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I apologize for not being in chat (not that I was likely missed), but life has been busy and it's spring...  and that means turkey hunting time...

Anyways, I missed a lot of the live draft discussion so I'll go VikingOracle for a second with some of my random thoughts on the Vikings draft and the draft overall.

- I thought the Vikings first two picks were excellent.  Jefferson was "my guy" if we went WR in Round 1 and Gladney was right up there if we went CB.

- An underrated aspect of those two first round picks...  these guys are both dogs and no strangers to working hard and playing with an edge.  Everyone thought JJ was a walk on when he showed up at LSU and he quickly showed his teammates who was boss.  Gladney...  did all the drills at the combine on a torn meniscus that needed surgery...  who the fuck does that?  Gladney does, that's who.  Tough as nails.  I fully expect these guys to be immediate contributors this season.

- Trader Rick does it again...  sets an NFL draft record for picks... Lol...  The only criticism I had was I thought that we should have picked an IOL at 105 instead of trading back with the Saints.  Ben Bartch was there and would have been a nice pick.  The Saints way overpaid to trade up, but I would have rather just made our pick there.

- I know fans get frustrated with all his trading, but from an analytics perspective...  You're hit rate from the late 3rd through 7th round is about the same.  More shots gives you more chances to hit and I think the Vikings did a nice job identifying some high upside guys on Day 3.  We also added a 4th and 5th next year...  solid job on Day 3.

- I heard from a reliable person that the cost to move up in the 3rd was crazy (teams wanted a future early pick included).  I would have loved to see us move up for Madubuike, Gallimore, or Elliot, but not at that price.  Not going to ding Spielman for staying put.

- I think the Packers did nothing to set themselves up to improve this year with their draft class.  They didn't pick a WR in a very deep class...  they didn't grab an OT early to replace Bulaga...  Just a strange draft.  I'm not sold on Love and he's the only one that really matters.  If he is a good starter in 3 years, forget the rest of the picks they made...  but if he busts, this might be the draft everyone points to as the turning point where GB became irrelevant.

- It's tough to grade drafts immediately, but I thought the Vikings, Ravens, Bucs, and Cowboys had good drafts in getting talented players and filling some needs.  I also thought the 49ers did well with the picks they had.

Feel free to share your thoughts as well... 

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@"BarrNone55" said:
Which draft do you prefer, Packers fans, the one you got or this one, taken only with available players at each selection?

Rnd 1 (30): WR Tee Higgins
Rnd 2 (62): OT Josh Jones
Rnd 3 (94): TE Albert Okwuegbunam
Rnd 4 (136): WR Isaiah Coulter
Rnd 5 (175): Edge Bradlee Anae

Ouch.


An  interesting idea to try on the Vikings draft.  Looking at the Vikings' picks, the only ones where I'd clearly have done something else are the 5th round with Hand and Osborne.  Instead take Muti @169 and WR Proche @176 .  

To apparently hit on so many picks and add a 4th and 5th next year seems like an excellent job. 

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@"RS Express" said:
@"BarrNone55" said:
Which draft do you prefer, Packers fans, the one you got or this one, taken only with available players at each selection?

Rnd 1 (30): WR Tee Higgins
Rnd 2 (62): OT Josh Jones
Rnd 3 (94): TE Albert Okwuegbunam
Rnd 4 (136): WR Isaiah Coulter
Rnd 5 (175): Edge Bradlee Anae

Ouch.


An  interesting idea to try on the Vikings draft.  Looking at the Vikings' picks, the only ones where I'd clearly have done something else are the 5th round with Hand and Osborne.  Instead take Muti @169 and WR Proche @176 .  

To apparently hit on so many picks and add a 4th and 5th next year seems like an excellent job. 



that would have  been awsome . funny gil trolling pakerfans

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@"kmillard" said: All that WR talent and only one real pick. Vikings are still lacking a real downfield threat that teams need to respect.
Early on, I thought the Vikings might double dip into the receiver group, too. But then I remembered something and took all of the 2nd receivers out of my mocks....

Kubiak's WR3 has averaged about 25 receptions a season. Yes, that's not per game, that's per SEASON. In a Kubiak offense, the 2nd TE sees more attention than the WR3. And he typically only keeps 4 receivers.

And don't forget that the Vikings added Tajae Sharpe, who was a starter at Tennessee. So Vikings depth at receiver is Thielen, Hunter, Bisi and Tajae Sharpe. That's probably going to be the four who make the roster. Adding anyone else would require cutting one of the above and that's not likely to happen.

Outside looking in are Beebe, Hollins, Davis and MItchell. 



I wanted to double dip at WR too, either adding a speed guy or a dependable receiver that we could count on as depth (e.g. Van Jefferson, Tyler Johnson), since there was a massive hole in the offense once Thieln was hurt. Bisi Johnson performed admirably, but he wasn't drawing attention away from Diggs. I do think Jefferson can be here our deep threat. He's a 4.43 guy with a wide catch radius, good route running, and had a lot of success on deep routes. You can certainly argue, that he had favorable matchups in the slot & didn't face as much press man coverage as you'd like to have seen, but he's certainly not just a possession receiver, even if he is drawing comparisons to Michael Thomas & Keenan Allen as high volume receivers. I also think that with Kubiak running so much 12 personnel, that Irv Smith is really our 3rd receiver. TE's normally take some time to develop & he showed some good flashes as a rookie, so he should have a much bigger role in the offense this year. Then we have Bisi Johnson & Taj Sharpe. Both guys are solid receivers & I'm curious to see if Johnson can make a jump in year 2, but it would have been nice to have a burner as a change of pace.

Hard to say about the guys on the outside looking in. Beebe has had some moments, but it will be hard to get slot reps competing with Thielen, Jefferson, & Smith. They seem to like Hollins, though he has an uphill battle. Then there is KJ Osborn, who I'm not counting as a receiver right now. Hopefully, he can step up & be a good return man, but you do wonder if taking a flier on Peoples-Jones would have made more sense, where you get a return man who has a higher upside to develop into a contribtuor at WR.

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@"Tyr" said:
@"MaroonBells" said:
@"kmillard" said: All that WR talent and only one real pick. Vikings are still lacking a real downfield threat that teams need to respect.
Early on, I thought the Vikings might double dip into the receiver group, too. But then I remembered something and took all of the 2nd receivers out of my mocks....

Kubiak's WR3 has averaged about 25 receptions a season. Yes, that's not per game, that's per SEASON. In a Kubiak offense, the 2nd TE sees more attention than the WR3. And he typically only keeps 4 receivers.

And don't forget that the Vikings added Tajae Sharpe, who was a starter at Tennessee. So Vikings depth at receiver is Thielen, Hunter, Bisi and Tajae Sharpe. That's probably going to be the four who make the roster. Adding anyone else would require cutting one of the above and that's not likely to happen.

Outside looking in are Beebe, Hollins, Davis and MItchell. 



I wanted to double dip at WR too, either adding a speed guy or a dependable receiver that we could count on as depth (e.g. Van Jefferson, Tyler Johnson), since there was a massive hole in the offense once Thieln was hurt. Bisi Johnson performed admirably, but he wasn't drawing attention away from Diggs. I do think Jefferson can be here our deep threat. He's a 4.43 guy with a wide catch radius, good route running, and had a lot of success on deep routes. You can certainly argue, that he had favorable matchups in the slot & didn't face as much press man coverage as you'd like to have seen, but he's certainly not just a possession receiver, even if he is drawing comparisons to Michael Thomas & Keenan Allen as high volume receivers. I also think that with Kubiak running so much 12 personnel, that Irv Smith is really our 3rd receiver. TE's normally take some time to develop & he showed some good flashes as a rookie, so he should have a much bigger role in the offense this year. Then we have Bisi Johnson & Taj Sharpe. Both guys are solid receivers & I'm curious to see if Johnson can make a jump in year 2, but it would have been nice to have a burner as a change of pace.

Hard to say about the guys on the outside looking in. Beebe has had some moments, but it will be hard to get slot reps competing with Thielen, Jefferson, & Smith. They seem to like Hollins, though he has an uphill battle. Then there is KJ Osborn, who I'm not counting as a receiver right now. Hopefully, he can step up & be a good return man, but you do wonder if taking a flier on Peoples-Jones would have made more sense, where you get a return man who has a higher upside to develop into a contribtuor at WR.



Osborne was the worst pick for the Vikings. Hopefully he is a great returner because he is a FA level talent at WR.

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@"MaroonBells" said:
@"kmillard" said:
@"MaroonBells" said:
@"kmillard" said: All that WR talent and only one real pick. Vikings are still lacking a real downfield threat that teams need to respect.
Early on, I thought the Vikings might double dip into the receiver group, too. But then I remembered something and took all of the 2nd receivers out of my mocks....

Kubiak's WR3 has averaged about 25 receptions a season. Yes, that's not per game, that's per SEASON. In a Kubiak offense, the 2nd TE sees more attention than the WR3. And he typically only keeps 4 receivers.

And don't forget that the Vikings added Tajae Sharpe, who was a starter at Tennessee. So Vikings depth at receiver is Thielen, Hunter, Bisi and Tajae Sharpe. That's probably going to be the four who make the roster. Adding anyone else would require cutting one of the above and that's not likely to happen.

Outside looking in are Beebe, Hollins, Davis and MItchell. 



 Getting someone with some speed still would have been nice. Sharpe is meh and is too much like they already have. I thought the double dipping would have been good this year and they had the capital to do it, and address G or 3T. It is what it is for this year.


Sharpe isn't very fast, but he's a precise route runner. Like Thielen and JJ (don't know why I called him Justin Hunter before LOL). And Bisi come to think of it. Vikings have 4 receivers who Cousins can count on to get separation and be where they're supposed to be. 


This group is more well-rounded than what they ran out onto the field last season. The raw talent is less without Diggs, but that doesn't mean they won't be a more productive group as a whole. 

I wouldn't sleep on Irv either. I've said it before from time to time this off-season, but they love him and think he's going to be a major factor. Another name is Mack Hollins. His name starter popping up near the end of last season but he put up some good film. He could end up being the downfield speed threat. I would have to say he's the favorite for the #5 spot in the room. After that you have a slew of talent that could make the roster. 

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@"Geoff Nichols" said:
@"MaroonBells" said:
@"kmillard" said:
@"MaroonBells" said:
@"kmillard" said: All that WR talent and only one real pick. Vikings are still lacking a real downfield threat that teams need to respect.
Early on, I thought the Vikings might double dip into the receiver group, too. But then I remembered something and took all of the 2nd receivers out of my mocks....

Kubiak's WR3 has averaged about 25 receptions a season. Yes, that's not per game, that's per SEASON. In a Kubiak offense, the 2nd TE sees more attention than the WR3. And he typically only keeps 4 receivers.

And don't forget that the Vikings added Tajae Sharpe, who was a starter at Tennessee. So Vikings depth at receiver is Thielen, Hunter, Bisi and Tajae Sharpe. That's probably going to be the four who make the roster. Adding anyone else would require cutting one of the above and that's not likely to happen.

Outside looking in are Beebe, Hollins, Davis and MItchell. 



 Getting someone with some speed still would have been nice. Sharpe is meh and is too much like they already have. I thought the double dipping would have been good this year and they had the capital to do it, and address G or 3T. It is what it is for this year.


Sharpe isn't very fast, but he's a precise route runner. Like Thielen and JJ (don't know why I called him Justin Hunter before LOL). And Bisi come to think of it. Vikings have 4 receivers who Cousins can count on to get separation and be where they're supposed to be. 


This group is more well-rounded than what they ran out onto the field last season. The raw talent is less without Diggs, but that doesn't mean they won't be a more productive group as a whole. 

I wouldn't sleep on Irv either. I've said it before from time to time this off-season, but they love him and think he's going to be a major factor. Another name is Mack Hollins. His name starter popping up near the end of last season but he put up some good film. He could end up being the downfield speed threat. I would have to say he's the favorite for the #5 spot in the room. After that you have a slew of talent that could make the roster. 



Actually been thinking about what Smith Jr. Is gonna bring to this offense and really believe that is why they didn't jump on a 2nd WR early in the draft.

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Vikings draft pick jersey numbers:

Stanley: 7
Osborn: 17
Jefferson: 18
Gladney: 20
Dantzler: 27
Hand: 29
Cole: 39
Metellus: 44
Dye: 45
Wonnum: 57
Willekes: 60
Brandel: 64
Lynch: 66
Hinton: 68
Cleveland: 72

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There is a lot to be excited about with this years draft. Drafting for need and best player available finally converged. And from a personal standpoint, I am hoping Stanley can make it. He is from my hometown and is a friend of my son's. Good kid.

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quantrey davis could be a name to watch udfa wr

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It seemed as the draft went on thursday and friday nights the back of Zims chair kept getting bigger.

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In a scenario where Aaron Rodgers remains #Packers starter for the next two years, 50% of Jordan Love’s cheap years on his rookie deal will have burnt up by the time he has any chance to take over.
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Not mentioned enough in future @packers transfer from Rodgers to Love: Cap ramifications. With Favre's retirement, there was no dead money when Aaron took over. Aaron is barely into a massive deal and is uncuttable/untradeable/unretireable for at least two years, $17M hit after.
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