Newman wasn't impressed

Flipper?

Isn’t that special…!?  ;) B)  

@"IDVikingfan" said: Flipper?

I'm guessing defilippo. 

You don't usually leave a trail of guys taking shots at you from behind unless you really are a total dickwad.

You can see the last year and a half Z ratcheted up the cranky and belligerent demeanor. Zimmer did have some things happen that were out of his control and IMO it pissed him off and made him much more toxic than maybe he was earlier in his tenure with Minnesota. Newman was as big a Z advocate as there was, so this is very telling. I'm not surprised. A change was very necessary. 

@"JimmyinSD" said: There's still a few thinking it wasn't Zimmer that derailed the team the last few years,  often talking about his former players that came to play for him in minny as evidence.  None were likely more a Zimmer guy then T Newman and he is quoted here as describing the last few years here as toxic ( i assume he is taking that from former teammates that were still with the team )  the fact that Spielman allowed this type of environment to continue is likely the number 1 reason he was let go as well.

A former unnnamed coordinator refers to zim as "Satan ",  anybody want to bet it was flipper?

https://www.si.com/fannation/bringmethesports/.amp/vikings/former-vikings-coordinator-allegedly-referred-to-mike-zimmer-as-satan

Probably Flip, but Norv had good cause too. 

didn't just about every OC here have good cause?

Stories and tales like this are just confirming of a by-gone era for me.

Glad to be moving on, and I wish Mike well. 

At some point he'll speak to the press/fans regarding his tenure here. That should be fun stuff. 

@"purplefaithful" said: didn't just about every OC here have good cause?

Stories and tales like this are just confirming of a by-gone era for me.

Glad to be moving on, and I wish Mike well. 

At some point he'll speak to the press/fans regarding his tenure here. That should be fun stuff. 

I would say it was pretty much flipper and norm.   The rest left on their own terms,  unless you are referring to Zims unwavering insistence to be a run first team in a pass favored game.

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"purplefaithful" said: didn't just about every OC here have good cause?

Stories and tales like this are just confirming of a by-gone era for me.

Glad to be moving on, and I wish Mike well. 

At some point he'll speak to the press/fans regarding his tenure here. That should be fun stuff. 

I would say it was pretty much flipper and norm.   The rest left on their own terms,  unless you are referring to Zims unwavering insistence to be a run first team in a pass favored game.

@"purplefaithful" said:

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"purplefaithful" said: didn't just about every OC here have good cause?

Stories and tales like this are just confirming of a by-gone era for me.

Glad to be moving on, and I wish Mike well. 

At some point he'll speak to the press/fans regarding his tenure here. That should be fun stuff. 

I would say it was pretty much flipper and norm.   The rest left on their own terms,  unless you are referring to Zims unwavering insistence to be a run first team in a pass favored game.

The one I regret the most was Shurmur leaving...Can't help but wonder "what if" if he had stuck around longer...

Speaking of the Giants, Daboll is getting lots of good national press for the coaching staff he put together.

I think things changed in Zimmer's approach after the death of Sporano and his eye issues.  Thing went really downhill with COVID-19.  There were many signs of discontent, even the above Newman bowing out of pursuit of coaching. 

It remains to be seen whether the culture of collaboration will ultimately be more successful in the only metric that counts; wins. It is the more intellectual approach to winning that gives me hope. If better player relationships and interactions occur, it is a bonus. But winning seems to ease the indignation of harsh coaching.
Why can't we thank Zimmer for the good things he did and move on?

@"jargomcfargo" said: It remains to be seen whether the culture of collaboration will ultimately be more successful in the only metric that counts; wins. It is the more intellectual approach to winning that gives me hope. If better player relationships and interactions occur, it is a bonus. But winning seems to ease the indignation of harsh coaching. Why can't we thank Zimmer for the good things he did and move on?

Harsh coaching is one thing.....winning helps, but it still gets old. But if you are going to compare harsh coaching to Bill Belichick, well its really not a good comparison. His winning in the NFL is so prolific, he's absolutely beyond reproach. And although he's gruff, its more about system orientation than anything.

Dark horse candidate for the anonymous former #Vikings coordinator who referred to Mike Zimmer as “Satan”…

Former Vikings special teams coach Marwan Maalouf

Who remembers this from 2020? pic.twitter.com/ANTFilqbZE

— Adam Patrick (@adampatrickNFL) September 6, 2022

You'd think if Zimmer was Satan, then for sure hell must have frozen over and thus we would have our superbowl.

@"purplefaithful" said: didn't just about every OC here have good cause?

Stories and tales like this are just confirming of a by-gone era for me.

Glad to be moving on, and I wish Mike well. 

At some point he'll speak to the press/fans regarding his tenure here. That should be fun stuff. 

The rest took head coaching jobs because of their success.  So I assume Shumur, Stef and the Kubiak fam weren't that critical.  

Norv Turner resigned as offensive coordinator in the middle of a season when we were 5-2 and in first place. He may have said he respected Zim when leaving, but if true he wouldn’t have been going. 
If I were to guess, Norv is the origin of the “Satan” comment. Based on the totality of what we’ve learned since his firing, the sentiment seems to be held by many. 

@"Havoc1649" said: Norv Turner resigned as offensive coordinator in the middle of a season when we were 5-2 and in first place. He may have said he respected Zim when leaving, but if true he wouldn’t have been going. 

If I were to guess, Norv is the origin of the “Satan” comment. Based on the totality of what we’ve learned since his firing, the sentiment seems to be held by many. 

I think Norv is to classy for that this kind of shit,  he may have thought it,,  but i dont think he says it to anyone that would leak it.My money is still on defillipo.

Something that I think rarely works in Sports is when one thing doesn’t work, go to the complete opposite. I hope everything improves leaps and bounds, but I wouldn’t be surprised if the team continues to lose close games. They’ve apparently gone from one extreme to the other. The comment in the article that gets me is at the Thielen quote about waiting to be cursed out and now they don’t have that after something goes wrong. It states that the team should handle adversity better now. Hopefully players can leave a mistake behind and make the play the next time, but maybe they actually won’t be ready to handle the heat because it’s been a little too rainbows, sunshine, and happiness.
Kwesi and Kevin seem so laid back. What if they didn’t prepare the team enough? I think I’m in the minority, but I don’t like how easy it was for them to not play the starters this preseason when the whole offense and defense are completely different schemes. The Bills played Josh Allen. I understand wanting to come out preseason health, but If Allen can go out, why can’t the Vikings do the same?

End of the negative rant. I apologize. 

@"SkolVikings44" said: Something that I think rarely works in Sports is when one thing doesn’t work, go to the complete opposite. I hope everything improves leaps and bounds, but I wouldn’t be surprised if the team continues to lose close games. They’ve apparently gone from one extreme to the other. The comment in the article that gets me is at the Thielen quote about waiting to be cursed out and now they don’t have that after something goes wrong. It states that the team should handle adversity better now. Hopefully players can leave a mistake behind and make the play the next time, but maybe they actually won’t be ready to handle the heat because it’s been a little too rainbows, sunshine, and happiness. Kwesi and Kevin seem so laid back. What if they didn’t prepare the team enough? I think I’m in the minority, but I don’t like how easy it was for them to not play the starters this preseason when the whole offense and defense are completely different schemes. The Bills played Josh Allen. I understand wanting to come out preseason health, but If Allen can go out, why can’t the Vikings do the same?

End of the negative rant. I apologize. 

Definitely a legit argument. Like I've said before, I see both sides. But keep in mind that Allen is the exception. Most teams sat their key starters.

And we all know that if one of JJ, Kirk, Hunter or Dalvin were to go down, all holy hellfire would break loose in the criticism of the coaches for playing their starters in meaningless games.