have been that he only played 38% of the defensive snapsfor Georgia a season ago. But one look at Georgia’s defensive splits with him on the field vs. off proved how insanely valuable he was. And against the Detroit Lions, that on/off split was comically different.
Flat out, Jordan Davis needs to play moreAccording to Tim McManus of ESPN, the Lions averaged 2.9 yards per carry on 14 carries with Davis on the field and 10 yards on 14 carries with him off the field. Yes, those are slightly skewed because of some goal-line usage, but the tape tells a straightforward story.
So let’s let it.

To take this a step further, not only should Davis play more, the Eagles’ base defensive front should be the five-man front they deployed against Detroit with Davis on the field. Philadelphia can mix things up, particularly on obvious passing downs, but their four-man fronts were hilariously outclassed on Sunday against the run.
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The above video isn’t even one of the better examples of Philadelphia’s struggles in an even front on Sunday. However, it does show how the even front makes linebacker play more complicated. Here, T.J. Edwards sits in the A-gap at the snap because Milton Williams looks to be controlling the B-gap. But as Deandre Swift presses the line, Williams push-pulls to make a play, abandoning his gap and leaving a runway on the backside the size of LaGuardia airport.
To say that Philadelphia struggled with gap integrity would be disrespectful to the word struggle. It was practically non-existent, making the linebacker’s and defensive back’s jobs at the second and third levels nearly impossible.
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Opting for the odd front on early downs does a few things to help the defense. First, it makes running between the C gaps incredibly difficult, especially when the two exterior tackles in the 50 front aren’t sprinting upfield like they’re running the 40-yard dash (which happened a few times in even fronts versus Detroit).
A young man like Davis is a force multiplier. Not only is he a playmaker, but his mere presence on the defensive interior also requires two bodies off the snap to account for him. And by nature, having the down linemen covering in some manner guard to guard makes the job easier for an underwhelming linebacking corps.
Eagles must be careful with this against the VikingsOne of the dangers of the five-man front was seen when Green Bay visited Minnesota. Kevin O’Connell toyed with formations and motions to ensure Justin Jefferson occasionally was lined up against a rushing linebacker a few times.
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Justin Jefferson will get his. He was already arguably the best receiver in the NFL, and now he’s in an offensive attack that looks to utilize him like Sean McVay does Cooper Kupp. They’ll toy with formations and motions until they get their preferred matchup.
But on early downs, Philadelphia must stop the run. Minnesota’s offensive line looked much better against Green Bay than it had a season ago running the ball. However, the offensive line is athletic and a bit undersized aside from left tackle Christian Darrisaw. The idea of Garrett Bradbury versus Davis should have Jonathan Gannon salivating.
But even when Davis’s conditioning doesn’t allow him to be on the field, the Eagles should still consider going with an odd front. And if his conditioning allows it, there’s no reason why Davis wouldn’t see about half of the team’s defensive snaps on Monday Night Football.
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One more for good luck.

#14 · Sep 16, 7:02 PM
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We should have stayed at 17 and taken Jordan Davis.  

#15 · Sep 16, 7:10 PM
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J Davis  vs. Bradbury isn't gonna be painful  to watch. 

#16 · Sep 16, 8:23 PM
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Not sure I'm feeling bullish on this one...

I dont have a handle on our D and the RPO is going to be a difficult defend. 

#17 · Sep 17, 5:59 AM
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@"Mattyman" said: J Davis  vs. Bradbury isn't gonna be painful  to watch. 


There are a handful of teams who will hurt us with their pass rushing big uglies.  This not one of them.

Davis is awesome....against the run. He rarely plays on passing downs and when he did in Detroit he wasn't particularly impressive. He'll get better though. I think he's a better pass rusher than his usage would suggest.

Fletcher Cox is their inside pass rusher and he's good at it, but he's also 31 and isn't quite the player he was 5 years ago. He also struggles stopping the run. What's more, he's not the kind of fatty Bradbury historically struggles with anyway.

The player we need to worry most about is the guy we beat least week. 2nd and 3rd on that list (IMO) would be Hicks and Vea...who are now on the same damn team. Yeah, holy shit. 

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Just found out this game is the 2nd of a double header. Monday night games are bad enough, but the 2nd of a double header is the red-headed step child of these, the racist, Q-ball step-uncle at Thanksgiving of these. God I wish they'd stop doing it. 

They did improve it a little by having the games overlap. The 2nd game now starts right around the time the 1st game is going to halftime. Still, that's an 8:30 start on the east coast. Hope you east coasters are ready to be up until midnight...on a freaking Monday night. 

#19 · Sep 17, 9:29 AM
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@"MaroonBells" said: Just found out this game is the 2nd of a double header. Monday night games are bad enough, but the 2nd of a double header is the red-headed step child of these, the racist, Q-ball step-uncle at Thanksgiving of these. God I wish they'd stop doing it. 

They did improve it a little by having the games overlap. The 2nd game now starts right around the time the 1st game is going to halftime. Still, that's an 8:30 start on the east coast. Hope you east coasters are ready to be up until midnight...on a freaking Monday night. 


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@"savannahskol" said:
Eagles’ Jordan Davis made an even bigger impact than his frame in Week 1
Jordan Davis is larger than life. But even with massive expectations, he lived up to the hype in his 22 snaps. Now, he needs more on his plate.
September 14, 2022

When the Philadelphia Eagles selected the 6-foot-6, 340-pound, 4.78-40-yard-dash running Jordan Davis from the University of Georgia, the nightmares for NFC East offensive linemen began. The Bulldogs’ defensive tackle was a unicorn. While he didn’t play with the pure, unadulterated strength of Vita Vea, his explosiveness would have been shocking at a weight 40 pounds lighter.
The knock on the big fella would have been that he only played 38% of the defensive snapsfor Georgia a season ago. But one look at Georgia’s defensive splits with him on the field vs. off proved how insanely valuable he was. And against the Detroit Lions, that on/off split was comically different.
Flat out, Jordan Davis needs to play moreAccording to Tim McManus of ESPN, the Lions averaged 2.9 yards per carry on 14 carries with Davis on the field and 10 yards on 14 carries with him off the field. Yes, those are slightly skewed because of some goal-line usage, but the tape tells a straightforward story.
So let’s let it.

To take this a step further, not only should Davis play more, the Eagles’ base defensive front should be the five-man front they deployed against Detroit with Davis on the field. Philadelphia can mix things up, particularly on obvious passing downs, but their four-man fronts were hilariously outclassed on Sunday against the run.
Video Player
The above video isn’t even one of the better examples of Philadelphia’s struggles in an even front on Sunday. However, it does show how the even front makes linebacker play more complicated. Here, T.J. Edwards sits in the A-gap at the snap because Milton Williams looks to be controlling the B-gap. But as Deandre Swift presses the line, Williams push-pulls to make a play, abandoning his gap and leaving a runway on the backside the size of LaGuardia airport.
To say that Philadelphia struggled with gap integrity would be disrespectful to the word struggle. It was practically non-existent, making the linebacker’s and defensive back’s jobs at the second and third levels nearly impossible.
Video Player
Opting for the odd front on early downs does a few things to help the defense. First, it makes running between the C gaps incredibly difficult, especially when the two exterior tackles in the 50 front aren’t sprinting upfield like they’re running the 40-yard dash (which happened a few times in even fronts versus Detroit).
A young man like Davis is a force multiplier. Not only is he a playmaker, but his mere presence on the defensive interior also requires two bodies off the snap to account for him. And by nature, having the down linemen covering in some manner guard to guard makes the job easier for an underwhelming linebacking corps.
Eagles must be careful with this against the VikingsOne of the dangers of the five-man front was seen when Green Bay visited Minnesota. Kevin O’Connell toyed with formations and motions to ensure Justin Jefferson occasionally was lined up against a rushing linebacker a few times.
Video Player
Justin Jefferson will get his. He was already arguably the best receiver in the NFL, and now he’s in an offensive attack that looks to utilize him like Sean McVay does Cooper Kupp. They’ll toy with formations and motions until they get their preferred matchup.
But on early downs, Philadelphia must stop the run. Minnesota’s offensive line looked much better against Green Bay than it had a season ago running the ball. However, the offensive line is athletic and a bit undersized aside from left tackle Christian Darrisaw. The idea of Garrett Bradbury versus Davis should have Jonathan Gannon salivating.
But even when Davis’s conditioning doesn’t allow him to be on the field, the Eagles should still consider going with an odd front. And if his conditioning allows it, there’s no reason why Davis wouldn’t see about half of the team’s defensive snaps on Monday Night Football.
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One more for good luck.


Other than Bradbury, there is nothing undersized about the Viking's O-line. And even our favorite whipping boy bulked up somewhat. 

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