Remmers is getting destroyed

@"PSBLAKE" said: i think Boone should be benched

He is fast becoming one of my least favorite players. Loudmouth backup. 

@"PSBLAKE" said: i think Boone should be benched

Why?  What in the last game did you see regarding Boone's play that makes you say this?  It's all I was reading yesterday, so last night I watched every one of his plays in slow-mo and he was probably our best linemen of the starting unit.  It was our right side that got destroyed.  He didn't give up a pressure, sack or TFL.  His guy never touched the QB, nor was he ever pushed back into the QB.  The QB was pushed into him though.  He did miss one downfield block on a running play, but that's going to happen from time to time when you pit an OL guy against a LB, S or CB.  Even on his missed block, his guy didn't make a difference with the result of the play.  I get that some people don't like his mouth, but there is absolutely nothing from this game that anyone can pin on him or blame him for.  If you want to unleash some venom, I suggest doing so on the right side of the line.  Remmers was brutal, Berger a step better than brutal, whatever that is.      

@"AllBS" said:

@"PSBLAKE" said: i think Boone should be benched

I get that some people don't like his mouth, but there is absolutely nothing from this game that anyone can pin on him or blame him for.  If you want to unleash some venom, I suggest doing so on the right side of the line.  Remmers was brutal, Berger a step better than brutal, whatever that is.      

@"AllBS" said:

@"PSBLAKE" said: i think Boone should be benched

Why?  What in the last game did you see regarding Boone's play that makes you say this?  It's all I was reading yesterday, so last night I watched every one of his plays in slow-mo and he was probably our best linemen of the starting unit.  It was our right side that got destroyed.  He didn't give up a pressure, sack or TFL.  His guy never touched the QB, nor was he ever pushed back into the QB.  The QB was pushed into him though.  He did miss one downfield block on a running play, but that's going to happen from time to time when you pit an OL guy against a LB, S or CB.  Even on his missed block, his guy didn't make a difference with the result of the play.  I get that some people don't like his mouth, but there is absolutely nothing from this game that anyone can pin on him or blame him for.  If you want to unleash some venom, I suggest doing so on the right side of the line.  Remmers was brutal, Berger a step better than brutal, whatever that is.      

@"JimmyinSD" said:

I agree on the right side,  I am appreciative of Berger history and his flexibility,  but he is not a starter at G.  Remmers is a pride pill that Spielman needs to swallow pretty quickly. 

However Boones deficiencies IMO arent really in pass pro,  its in the run game,  he get almost no push on his own,  and often is the source of inside pressure that blows up run plays.  I agree with those saying he needs to sit.

LG needs to be better in pass pro that the run game.  RG needs to be the mauler in the run game and Berger is the one I would phase out if it were up to me.  Not sure on Remmers yet.  Wasn't that excited about the signing, but we had to do it at time.  I am hoping for the best with him.

@"greediron" said:

@"JimmyinSD" said:

I agree on the right side,  I am appreciative of Berger history and his flexibility,  but he is not a starter at G.  Remmers is a pride pill that Spielman needs to swallow pretty quickly. 

However Boones deficiencies IMO arent really in pass pro,  its in the run game,  he get almost no push on his own,  and often is the source of inside pressure that blows up run plays.  I agree with those saying he needs to sit.

LG needs to be better in pass pro that the run game.  RG needs to be the mauler in the run game and Berger is the one I would phase out if it were up to me.  Not sure on Remmers yet.  Wasn't that excited about the signing, but we had to do it at time.  I am hoping for the best with him.

I think Isidora will be taking over for Berger sooner than later. But looking at the tape, even though Remmers does suck, there seemed to be a ton of miscommunication between himself and Morgan (that looked all on Remmers) that caused the problems Sunday. Our OL still has a ton of kinks to work out, Bradford needs to learn pocket presence and how to step up, but it was pretty sad on sunday night.

@"Neptizzle" said: I think Isidora will be taking over for Berger sooner than later. But looking at the tape, even though Remmers does suck, there seemed to be a ton of miscommunication between himself and Morgan (that looked all on Remmers) that caused the problems Sunday. Our OL still has a ton of kinks to work out, Bradford needs to learn pocket presence and how to step up, but it was pretty sad on sunday night.

as bad as our OL was last year I wonder if the coaches told him not to step up into the "pocket" because even if there was one,  it wasnt likely going to be a smart place to head to.  get to the top of his drop and get rid of the damn ball seemed to be the best course of action in terms of not dying on every snap.  yes he will leave some plays on the field,  but he will also live to fight another day.  I have to think getting killed early in the game sunday likely had his internal clock set back to 2016 in terms of getting the ball out asap.

Bradford has NEVER climbed the pocket. Pocket presence and end of the game comeback ability has never been something Sleeves has had. It's why, although he has all the talent in the world, the guy has never been able to win. And its why guys like Teddy can have winning records despite less of a true arm, because they can make that less second play, have pocket awareness, etc... There is more to being a QB than just a "practice arm."
Although Bradpool only had 5 INTs last year, when he threw them cost us 3 games (Det, Det, and Was). The guy would be best if he was playing 7 on 7 and couldn't get hit.

Wait a second..... when has he been on a talented team? 

I think he meant that Sam had all the talent in the world, not that he's been surrounded by all the talent in the world.

@"NoGoingBack" said: I think he meant that Sam had all the talent in the world, not that he's been surrounded by all the talent in the world.

Oh I see. Yer probably right. I guess I didn't read it that was because he had just listed his deficiencies. 

You got it NGB. Even if the sleeves supporters want to make excuses for his lack of supporters (which I will agree with), I will not give the guy excuses for his lack of scoring ability and the fact that the guy just doesn't have the "clutch-gene." Any time we (or any team he has been on) needs that last first down, score, or whatever, Sleeves is more likely to throw it short, throw the INT, or simply continue to play conservative than make that needed play. He just doesn't seem to find it or the needed spark like Culpepper, Favre, or Teddy could.

Guess others are thinking Boone is overrated too.

http://min.247sports.com/Bolt/Alex-Boone-could-wind-up-losing-job-for-left-guard-spot-106631852

@"Neptizzle" said: Bradford has NEVER climbed the pocket. Pocket presence and end of the game comeback ability has never been something Sleeves has had. It's why, although he has all the talent in the world, the guy has never been able to win. And its why guys like Teddy can have winning records despite less of a true arm, because they can make that less second play, have pocket awareness, etc... There is more to being a QB than just a "practice arm." Although Bradpool only had 5 INTs last year, when he threw them cost us 3 games (Det, Det, and Was). The guy would be best if he was playing 7 on 7 and couldn't get hit.

OK

@"PSBLAKE" said: Guess others are thinking Boone is overrated too.

http://min.247sports.com/Bolt/Alex-Boone-could-wind-up-losing-job-for-left-guard-spot-106631852

I will say the blocks by Elflein and Easton were a beautiful thing.  Elflein got stood up initially but worked his way to driving the NT 4 yards back before the RB hit the hole. Easton sealed his guy and then drove him 5 yards back before the RB made contact.

So, it depends on the philosophy.  If we want to get much better in the run game, Easton may take over the job.  But I don't see it happening just yet.

@"PSBLAKE" said: Guess others are thinking Boone is overrated too.

http://min.247sports.com/Bolt/Alex-Boone-could-wind-up-losing-job-for-left-guard-spot-106631852

article is from a disc jockey who is jumping on the anti-Boone bandwagon that is picking up steam.

Not to be a contrarian but Boone played well last week and was much much better then Easton who did not play well after I rewatched.  Also PFF gave Easton one of our poorest grades so they saw his misses like I did.  On his very first snap at LG and Hill's first at LT both whiffed forcing Bradford to loop out of the pocket and do that illegal toss to Murray that was called back.  Easton had a couple more whiffs before the quarter was even over.

I read that article by AJ mansour and he tries to make it sound as if Boone was pulled out early and Easton put in.  Boone got the same snaps as Reiff and we pulled them together, slide Easton to LG and put Elflein in at Center.  The Right side remained the same with Berger and Remmers.  

After watching the game again - specifically the OL play - I fully expect Elflein to be the starting Center asap.  Easton will be a backup for LG and Center.  Berger is starting at RG.  

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We have traded OL Cam Erving to KC for a 2018 5th round pick.

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We have traded OL Cam Erving to KC for a 2018 5th round pick. Damn....how many draft picks do the Browns have next year? NFL would be smart to  hold the draft in Cleveland in 2018. 

As much as I liked Cam at FSU he just hasn't looked comfortable at the NFL level.