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Hi Jimmy, why are you deleting posts again?

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@"KingBash" said:
@"JimmyinSD" said:
@"Caactorvike" said: KB— I don’t think there is any question that some mods on this board are Trump apologists.  That has been made blatantly clear.  The equivocations, false equivalences and outright conspiracy bullshit that have used needs to be addressed.  I am asking Mike to look at this as it is driving people away from this board.  A1 is allowed to post whatever he likes, including long debunked Qnon conspiracies but some mods get all butt hurt over “how you say something.”  It would be refreshing to hear a mod stand up and just admit the bias rather than hide behind self-righteous rhetoric.
so for some the mods are to heavy handed and should let things sort themselves out,   but you think we should censor what information is exchanged (in a civil manner) on our boards?   is that what you are asking for from the mods,  to tell posters that they cant post stuff that isnt against board rules because you dont agree with it or it doesnt come from a source you trust?  or is it because your preferred source says its wrong?   so then does that give others the right to say you cant post your truths as you view them?  come on man.  if you present something in a civil manner and want to defend it in a civil manner,  I am not going to tell you or anybody else they cant do that.  Whether I agree with it or not.

for the record,  A1 hasnt posted on this site in 6 weeks... and if you ask him I wasnt fair to his POV either.   All i ask for is civil exchange in an adult manner,  and if Mike thinks I am driving people away and not working in the best interest of the board, then he will let me know,  but its fair that you asked,  no hard feelings.



Speaking for myself here, it seems whenever myself or others speak out on topics that go against the grain of the MAGA theme the majority of this board stands by, we're removed from threads and you're VERY quick to cite "keep politics out of it" or "there's no reason to attack other posters." Meanwhile, I'll watch the Trump crowd refrain from the potty-mouth (I admittedly weave in) and be allowed to spew their political views wherever they see fit. It's been going on for years.

Look, I've said repeatedly I'm a problem poster here. Lots of the time it's intentional because I'm just bored and feel like, "Well, fuck it. I'm gonna be removed anyway, who really cares." It is, after all, just a message board. None of this shit matters, it's a distraction from my workday.

But please don't pretend that you leave certain topics up under the guise of sharing knowledge or as an exchange of ideas. It's an echo-chamber where people come to have their opinions further entrenched. I'm guilty of it, but I truly believe not nearly as guilty as some other posters - and yes, I'm looking at you too here.



you are entitled to your opinion.   I am not sure how a thread about killer cops or a killer virus is showing support for Trump ( or even going to make him look good )  but its your opinion.

the virus thread was left on the board,  because when the virus first came out it was being taken way to lightly by many and I wanted to leave that on the board in hopes that people would read about it from other perspectives besides their evening news and get better informed.

i left the Floyd thread up because I thought if people could be adults about it,  it might be a good place to open minds and eyes.  instead some choose to use it like a protest and start screaming and making baseless accusations of people that they do not know other than through a few written words.  Trust me,  those types of threads will not be allowed again in the future since I/we were wrong in thinking that they could stay out of the shitter.  We havent moved them yet and will continue to moderate them,  but in the future the approach will be to move the thread to cut down on the necessary moderation.

as far as who gets moderated,  nobody notices when its somebody else unless somebody makes a stink about it.   I just booted a poster from a thread a few days ago for attacking one of "your side".     nobody said anything in his defense and he didnt throw a shit fit and start multiple new threads to whine about it so it went unnoticed and that is how its supposed to work.  adults know when they get out of line and adults know that getting out of line has consequences and accept them.  you yourself have acknowledged as much on many occasions,  all the while admitting that you will likely take the same course again in the future.   like I say,  its up to you.

hope you decide to stick around,  when you arent screaming profanities at me (or others) you can be quite entertaining to read.

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@"JimmyinSD" said:
@"Caactorvike" said: KB— I don’t think there is any question that some mods on this board are Trump apologists.  That has been made blatantly clear.  The equivocations, false equivalences and outright conspiracy bullshit that have used needs to be addressed.  I am asking Mike to look at this as it is driving people away from this board.  A1 is allowed to post whatever he likes, including long debunked Qnon conspiracies but some mods get all butt hurt over “how you say something.”  It would be refreshing to hear a mod stand up and just admit the bias rather than hide behind self-righteous rhetoric.
so for some the mods are to heavy handed and should let things sort themselves out,   but you think we should censor what information is exchanged (in a civil manner) on our boards?   is that what you are asking for from the mods,  to tell posters that they cant post stuff that isnt against board rules because you dont agree with it or it doesnt come from a source you trust?  or is it because your preferred source says its wrong?   so then does that give others the right to say you cant post your truths as you view them?  come on man.  if you present something in a civil manner and want to defend it in a civil manner,  I am not going to tell you or anybody else they cant do that.  Whether I agree with it or not.

for the record,  A1 hasnt posted on this site in 6 weeks... and if you ask him I wasnt fair to his POV either.   All i ask for is civil exchange in an adult manner,  and if Mike thinks I am driving people away and not working in the best interest of the board, then he will let me know,  but its fair that you asked,  no hard feelings.


Probably a good sign of balance when the mods are criticized by the extremes of both sides. 

And yes to your point Jimmy, when we are acting specifically in a mod role, we are simply posters and have a right to our opinions.  When acting clearly as a mod, I think we have a good balance.  We have mods from every spectrum and from my interaction with the others, they act like adults, that is why they were asked to be mods.

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Well no Greed I think you got it wrong.  While I’m sure it feels good to pat oneself on the back, “ when we are acting specifically in a mod role, we are simply posters and have a right to our opinions” is simply wrong.  When acting specifically as a mod is exactly the time you should put aside your personal opinions and be as unbiased as you can be.  You have no right “when acting  specifically as a mod” to inject yourself in any way. It’s simple—When you are a mod act like one.  Of course, when you are simply a poster you should feel free to express your personal opinions as you wish. 

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@"Caactorvike" said: Well no Greed I think you got it wrong.  While I’m sure it feels good to pat oneself on the back, “ when we are acting specifically in a mod role, we are simply posters and have a right to our opinions” is simply wrong.  When acting specifically as a mod is exactly the time you should put aside your personal opinions and be as unbiased as you can be.  You have no right “when acting  specifically as a mod” to inject yourself in any way. It’s simple—When you are a mod act like one.  Of course, when you are simply a poster you should feel free to express your personal opinions as you wish. 

Well no actually, you have no idea what you are talking about.  When acting as a Mod, we are specifically injecting ourselves into a conversation that we often weren't involved in.  Yes, when we are a mod, we should act it.  Just like adults should act like it as well.  Doesn't always work out that way, but that is how it should be.
And Mike is the one that has specifically reminded us that the mods are also posters and can be posters.  When they have to be a mod, they should set aside politics and personal items.  And I think most have been very good at that.  Even when being called all sorts of names by both extremes. 

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@"greediron" said:
@"Caactorvike" said: Well no Greed I think you got it wrong.  While I’m sure it feels good to pat oneself on the back, “ when we are acting specifically in a mod role, we are simply posters and have a right to our opinions” is simply wrong.  When acting specifically as a mod is exactly the time you should put aside your personal opinions and be as unbiased as you can be.  You have no right “when acting  specifically as a mod” to inject yourself in any way. It’s simple—When you are a mod act like one.  Of course, when you are simply a poster you should feel free to express your personal opinions as you wish. 

Well no actually, you have no idea what you are talking about....Yes, when we are a mod, we should act it....Doesn't always work out that way...



Guess not. 

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I don't think this thread is going anywhere.
Post: I am right you are wrong and yes I may be wrong but I am right
Reply: No you are wrong and I am right, yes I may be wrong just like you too but I am right and you are then one who is wrong...
Repeat sequence....

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@"mblack" said: I don't think this thread is going anywhere. Post: I am right you are wrong and yes I may be wrong but I am right Reply: No you are wrong and I am right, yes I may be wrong just like you too but I am right and you are then one who is wrong... Repeat sequence....
So what side are you on, wrong right or right wrong?
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@"greediron" said:
@"Caactorvike" said: Well no Greed I think you got it wrong.  While I’m sure it feels good to pat oneself on the back, “ when we are acting specifically in a mod role, we are simply posters and have a right to our opinions” is simply wrong.  When acting specifically as a mod is exactly the time you should put aside your personal opinions and be as unbiased as you can be.  You have no right “when acting  specifically as a mod” to inject yourself in any way. It’s simple—When you are a mod act like one.  Of course, when you are simply a poster you should feel free to express your personal opinions as you wish. 

Well no actually, you have no idea what you are talking about.  When acting as a Mod, we are specifically injecting ourselves into a conversation that we often weren't involved in.  Yes, when we are a mod, we should act it.  Just like adults should act like it as well.  Doesn't always work out that way, but that is how it should be.
And Mike is the one that has specifically reminded us that the mods are also posters and can be posters.  When they have to be a mod, they should set aside politics and personal items.  And I think most have been very good at that.  Even when being called all sorts of names by both extremes. 



That post makes absolutely no sense. You contradict yourself from one paragraph to the next. Paragraph One:  “ when acting as a mod we are specifically injecting ourselves into a conversation”.  Paragraph two:  “when they have to be a mod, they should set aside politics and personal items.”  So which is it???   Your point in paragraph two is EXACTLY  what I was saying!  And you say I “ have no idea” what I’m talking about?  Hahaha you are LAUGHABLE. Jesus, is it possible for a mod to be wrong?  I guess not. Ok, tough guy, keep patting yourself on the back.

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^ I have to admit that I was pretty confused, too.

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Wow that was a 180 with a double flip-flop backflip that I had to read three times.

Actually now 4 and I’m still confused.

We are Mods and should act like it but sometimes we don’t, and we don’t have to except when we should.  

I feel like I just read a transcript of a Trump speech.  No wonder he makes sense to them.

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@"KingBash" said:
@"IDVikingfan" said: Not a good move by the president.

Also, POS is a strong term but appropriate for looters.  Law breakers are certainly not deserving of praise or adoration.  Floyd's death is a tragedy and looting is certainly not honoring the man or spirit.


The looting - it seems - is, at best, opportunistic and just selfish. At worst, it's coordinated by political factions to discredit what could be a peaceful protest.


Bingo

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@"Caactorvike" said:
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@"Caactorvike" said: Well no Greed I think you got it wrong.  While I’m sure it feels good to pat oneself on the back, “ when we are acting specifically in a mod role, we are simply posters and have a right to our opinions” is simply wrong.  When acting specifically as a mod is exactly the time you should put aside your personal opinions and be as unbiased as you can be.  You have no right “when acting  specifically as a mod” to inject yourself in any way. It’s simple—When you are a mod act like one.  Of course, when you are simply a poster you should feel free to express your personal opinions as you wish. 

Well no actually, you have no idea what you are talking about.  When acting as a Mod, we are specifically injecting ourselves into a conversation that we often weren't involved in.  Yes, when we are a mod, we should act it.  Just like adults should act like it as well.  Doesn't always work out that way, but that is how it should be.
And Mike is the one that has specifically reminded us that the mods are also posters and can be posters.  When they have to be a mod, they should set aside politics and personal items.  And I think most have been very good at that.  Even when being called all sorts of names by both extremes. 



That post makes absolutely no sense. You contradict yourself from one paragraph to the next. Paragraph One:  “ when acting as a mod we are specifically injecting ourselves into a conversation”.  Paragraph two:  “when they have to be a mod, they should set aside politics and personal items.”  So which is it???   Your point in paragraph two is EXACTLY  what I was saying!  And you say I “ have no idea” what I’m talking about?  Hahaha you are LAUGHABLE. Jesus, is it possible for a mod to be wrong?  I guess not. Ok, tough guy, keep patting yourself on the back.


Greed and I have come to some kind of detente, which is great, but he's not one for admitting he's wrong about something. Just sayin'. 

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@"StickyBun" said:
@"Caactorvike" said:
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@"Caactorvike" said: Well no Greed I think you got it wrong.  While I’m sure it feels good to pat oneself on the back, “ when we are acting specifically in a mod role, we are simply posters and have a right to our opinions” is simply wrong.  When acting specifically as a mod is exactly the time you should put aside your personal opinions and be as unbiased as you can be.  You have no right “when acting  specifically as a mod” to inject yourself in any way. It’s simple—When you are a mod act like one.  Of course, when you are simply a poster you should feel free to express your personal opinions as you wish. 

Well no actually, you have no idea what you are talking about.  When acting as a Mod, we are specifically injecting ourselves into a conversation that we often weren't involved in.  Yes, when we are a mod, we should act it.  Just like adults should act like it as well.  Doesn't always work out that way, but that is how it should be.
And Mike is the one that has specifically reminded us that the mods are also posters and can be posters.  When they have to be a mod, they should set aside politics and personal items.  And I think most have been very good at that.  Even when being called all sorts of names by both extremes. 



That post makes absolutely no sense. You contradict yourself from one paragraph to the next. Paragraph One:  “ when acting as a mod we are specifically injecting ourselves into a conversation”.  Paragraph two:  “when they have to be a mod, they should set aside politics and personal items.”  So which is it???   Your point in paragraph two is EXACTLY  what I was saying!  And you say I “ have no idea” what I’m talking about?  Hahaha you are LAUGHABLE. Jesus, is it possible for a mod to be wrong?  I guess not. Ok, tough guy, keep patting yourself on the back.


Greed and I have come to some kind of detente, which is great, but he's not one for admitting he's wrong about something. Just sayin'. 


is that something unique to Greed on this board,  or does that pretty much sum up about every poster on here?   Not to many I ever see take a knee and admit defeat and any side of an argument,  especially the topics that belong in the ST arena.

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@"JimmyinSD" said:
@"StickyBun" said:
@"Caactorvike" said:
@"greediron" said:
@"Caactorvike" said: Well no Greed I think you got it wrong.  While I’m sure it feels good to pat oneself on the back, “ when we are acting specifically in a mod role, we are simply posters and have a right to our opinions” is simply wrong.  When acting specifically as a mod is exactly the time you should put aside your personal opinions and be as unbiased as you can be.  You have no right “when acting  specifically as a mod” to inject yourself in any way. It’s simple—When you are a mod act like one.  Of course, when you are simply a poster you should feel free to express your personal opinions as you wish. 

Well no actually, you have no idea what you are talking about.  When acting as a Mod, we are specifically injecting ourselves into a conversation that we often weren't involved in.  Yes, when we are a mod, we should act it.  Just like adults should act like it as well.  Doesn't always work out that way, but that is how it should be.
And Mike is the one that has specifically reminded us that the mods are also posters and can be posters.  When they have to be a mod, they should set aside politics and personal items.  And I think most have been very good at that.  Even when being called all sorts of names by both extremes. 



That post makes absolutely no sense. You contradict yourself from one paragraph to the next. Paragraph One:  “ when acting as a mod we are specifically injecting ourselves into a conversation”.  Paragraph two:  “when they have to be a mod, they should set aside politics and personal items.”  So which is it???   Your point in paragraph two is EXACTLY  what I was saying!  And you say I “ have no idea” what I’m talking about?  Hahaha you are LAUGHABLE. Jesus, is it possible for a mod to be wrong?  I guess not. Ok, tough guy, keep patting yourself on the back.


Greed and I have come to some kind of detente, which is great, but he's not one for admitting he's wrong about something. Just sayin'. 


is that something unique to Greed on this board,  or does that pretty much sum up about every poster on here?   Not to many I ever see take a knee and admit defeat and any side of an argument,  especially the topics that belong in the ST arena.


I've seen it and done it. But to your point, yeah its mostly par for the course. This isn't a political argument however, its about mod/poster hypocrisy. Its not like its an easy line nor an easy job, but maybe saying, 'yeah its really an untenable situation and we mostly error on the side of being a poster' isn't the end of the world, is it? Its something that we can all understand and relate to. 

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@"StickyBun" said:
@"JimmyinSD" said:
@"StickyBun" said:
@"Caactorvike" said:
@"greediron" said:
@"Caactorvike" said: Well no Greed I think you got it wrong.  While I’m sure it feels good to pat oneself on the back, “ when we are acting specifically in a mod role, we are simply posters and have a right to our opinions” is simply wrong.  When acting specifically as a mod is exactly the time you should put aside your personal opinions and be as unbiased as you can be.  You have no right “when acting  specifically as a mod” to inject yourself in any way. It’s simple—When you are a mod act like one.  Of course, when you are simply a poster you should feel free to express your personal opinions as you wish. 

Well no actually, you have no idea what you are talking about.  When acting as a Mod, we are specifically injecting ourselves into a conversation that we often weren't involved in.  Yes, when we are a mod, we should act it.  Just like adults should act like it as well.  Doesn't always work out that way, but that is how it should be.
And Mike is the one that has specifically reminded us that the mods are also posters and can be posters.  When they have to be a mod, they should set aside politics and personal items.  And I think most have been very good at that.  Even when being called all sorts of names by both extremes. 



That post makes absolutely no sense. You contradict yourself from one paragraph to the next. Paragraph One:  “ when acting as a mod we are specifically injecting ourselves into a conversation”.  Paragraph two:  “when they have to be a mod, they should set aside politics and personal items.”  So which is it???   Your point in paragraph two is EXACTLY  what I was saying!  And you say I “ have no idea” what I’m talking about?  Hahaha you are LAUGHABLE. Jesus, is it possible for a mod to be wrong?  I guess not. Ok, tough guy, keep patting yourself on the back.


Greed and I have come to some kind of detente, which is great, but he's not one for admitting he's wrong about something. Just sayin'. 


is that something unique to Greed on this board,  or does that pretty much sum up about every poster on here?   Not to many I ever see take a knee and admit defeat and any side of an argument,  especially the topics that belong in the ST arena.


I've seen it and done it. But to your point, yeah its mostly par for the course. This isn't a political argument however, its about mod/poster hypocrisy. Its not like its an easy line nor an easy job, but maybe saying, 'yeah its really an untenable situation and we mostly error on the side of being a poster' isn't the end of the world, is it? Its something that we can all understand and relate to. 


I was having a hard time staying with his line myself,  but I know what he is trying to say.  I figured I would stay out of it and let him straighten out what he was trying to say in the first place.

I think he was simply trying to say we are still posters here and shouldnt hold back because of the mod hat that we are sometimes forced to wear,  however when we put that hat on,  we need to forget our personal views on the matter and try to enforce the rules unilaterally regardless of how we feel about the offending or offended parties,  we have rules of the board and we have to try our best to enforce them equally... of course nobody believes that,  but its still what we do and the number one reason when I do take action I always try to refer that poster to the other mods for a second and third opinion.... i have been over ruled before and I am sure it will happen again and thats why the system is set up how it is.

EDIT: Its also why Mike gave us the ability to remove posters from threads without taking stronger actions like banning them from the board.   its a temporary action to try and remove people from tense situations without taking them completely off the board.  Most would realize that if they are removed that they are likely on the verge of more strict action and back down for a bit... some dont,  but it give the rest of the mods time to review that persons action before taking more serious or permanent action.  Hell,  I've been removed from a thread myself.

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@"JimmyinSD" said:
@"StickyBun" said:
@"Caactorvike" said:
@"greediron" said:
@"Caactorvike" said: Well no Greed I think you got it wrong.  While I’m sure it feels good to pat oneself on the back, “ when we are acting specifically in a mod role, we are simply posters and have a right to our opinions” is simply wrong.  When acting specifically as a mod is exactly the time you should put aside your personal opinions and be as unbiased as you can be.  You have no right “when acting  specifically as a mod” to inject yourself in any way. It’s simple—When you are a mod act like one.  Of course, when you are simply a poster you should feel free to express your personal opinions as you wish. 

Well no actually, you have no idea what you are talking about.  When acting as a Mod, we are specifically injecting ourselves into a conversation that we often weren't involved in.  Yes, when we are a mod, we should act it.  Just like adults should act like it as well.  Doesn't always work out that way, but that is how it should be.
And Mike is the one that has specifically reminded us that the mods are also posters and can be posters.  When they have to be a mod, they should set aside politics and personal items.  And I think most have been very good at that.  Even when being called all sorts of names by both extremes. 



That post makes absolutely no sense. You contradict yourself from one paragraph to the next. Paragraph One:  “ when acting as a mod we are specifically injecting ourselves into a conversation”.  Paragraph two:  “when they have to be a mod, they should set aside politics and personal items.”  So which is it???   Your point in paragraph two is EXACTLY  what I was saying!  And you say I “ have no idea” what I’m talking about?  Hahaha you are LAUGHABLE. Jesus, is it possible for a mod to be wrong?  I guess not. Ok, tough guy, keep patting yourself on the back.


Greed and I have come to some kind of detente, which is great, but he's not one for admitting he's wrong about something. Just sayin'. 


is that something unique to Greed on this board,  or does that pretty much sum up about every poster on here?   Not to many I ever see take a knee and admit defeat and any side of an argument,  especially the topics that belong in the ST arena.


I've done it and learned my lesson. When I have been wrong about stuff, I largely just bow out because it's not a two way street. I've never once seen the MAGA side ever admit they've been wrong about anything.

Last week I said that a lot of the violence was being instigated by white supremacistss. That discussion - had it continued - would've forced me to amend my statement: white supremacists contributed, but the majority seems to just be a bunch of dick heads with no goal except stealing a few boxes of Nikes. In short, what I said was incorrect, and further discussion would've fleshed out what was actually going on.

But AGR was posting so much horseshit I just bowed out completely. There wasn't gonna be a winner. 

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@"KingBash" said:
@"JimmyinSD" said:
@"StickyBun" said:
@"Caactorvike" said:
@"greediron" said:
@"Caactorvike" said: Well no Greed I think you got it wrong.  While I’m sure it feels good to pat oneself on the back, “ when we are acting specifically in a mod role, we are simply posters and have a right to our opinions” is simply wrong.  When acting specifically as a mod is exactly the time you should put aside your personal opinions and be as unbiased as you can be.  You have no right “when acting  specifically as a mod” to inject yourself in any way. It’s simple—When you are a mod act like one.  Of course, when you are simply a poster you should feel free to express your personal opinions as you wish. 

Well no actually, you have no idea what you are talking about.  When acting as a Mod, we are specifically injecting ourselves into a conversation that we often weren't involved in.  Yes, when we are a mod, we should act it.  Just like adults should act like it as well.  Doesn't always work out that way, but that is how it should be.
And Mike is the one that has specifically reminded us that the mods are also posters and can be posters.  When they have to be a mod, they should set aside politics and personal items.  And I think most have been very good at that.  Even when being called all sorts of names by both extremes. 



That post makes absolutely no sense. You contradict yourself from one paragraph to the next. Paragraph One:  “ when acting as a mod we are specifically injecting ourselves into a conversation”.  Paragraph two:  “when they have to be a mod, they should set aside politics and personal items.”  So which is it???   Your point in paragraph two is EXACTLY  what I was saying!  And you say I “ have no idea” what I’m talking about?  Hahaha you are LAUGHABLE. Jesus, is it possible for a mod to be wrong?  I guess not. Ok, tough guy, keep patting yourself on the back.


Greed and I have come to some kind of detente, which is great, but he's not one for admitting he's wrong about something. Just sayin'. 


is that something unique to Greed on this board,  or does that pretty much sum up about every poster on here?   Not to many I ever see take a knee and admit defeat and any side of an argument,  especially the topics that belong in the ST arena.


I've done it and learned my lesson. When I have been wrong about stuff, I largely just bow out because it's not a two way street. I've never once seen the MAGA side ever admit they've been wrong about anything.

Last week I said that a lot of the violence was being instigated by white supremacistss. That discussion - had it continued - would've forced me to amend my statement: white supremacists contributed, but the majority seems to just be a bunch of dick heads with no goal except stealing a few boxes of Nikes. In short, what I said was incorrect, and further discussion would've fleshed out what was actually going on.

But AGR was posting so much horseshit I just bowed out completely. There wasn't gonna be a winner. 



I am sure if anybody was keeping score there have been people on both sides admit they were wrong,  hell I said I was wrong about that truckers intent,  but then the state walked back their statements and let him walk with no charges so I guess I was right in the end... but if you are keeping score I did admit the next day that I had been wrong about questioning intent.... until I wasnt. so do i get a point and lose a point since no point should have been awarded for being right in the first place?  its all so confusing,  probably why nobody keeps score.

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@"Caactorvike" said: Well no Greed I think you got it wrong.  While I’m sure it feels good to pat oneself on the back, “ when we are acting specifically in a mod role, we are simply posters and have a right to our opinions” is simply wrong.  When acting specifically as a mod is exactly the time you should put aside your personal opinions and be as unbiased as you can be.  You have no right “when acting  specifically as a mod” to inject yourself in any way. It’s simple—When you are a mod act like one.  Of course, when you are simply a poster you should feel free to express your personal opinions as you wish. 

Well no actually, you have no idea what you are talking about.  When acting as a Mod, we are specifically injecting ourselves into a conversation that we often weren't involved in.  Yes, when we are a mod, we should act it.  Just like adults should act like it as well.  Doesn't always work out that way, but that is how it should be.
And Mike is the one that has specifically reminded us that the mods are also posters and can be posters.  When they have to be a mod, they should set aside politics and personal items.  And I think most have been very good at that.  Even when being called all sorts of names by both extremes. 



That post makes absolutely no sense. You contradict yourself from one paragraph to the next. Paragraph One:  “ when acting as a mod we are specifically injecting ourselves into a conversation”.  Paragraph two:  “when they have to be a mod, they should set aside politics and personal items.”  So which is it???   Your point in paragraph two is EXACTLY  what I was saying!  And you say I “ have no idea” what I’m talking about?  Hahaha you are LAUGHABLE. Jesus, is it possible for a mod to be wrong?  I guess not. Ok, tough guy, keep patting yourself on the back.

Do you understand what moderation is on a forum?  It is specifically injecting into a coversation that has gone off the rails.  If you don't understand that, then you have no idea what you are talking about.  Your personal shots at me aside, yes it is possible for a mod to be wrong.  Many have apologized for mistakes at different times on this site. 

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@"Caactorvike" said:
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@"Caactorvike" said: Well no Greed I think you got it wrong.  While I’m sure it feels good to pat oneself on the back, “ when we are acting specifically in a mod role, we are simply posters and have a right to our opinions” is simply wrong.  When acting specifically as a mod is exactly the time you should put aside your personal opinions and be as unbiased as you can be.  You have no right “when acting  specifically as a mod” to inject yourself in any way. It’s simple—When you are a mod act like one.  Of course, when you are simply a poster you should feel free to express your personal opinions as you wish. 

Well no actually, you have no idea what you are talking about.  When acting as a Mod, we are specifically injecting ourselves into a conversation that we often weren't involved in.  Yes, when we are a mod, we should act it.  Just like adults should act like it as well.  Doesn't always work out that way, but that is how it should be.
And Mike is the one that has specifically reminded us that the mods are also posters and can be posters.  When they have to be a mod, they should set aside politics and personal items.  And I think most have been very good at that.  Even when being called all sorts of names by both extremes. 



That post makes absolutely no sense. You contradict yourself from one paragraph to the next. Paragraph One:  “ when acting as a mod we are specifically injecting ourselves into a conversation”.  Paragraph two:  “when they have to be a mod, they should set aside politics and personal items.”  So which is it???   Your point in paragraph two is EXACTLY  what I was saying!  And you say I “ have no idea” what I’m talking about?  Hahaha you are LAUGHABLE. Jesus, is it possible for a mod to be wrong?  I guess not. Ok, tough guy, keep patting yourself on the back.


Greed and I have come to some kind of detente, which is great, but he's not one for admitting he's wrong about something. Just sayin'. 

lol.  Yeah I have.  I have multiple times here.  Even with you.

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@"JimmyinSD" said:
@"StickyBun" said:
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@"StickyBun" said:
@"Caactorvike" said:
@"greediron" said:
@"Caactorvike" said: Well no Greed I think you got it wrong.  While I’m sure it feels good to pat oneself on the back, “ when we are acting specifically in a mod role, we are simply posters and have a right to our opinions” is simply wrong.  When acting specifically as a mod is exactly the time you should put aside your personal opinions and be as unbiased as you can be.  You have no right “when acting  specifically as a mod” to inject yourself in any way. It’s simple—When you are a mod act like one.  Of course, when you are simply a poster you should feel free to express your personal opinions as you wish. 

Well no actually, you have no idea what you are talking about.  When acting as a Mod, we are specifically injecting ourselves into a conversation that we often weren't involved in.  Yes, when we are a mod, we should act it.  Just like adults should act like it as well.  Doesn't always work out that way, but that is how it should be.
And Mike is the one that has specifically reminded us that the mods are also posters and can be posters.  When they have to be a mod, they should set aside politics and personal items.  And I think most have been very good at that.  Even when being called all sorts of names by both extremes. 



That post makes absolutely no sense. You contradict yourself from one paragraph to the next. Paragraph One:  “ when acting as a mod we are specifically injecting ourselves into a conversation”.  Paragraph two:  “when they have to be a mod, they should set aside politics and personal items.”  So which is it???   Your point in paragraph two is EXACTLY  what I was saying!  And you say I “ have no idea” what I’m talking about?  Hahaha you are LAUGHABLE. Jesus, is it possible for a mod to be wrong?  I guess not. Ok, tough guy, keep patting yourself on the back.


Greed and I have come to some kind of detente, which is great, but he's not one for admitting he's wrong about something. Just sayin'. 


is that something unique to Greed on this board,  or does that pretty much sum up about every poster on here?   Not to many I ever see take a knee and admit defeat and any side of an argument,  especially the topics that belong in the ST arena.


I've seen it and done it. But to your point, yeah its mostly par for the course. This isn't a political argument however, its about mod/poster hypocrisy. Its not like its an easy line nor an easy job, but maybe saying, 'yeah its really an untenable situation and we mostly error on the side of being a poster' isn't the end of the world, is it? Its something that we can all understand and relate to. 


I was having a hard time staying with his line myself,  but I know what he is trying to say.  I figured I would stay out of it and let him straighten out what he was trying to say in the first place.

I think he was simply trying to say we are still posters here and shouldnt hold back because of the mod hat that we are sometimes forced to wear,  however when we put that hat on,  we need to forget our personal views on the matter and try to enforce the rules unilaterally regardless of how we feel about the offending or offended parties,  we have rules of the board and we have to try our best to enforce them equally... of course nobody believes that,  but its still what we do and the number one reason when I do take action I always try to refer that poster to the other mods for a second and third opinion.... i have been over ruled before and I am sure it will happen again and thats why the system is set up how it is.

EDIT: Its also why Mike gave us the ability to remove posters from threads without taking stronger actions like banning them from the board.   its a temporary action to try and remove people from tense situations without taking them completely off the board.  Most would realize that if they are removed that they are likely on the verge of more strict action and back down for a bit... some dont,  but it give the rest of the mods time to review that persons action before taking more serious or permanent action.  Hell,  I've been removed from a thread myself.


Yes, maybe poorly put, you are right on what i was driving at. Mods here tend to over discuss things before acting.  So to be accused of taking things into our own hands is laughable.

But I don't abide by the holier than thou stance of some taking personal shots because their panties are in a wad.  It is time for adults to act like it.

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