Riphawkins wrote:

I was all for kicking the tires on Kyler, but he didn’t look good ever. Should have rolled with JJM or Wentz, because Kyler is Kyler, he’s not going to change and was part of the problem in Arizona.

I agree. Definitely had a bad feeling how it was gonna turn out. Was hoping they would keep JJ and he would mature a bit and take over. But now that ship has sailed and we are left pining for the good old days with Wentz at the helm.

greediron wrote:

You know, I can handle winning ugly. Don't need the greatest show on turf the entertain me.
But many of us had an idea that KM wasn't a fit for this offense. But who wouldn't want to give him a shot for veteran minimum.
But this isn't the I told you so post, just shocked how ugly it could actually be. I had an idea what the response to our first loss would be.
But to see Jefferson so frustrated. To see Murray look live a HS JV quarterback facing a Flores type D. I just dont get how it can be that hard to figure out something to compliment this D.

being a good fit vs being at least average is the question. not being a good fit shouldn't mean being the worst offense in the league. That falls on murray since there are guys open or him just being wildly inaccurate. half the throws the wrs don't even have a play on the ball. I knew the season was screwed after his first pass of the year. i held out hope he would improve, but it isn't going to happen. the nfl is again lacking in quality qb's bad.

Being disappointed would be an understatement.

Done with K1 experiment. Obviously the Vikings are not signing him to a long term deal. I know it's embarrassing to move on in the middle of the season but you can tell he is losing the team. Jefferson needs someone to get him the ball.

Defense - As great as the are playing the same weakness is getting exposed. Colts and Lions showed the NFL pound the rock and the dam will break.

Weird feeling melancholy about an 6-1 Team.

The Vikings' offense has many issues, but the run game remains problematic.

The team talked about prioritizing it for the 4th straight offseason. Tons of changes over time: RBs, iOL, TE, OL coach, etc.

Right now, they rank 31st in rushing success rate and 27th in EPA/play.

— Alec Lewis (@alec_lewis) November 2, 2026

“Nothing has been ruled out” in terms of a QB change or trading for a QB, per @MikeSilver. Kirk Cousins and Daniel Jones were mentioned as 2 outside options.

“Could the Vikings explore a trade to reacquire Cousins (from the Raiders) or Jones (from the Colts)? Or, given that… pic.twitter.com/OLDlB4dyqf

— VikingzFanPage (@vikingzfanpage) November 2, 2026

“Nothing has been ruled out” in terms of a QB change or trading for a QB, per

@MikeSilver

. Kirk Cousins and Daniel Jones were mentioned as 2 outside options.

“Could the Vikings explore a trade to reacquire Cousins (from the Raiders) or Jones (from the Colts)? Or, given that Murray had hamstring tightness late in Sunday’s game, might they ponder a pivot to backup quarterback Carson Wentz? My sense is that nothing has been ruled out.”

Since we traded away our only viable option, it’s not a problem we can fix this year so trading away draft capital or anything other than a quarterback to me seems like a waste of time

https://atozsports.com/nfl/justin-jefferson-sends-a-strong-signal-to-minnesota-vikings-after-detroit-lions-loss-kyler-murray-kevin-oconnell/

Justin Jefferson sends a strong signal to the Minnesota Vikings after loss vs. Detroit Lions

Nobody can blame Justin Jefferson for how he feels after another frustrating offensive performance.

The Minnesota Vikings suffered their first official blemish on Sunday afternoon when they lost to the Detroit Lions 19-15. Not only did they lose, but the defense allowed their first fourth-quarter touchdown of the season, bringing its fourth-quarter points allowed up to 10.

Even with the defense not quite being the elite unit we’ve come to expect, they were still mostly good on the day. However, the offense continued it’s frustrating ways, and it boils down to quarterback Kyler Murray. He’s not the only one who is frustrated.

Justin Jefferson is frustrated with Vikings’ offense

The one player that the Vikings need to keep happy is wide receiver Justin Jefferson. He’s the best player on the team and arguably the best wide receiver in the NFL. Unfortunately, his numbers don’t reflect that and he’s understandably upset. He didn’t talk to reporters after the game, and it’s the second time he’s done that. The first was after the Seattle Seahawks game last season.

It’s hard to blame Jefferson for being that frustrated. Things are in a brutal spot for the offense as a whole, and Jefferson isn’t getting the ball enough. He caught the ball just five times for 33 yards and a touchdown, and has just 28 catches for 335 yards and four touchdowns.

“Yeah, I mean, we had some opportunities for him and there were some chances there. Thought we missed a couple of them high if I remember right,” said head coach Kevin O’Connell after the game. “But, we have got to find a way to – especially on potential chances for him on some of those sequences where we’re looking to kick off some momentum. These guys want to win. I don’t fault the frustration or the competitiveness in any way, shape, or form.”

It’s very frustrating to watch play out, especially with how other teams are giving their start receivers 10-12 targets per game. The Vikings are getting Jefferson less than six per game.

Jefferson isn’t the kind of diva wide receiver that we’ve seen in years past like Stefon Diggs and Randy Moss, but when he lets his feelings known, it hits that much more. How much longer can the Vikings keep the status quo until this boils over into something that could be catastrophic to the franchise.

With that said, can O’Connell afford to keep starting Murray?

There is a problem with that: we know Carson Wentz isn’t the answer. Even so, would a change be the worst thing? Sometimes, a change can be a kickstart when they need it the most. It also sends a signal to the roster that you understand they can’t continue doing the same things and expect different results.

The quarterback isn’t the only reason things aren’t working, but it’s the one thing that O’Connell can do to immediately send the right message to the team.

https://atozsports.com/nfl/kyler-murray-has-the-minnesota-vikings-in-a-difficult-conundrum-and-the-real-issue-lies-with-kevin-oconnell/

Kyler Murray has the Minnesota Vikings in a difficult conundrum, and the real issue lies with Kevin O’Connell

The Minnesota Vikings made a calculated bet that Kyler Murray would be the guy at quarterback. It hasn’t worked out.

Coming out of the 2024 season, the Minnesota Vikings’ quarterback position felt like it had two correct answers in keeping Sam Darnold or going with the 10th overall pick, J.J. McCarthy, who showed a lot of promise.

Both decisions made a lot of sense at the time, and Darnold failing at the end of the season made the decision easier. Since they chose McCarthy over Darnold, the former was traded to the New York Giants for a ham sandwich (5th-round pick), and the latter won a Super Bowl as the starting quarterback.

All of the decisions they made led to Kyler Murray, and you can make a strong argument they were all wrong.

Kyler Murray has put Kevin O’Connell in a conundrum

When the Vikings added Murray, it essentially ended McCarthy’s time in Minnesota and gave head coach Kevin O’Connell another opportunity to pick his quarterback. This is essentially O’Connell’s fourth quarterback after choosing to move on from Darnold, McCarthy, and, before them, Kirk Cousins.

I’m not going to beat around the bush: Murray hasn’t been good enough for the Vikings. Only once this season has Murray helped the Vikings put up more than 20 points on offense: 23-13 against the New Orleans Saints. Within those games, Murray has shown a lot of improvement, but nowhere near enough to feel confident that the Vikings have their guy.

The last two weeks have been viewed as the most frustrating so far, as the eye test was at times brutal. Murray has been leaving big plays on the field due to turning them down and his inaccuracies. Even so, when you look at the box scores, they really aren’t that bad.

Murray’s completion percentage was at its lowest over the last two weeks after peaking at 80% against the New Orleans Saints. Overall, the stats look pretty solid, albeit not great. They are ones you can work with and win football games. So, why doesn’t the eye test match?

I think the answer is multi-faceted. First off, let’s start with the issues with Murray. He is struggling to see things down the field. It’s not because he’s short; Murray isn’t trusting what is happening down the field. The routes that O’Connell calls with anticipation aren’t being hit by Murray. Not trusting Justin Jefferson and Jordan Addison on those routes is a major problem, and likely isn’t one that will be solved anytime soon.

Murray is also spraying the ball when he is throwing it. Accuracy has always been his thing, and seeing him forget how to do the one thing that’s been his calling card is the most puzzling element of the discussion. It raises a litany of other questions about Murray and the offense as a whole.

That’s where we come to the biggest question of them all: is this more about Murray or O’Connell?

It’s no secret that Murray hasn’t been great so far this season, even though there have been flashes. The real issue with the Vikings is O’Connell’s offense. Is it too smart for its own good?

We see the concepts working down the field on the all-22, and how good O’Connell’s shot plays can be, especially the in-breaking concepts. It worked really well with Darnold under center, as he had the same kind of mentality that O’Connell did.

However, the last two seasons have been disastrous on offense.

McCarthy flashed some throws, but struggled to maintain composure in the pocket while those routes developed; some of those were muddy due to offensive line play. That has translated to whoever is playing quarterback. In fact, we often find O’Connell chasing these shot plays instead of focusing on moving the football and sustaining drives. Add in the lack of a successful rushing attack during his tenure, and we have a lot of major questions about what O’Connell actually does well.

Even with some subtle shifts in his play calling to appease Murray, O’Connell’s approach has been the same: attack vertically with shot plays. Where are his efforts to sustain possession of the football? It was good against the Saints, but that style, which objectively worked, dissipated quickly after the bye week.

Along with that, O’Connell doesn’t have the same level of creativity to create targets for his star receiver Jefferson in the way that other top minds have done so. Sean McVay is a master at getting Puka Nacua the football, as is Brian Schottenheimer with CeeDee Lamb and Zac Taylor with Ja’Marr Chase. Where is that level of creativity?

We were sold the “illusion of complexity” with O’Connell, and it makes a lot of sense, but when the simple elements aren’t there, how great is trying to fool the defense when it’s not being successful? The Vikings are 30th in EPA/play and 31st in success rate one season after being 21st in both categories, and 2025 was even worse in dropback EPA, ranking 28th in the league.

When we look at what’s going on with the Vikings’ offense, Murray is going to get the blame, and it’s warranted, but are we missing the forest for the trees? Maybe O’Connell’s the one at fault, and we haven’t been paying enough attention.

Making a change at quarterback is one thing, but I don’t think the Vikings will be able to make the change necessary to fix this offense.

“We’re into November now, and we got to start working with the same urgency we’ve had. Preparation has been really good, continuing to wait for that consistent four quarters of good football and see what that looks like,” said O’Connell after the game.

If the preparation is good and the offense continues to be “really close,” maybe O’Connell and the Vikings need to look inward as to why they are playing poorly.

I think Ive had my full of national takes on how the Vikings suck asz.

Still hoping things improve offensively, that game was there for the taking yesterday

Bingo. This is why any move for a QB ALSO requires an RB acquisition. https://t.co/aWHxwM93qI

— Jason Harmon (@JasonHarmonNFL) November 2, 2026

i think it is in KOC best interest next year to hire an OC and just be the HC. i do think he is a good HC. New system is needed. I for one do not want flores as head coach. He is at his best where he is.

Cricket wrote:

https://x.com/JasonHarmonNFL/status/2117243458460983693?a=6-14TTv75fcZlD8HKSE&s=20

the rb's are barely average. no speed at all

eckman wrote:

i think it is in KOC best interest next year to hire an OC and just be the HC. i do think he is a good HC. New system is needed. I fore one do not want flores as head coach. He is at his best where he is.

Maybe they can pry Udinski back from the Jags..😬

I believe Wes has some 8mm film on someone in Eagan and so he hangs on year after year - after year.

The locker room is NOT happy I guarantee it. Terrible team management all starting with hiring Childress. The Wilfs are NOT football people. Kwesi was a TERRIBLE choice and this is what we get. What I would like to know WHO wanted JJ and WHO wanted him gone. WHO cannot get Murray to play average? WHO is the common denominator in ALL OF THIS?

Justin Jefferson has only one 100-yard receiving day in his last 18 games. Jordan Addison has only two 100-yard performances since 2024. They're on pace for a combined 106 receptions this season, fewer than Jefferson has had individually in three separate seasons. https://t.co/vyJUvUBvoS

— Alec Lewis (@alec_lewis) November 2, 2026

It should also be noted that the 100 yard game Alec is referencing was against a Packers’ team resting their starters before the playoffs. Jefferson’s last 100 yard game before that was 13 months ago. https://t.co/L3PSsAGuzX

— Jason Harmon (@JasonHarmonNFL) November 2, 2026

The fact Kyler Murray is actively getting WORSE with the best weapons he’s ever played with should tell us all where the blame lies… https://t.co/el0vgj0sBU

— Jason Harmon (@JasonHarmonNFL) November 2, 2026

My report from Detroit https://t.co/JT0i7PmR9w

— Matthew Coller (@MatthewColler) November 2, 2026

Detroit, Mich. — In the moments following the Minnesota Vikings’ loss to the Detroit Lions, Justin Jefferson slammed his Halloween mask into his bag and left the locker room without a word to the media.

There is only one other time during his career that Jefferson hasn’t spoken to the media (last year vs. Seattle) and he has won the Korey Stringer Media Good Guy award twice. So if you’re wondering if this is unusual, the answer is very much yes. But in leaving without taking questions, Jefferson said everything that needed to be said.

The Vikings’ offense has been flat-out unacceptably bad and his lack of involvement is shocking. Jefferson finished the game with five catches on nine targets for 33 yards and one spectacular touchdown.

“We had some opportunities for him, there were some chances there and I thought we missed a couple of them high,” O’Connell said of Jefferson’s day. “We have to find a way to, especially on potential chances for him… kick off some momentum. He’s a great guy to do it behind and we’ll continue to find ways to get him football. But division game, these guys want to win. I don’t fault the frustration or the competitiveness in any way, shape or form.”

The offense as a whole gained 266 yards and went 3-for-11 on either third or fourth down and Kyler Murray totaled 185 yards if you include yardage lost to sacks. It’s almost hard to remember a time where Jefferson won Offensive Player of the Year or set records for the most yards ever at his age or when he was catching rockets from Sam Darnold en route to a top-10 passing game.

“It’s understood,” Murray said of Jefferson’s frustration. “He’s an all-pro, hopefully soon to be Hall of Fame type of guy when he’s done. You expect him to be frustrated when he doesn’t get the ball in games like this, in crunch time, give him opportunity. That’s understandable.”

Last year it was JJ McCarthy struggling to find him and this year it’s Murray either missing open opportunities — like a play early in the second half where the QB didn’t see him wide open on a slant route — or when he overthrew Jefferson for a key interception at the end of the half.

Jefferson’s silence makes it pretty easy to read between the lines, short and long term.

In the immediate, the Vikings are set to play the NFL’s best quarterback Josh Allen on Monday Night Football. While they are still 6-1 after the victory, there has to be a state of complete panic going into the game because another loss could start a tumble with Green Bay and San Francisco on the way.

They have to consider either starting Carson Wentz — the only QB who has been able to find Jefferson in the last 25 games — or keeping him ready in case they choose to bench Murray at some point against Buffalo.

In seven games with Wentz, Jefferson has 43 receptions for 613 yards. That’s a 17-game pace of 104 receptions for 1,489 yards. In other words: Normal Jefferson numbers.

In the bigger picture, the situation is now dire with Jefferson’s long term. He has been patient. He’s been a good soldier. He has opted to stay positive while the team is winning. But the elephant in the room is that his contract sets up to potentially demand a trade this offseason and if things keep going this way it’s very possible that he will do just that.

If we pull back for a minute and try not to be prisoners of the moment or get to far ahead of ourselves with Jefferson asking out, it’s still impossible not to wonder what in the world is causing them to struggle this much with this much talent.

Neither O’Connell or Murray had answers.

“Going to keep working for sure,” O’Connell said. “And there’s a lot of things to work towards in a positive manner because of the talent, the skill sets of all of our guys. But we’re into November now and we got to start working with the same urgency we’ve had. The preparation has been really good. Just continuing to wait for that consistent four quarters of good football and see what that looks like.”

Everyone else is waiting for that as well.

“Too many misses,” Murray said. “Too much inconsistency. We didn’t execute at a high enough level in a hostile environment on the road against a team that is, you know, they’re a good team. So credit to them for the way they played today. I thought we had our opportunities to get it done today, but we just didn’t.”

The players in the locker room who were willing to talk didn’t have answers either.

“We just gotta get it clicking,” TJ Hockenson said. “I have no waver in believing in these guys…we’ll go check the tape and come back on Wednesday.”

“We know what we can do with the talent in that room,” Jordan Addison said. “We just gotta get everybody to settle down and just make plays.”

The question now facing GM Nolan Teasley is whether he should try to fix the offense’s problems with Jonathan Taylor or Tony Pollard or another offensive lineman.

At 6-1, there’s a case to be made that a more effective run game could enhance Murray’s play significantly. He was forced to throw from third-and-long repeatedly and that’s far from his strength. Jordan Mason ran eight times for 20 yards and Murray finished as the leading rusher. At least Taylor has the ability to turn games on their head with a single handoff.

On the other hand, it’s hard to argue that any type of significant draft capital should be spent on a team that ranks at the bottom of the NFL offensively. Certainly they played well on defense for a portion of the game but true contending teams don’t consistently treat 300 yards of total offense like it’s climbing Mount Everest.

Is another handful of positive rushes really going to change their fate? That’s the toughest part about Jefferson’s walk-out. It seemed to be an acknowledgment that this train is headed the same place it always goes under KOC. They overachieve, folks wonder if they are “frauds” because of some obvious red flags and then ultimately the doubters are correct.

If there was any type of indignation toward that notion, the star receiver would have stuck around in the locker room to say so.

We keep kicking the can down the road on this Vikings offense. Maybe it will be better next week. Maybe it will improve with a different QB. Maybe it will take a step forward with a healthy lineup. Yada, yada.

The reality is that Murray is playing the worst football of his career and Jefferson’s production is the worst of his career and the run game is one of the worst in the NFL and these things have been happening for a long time.

Does that mean it’s O’Connell’s fault? He’s been calling the shots for the last 25 games of ineptitude so it’s hard not to look in that direction.

It didn’t help Murray that he called for six runs on second down and at least six yards to go, including a second-and-17 run to DeeJay Dallas, a 5-yard loss on second-and-10 that forced them into third-and-15 in Detroit territory and a 1-yard carry on second-and-6 with the game on the line in the final drive.

It also didn’t help that two of O’Connell’s biggest game-management decisions backfired. He went for fourth down early in the fourth quarter when a field goal would have brought the Vikings within a 12-10 deficit and then elected not to go for fourth with just over three minutes left, giving the Lions a chance to run out the clock (which they did).

But bad second-down runs or decisions gone wrong aside, the bottom line was that the throws on Sunday were there to be made and Murray couldn’t make it happen.

Until it does happen, the spotlight is going to get hotter and hotter on Murray and O’Connell, especially now that Jefferson has put everyone on notice with his postgame gesture.

Cricket wrote:

https://atozsports.com/nfl/kyler-murray-has-the-minnesota-vikings-in-a-difficult-conundrum-and-the-real-issue-lies-with-kevin-oconnell/
Kyler Murray has the Minnesota Vikings in a difficult conundrum, and the real issue lies with Kevin O’ConnellThe Minnesota Vikings made a calculated bet that Kyler Murray would be the guy at quarterback. It hasn’t worked out.
Coming out of the 2024 season, the Minnesota Vikings’ quarterback position felt like it had two correct answers in keeping Sam Darnold or going with the 10th overall pick, J.J. McCarthy, who showed a lot of promise.
Both decisions made a lot of sense at the time, and Darnold failing at the end of the season made the decision easier. Since they chose McCarthy over Darnold, the former was traded to the New York Giants for a ham sandwich (5th-round pick), and the latter won a Super Bowl as the starting quarterback.
All of the decisions they made led to Kyler Murray, and you can make a strong argument they were all wrong.
Kyler Murray has put Kevin O’Connell in a conundrumWhen the Vikings added Murray, it essentially ended McCarthy’s time in Minnesota and gave head coach Kevin O’Connell another opportunity to pick his quarterback. This is essentially O’Connell’s fourth quarterback after choosing to move on from Darnold, McCarthy, and, before them, Kirk Cousins.
I’m not going to beat around the bush: Murray hasn’t been good enough for the Vikings. Only once this season has Murray helped the Vikings put up more than 20 points on offense: 23-13 against the New Orleans Saints. Within those games, Murray has shown a lot of improvement, but nowhere near enough to feel confident that the Vikings have their guy.
The last two weeks have been viewed as the most frustrating so far, as the eye test was at times brutal. Murray has been leaving big plays on the field due to turning them down and his inaccuracies. Even so, when you look at the box scores, they really aren’t that bad.
Stat
Vs. Colts
At Lions
Completion %
58.3%
58.6%
Yards
150
210
Touchdowns
1
2
Interceptions
0
1
Rushing Yards
39
35
EPA/Play
0.16
0.06
Success Rate
44%
51%
aDOT
8.8
11.4
Murray’s completion percentage was at its lowest over the last two weeks after peaking at 80% against the New Orleans Saints. Overall, the stats look pretty solid, albeit not great. They are ones you can work with and win football games. So, why doesn’t the eye test match?
I think the answer is multi-faceted. First off, let’s start with the issues with Murray. He is struggling to see things down the field. It’s not because he’s short; Murray isn’t trusting what is happening down the field. The routes that O’Connell calls with anticipation aren’t being hit by Murray. Not trusting Justin Jefferson and Jordan Addison on those routes is a major problem, and likely isn’t one that will be solved anytime soon.
Murray is also spraying the ball when he is throwing it. Accuracy has always been his thing, and seeing him forget how to do the one thing that’s been his calling card is the most puzzling element of the discussion. It raises a litany of other questions about Murray and the offense as a whole.
That’s where we come to the biggest question of them all: is this more about Murray or O’Connell?
It’s no secret that Murray hasn’t been great so far this season, even though there have been flashes. The real issue with the Vikings is O’Connell’s offense. Is it too smart for its own good?
We see the concepts working down the field on the all-22, and how good O’Connell’s shot plays can be, especially the in-breaking concepts. It worked really well with Darnold under center, as he had the same kind of mentality that O’Connell did.
However, the last two seasons have been disastrous on offense.
McCarthy flashed some throws, but struggled to maintain composure in the pocket while those routes developed; some of those were muddy due to offensive line play. That has translated to whoever is playing quarterback. In fact, we often find O’Connell chasing these shot plays instead of focusing on moving the football and sustaining drives. Add in the lack of a successful rushing attack during his tenure, and we have a lot of major questions about what O’Connell actually does well.
Even with some subtle shifts in his play calling to appease Murray, O’Connell’s approach has been the same: attack vertically with shot plays. Where are his efforts to sustain possession of the football? It was good against the Saints, but that style, which objectively worked, dissipated quickly after the bye week.
Along with that, O’Connell doesn’t have the same level of creativity to create targets for his star receiver Jefferson in the way that other top minds have done so. Sean McVay is a master at getting Puka Nacua the football, as is Brian Schottenheimer with CeeDee Lamb and Zac Taylor with Ja’Marr Chase. Where is that level of creativity?
We were sold the “illusion of complexity” with O’Connell, and it makes a lot of sense, but when the simple elements aren’t there, how great is trying to fool the defense when it’s not being successful? The Vikings are 30th in EPA/play and 31st in success rate one season after being 21st in both categories, and 2025 was even worse in dropback EPA, ranking 28th in the league.
When we look at what’s going on with the Vikings’ offense, Murray is going to get the blame, and it’s warranted, but are we missing the forest for the trees? Maybe O’Connell’s the one at fault, and we haven’t been paying enough attention.
Making a change at quarterback is one thing, but I don’t think the Vikings will be able to make the change necessary to fix this offense.
“We’re into November now, and we got to start working with the same urgency we’ve had. Preparation has been really good, continuing to wait for that consistent four quarters of good football and see what that looks like,” said O’Connell after the game.
If the preparation is good and the offense continues to be “really close,” maybe O’Connell and the Vikings need to look inward as to why they are playing poorly.

This is it right here^.

Every year KOC talks about having a run game and improving the O-Line. Despite that, the line has never been great, and continues to have issues. He finally has actually started running the ball but his line isn't able to dominate the defense enough to be a basic run team. KOC has had years to fix the line.

KOC has had multiple QB's and only 2 had much success running his system. One left for more money because the Vikings were looking for a QB on a rookie contract to build around, and that QB's wife wanted to go back home. The other left because the Vikings allowed themselves to be outbid because they had their rookie contract QB waiting in the wings.

KOC's hands are dirty on the O-line front and the QB debacle.

But Kyler Murray is the primary reason for the Vikings offensive ineptitude. A QB who performs at a below average level against bottom tier defenses for the most part.

Will KOC compound his mistakes and ride Murray to his and the teams demise?

StickierBuns wrote:

100%. This was the oh so simple 'problem' that was so fixable. There was almost this smugness about it all when they named Murray QB1 in TC, the old smirk and watch and see now......how's that working out? The new QB 'standard'. Hell, its worse than last year. The passing game is ABYSMAL.

I guess the whole point is that I don't want to be right. I want this offense to fucking look great. You and I put away the JJM stuff and backed Kyler, 100% But I think the point to make is, it isn't just the conversation and differences that were had in the off season with them about the QB. It was how they said things. Undermining, demeaning, and diminishing anything we had to say. Like we were less. I won't go on for days about it, like we had to deal with.

We can have conversations. Because in the end, we now truly know that no one knows what will happen.