Dunno. Would be nice to have is settled. But I hope they both get some time in preseason games. Can't stand seeing the starters so rusty in game 1

greediron wrote:

Dunno. Would be nice to have is settled. But I hope they both get some time in preseason games. Can't stand seeing the starters so rusty in game 1

Not hard to fathom that AVG/Turner/Cashman/Qb1/Jetta/Darrisaw/Addison (and I could keep going) don't see much time in a PS game.

So where does this QB battle get hashed out?? In practice? One Ravens scrimmage?

“We’ve got a great plan in place, and we want to make sure when we get to training camp we’ve got a great plan, you don’t have a ton of time.” KOC

purplefaithful wrote:

Not hard to fathom that AVG/Turner/Cashman/Qb1/Jetta/Darrisaw/Addison (and I could keep going) don't see much time in a PS game.
So where does this QB battle get hashed out?? In practice? One Ravens scrimmage?
“We’ve got a great plan in place, and we want to make sure when we get to training camp we’ve got a great plan, you don’t have a ton of time.” KOC

I think this means they will not declare a starter at least until training camp, but that the plan they have in place for training camp is designed to determine the starter as quickly as possible. I think that's what everyone wants: QB1 getting all first-team snaps asap. If this drags out into late August, we could have a problem.

I don’t think there will be anything decided in minicamps.  I think minicamps are designated as a non-judgemental time period where guys are encouraged to learn without being scared of being judged for failure.  I think it will be split 50-50 all through minicamps.

I’d imagine that there will be probably about 1-2 weeks of competition in training camp, maybe up through the first preseason game if it’s a close competition.  I think KOC will give both guys the chance to showcase what they have.  I think everybody thinking they got a fair chance is more important than one guy being slightly more in tune with the top receivers.

medaille wrote:

I don’t think there will be anything decided in minicamps.  I think minicamps are designated as a non-judgemental time period where guys are encouraged to learn without being scared of being judged for failure.  I think it will be split 50-50 all through minicamps.
I’d imagine that there will be probably about 1-2 weeks of competition in training camp, maybe up through the first preseason game if it’s a close competition.  I think KOC will give both guys the chance to showcase what they have.  I think everybody thinking they got a fair chance is more important than one guy being slightly more in tune with the top receivers.

Agreed - nothing will get formally announced (or decided?) during these mini-camps. I do agree with MB, they will want it put to bed no later than that first week of TC and probably b4 the first pre-season game.

medaille wrote:

I don’t think there will be anything decided in minicamps.  I think minicamps are designated as a non-judgemental time period where guys are encouraged to learn without being scared of being judged for failure.  I think it will be split 50-50 all through minicamps.
I’d imagine that there will be probably about 1-2 weeks of competition in training camp, maybe up through the first preseason game if it’s a close competition.  I think KOC will give both guys the chance to showcase what they have.  I think everybody thinking they got a fair chance is more important than one guy being slightly more in tune with the top receivers.

This was never ever really going to be a competition. How could it be? How can KOC not see what a Kyler Murray would look like on this team once signed? I said for months that JJ was going to improve, how much I don't know. But if you name a QB1 after 7 to 14 days of training camp, that isn't a competition by any stretch. I said it never was going to work in a real way, its impossible on several levels which I've mentioned in past posts.

Murray is going to be QB1. But I also think JJ is going to get a shot at some point this year, via a minor injury from Murray or Kyler throwing too many INTs. And the best case scenario would be for McCarthy to rock out and then Minnesota doesn't have to look back any longer. My opinion on Murray is he can definitely be lightning in a bottle for a season, but not the long term answer.

p.s. in listening to KOC earlier this week, he mentioned that Kyler is learning a 'different kind of offense from what he's used to' which means outside of some plays designed for his mobility, Murray is going to have to adjust to KOC's downfield offense. Driving the ball down the field outside of moon balls. KOC trusts in that strategy and I agree. But can Kyler do it?

Okay, here's looking into my crystal ball...

Training camp dates are officially July 26 to Aug 14.

There are three pre-season games...Aug 15 (Giants), Aug 22 (Ravens with a joint practice with the Ravens days prior) and Aug 29 (Broncos).

I do not believe KOC will make the decision/announcement of QB1 during training camp. No real urgency to decide prematurely. My guess is that it will be the week of the Ravens joint practices/game. I am guessing that both JJM and K1 will split reps with Wentz & Brosmer against the Giants, and again during joint practices. I am predicting that KOC will want to see both likely candidates in real game action (vs just underwear) before making that final decision.

So there you have it...third week of August.

Write it down.

JustInTime wrote:

https://twitter.com/vikingzfanpage/status/2064736001054937530

Really? From OTAs? Makes sense! (wink, wink)

https://www.si.com/nfl/vikings/onsi/how-long-will-kevin-oconnell-continue-with-vikings-qb-competition

How Long Will Kevin O'Connell Continue With Vikings' QB Competition?

The competition could raise the level of both quarterbacks...or prevent them from maximizing their preparation.

The Vikings are holding a quarterback competition. No matter what you think about J.J. McCarthy's realistic odds of beating out Kyler Murray, it has been staged as a true competition so far. Some days, McCarthy gets the first reps with the starting group. Some days, it's Murray. There's a true split between the two, with Carson Wentz mixing in as the No. 3.

On the surface, that sounds like a reasonable plan. Let the two quarterbacks duke it out, and whoever earns the job earns the job. Get all of your signal-callers prepared. Iron sharpens iron, as they say. A rising tide lifts all ships.

But it's not quite that simple. While a quarterback competition comes with benefits in terms of things like motivation, there are also potential drawbacks. Murray openly complained on Tuesday about trying to get acclimated to the Vikings' complex offense while not getting a full slate of reps. To some degree, the longer the competition continues, the more the Vikings run the risk of not getting their eventual QB1 completely prepared for the regular season.

A QB competition also opens up everything for scrutiny, whether it's a single word in a Kevin O'Connell press conference or an early-June day where Murray throws two interceptions in 7-on-7 action, like he did on Tuesday. Even in the learning phase on the offseason, and in a setting that isn't quite real football, those things are going to be reported when media (myself included) are in attendance.

Any rep or quote or piece of body language can get magnified. McCarthy handled his Tuesday presser better after he made headlines for the way he talked about his relationship with Murray a couple weeks ago. It's also worth wondering about locker room dynamics and whether teammates feel like they, to an extent, have to pick a side.

It's still early enough that the element of competition probably makes sense. But how long will O'Connell keep it going? If it lasts into training camp, that would allow for plenty of evaluation as the practices grow more intense and football-like. But the closer we get to the regular season without the Vikings naming a starter, the more that person's preparation might be limited by not handling all of the reps with the first team.

"I have an idea of the appropriate time to then transition to preparing whoever that player's gonna be to get ready to go," O'Connell told ESPN's Lindsey Thiry on Tuesday. "We've got a great plan in place, and we wanna make sure that when we get to training camp, we've got a great plan. You don't have a ton of time. But it does set up well to check a lot of boxes from a standpoint of elevating that room, letting the competition play out, but also being able to make a decision and move forward."

Y'know what could be a very real possibility? I almost hate to bring it up because it would piss off a lot of fans. But it's this: JJ shows real improvement. In fact, he plays noticeably better than Murray early in training camp due to his familiarity with the offense and Murray's lack of familiarity....and the Vikings choose to go with Murray anyway due to his experience.

MaroonBells wrote:

Y'know what could be a very real possibility? I almost hate to bring it up because it would piss off a lot of fans. But it's this: JJ shows real improvement. In fact, he plays noticeably better than Murray early in training camp due to his familiarity with the offense and Murray's lack of familiarity....and the Vikings choose to go with Murray anyway due to his experience.

I thought of this already and agree. I can't see a way that KOC doesn't test drive Kyler Murray for awhile, despite if JJ outplays him in this competition.

StickierBuns wrote:

I thought of this already and agree. I can't see a way that KOC doesn't test drive Kyler Murray for awhile, despite if JJ outplays him in this competition.

Yeah, we can talk about stats and accuracy and deep balls, but the one big advantage Murray will always have over McCarthy is his in-game experience. I mean we're talking 10 starts vs. 87 starts. That's going to be hard to ignore come decision time.

MaroonBells wrote:

Y'know what could be a very real possibility? I almost hate to bring it up because it would piss off a lot of fans. But it's this: JJ shows real improvement. In fact, he plays noticeably better than Murray early in training camp due to his familiarity with the offense and Murray's lack of familiarity....and the Vikings choose to go with Murray anyway due to his experience.

This wouldn't bother me at all provided they make it clear either publicly or through the media that JJM is still in the longterm plans. Hopefully KO can keep McCarthy happy and invested here even if he's on the bench.

Pretty much the worst (plausible) thing this team could do from a personnel standpoint would be to not play JJM at all this season, give Kyler a bunch of money, and have it blow up in our faces two ways.

pattersaur wrote:

This wouldn't bother me at all provided they make it clear either publicly or through the media that JJM is still in the longterm plans. Hopefully KO can keep McCarthy happy and invested here even if he's on the bench.
Pretty much the worst (plausible) thing this team could do from a personnel standpoint would be to not play JJM at all this season, give Kyler a bunch of money, and have it blow up in our faces two ways.

It's going to be K1 and there probably isn't much question about it. All the platitudes will be given to both - it will be Ph D level word salad.

Minimally as a fan? I hope to see significant improvement from McCarthy during the preseason - and if he plays in regular season too. We didnt have a good bead on him the last two years, it would be nice to be on solid ground with a solid opinion of him (once and for all.)

Gotta make nice: as they HAVE TO keep their options open for whatever unfolds this year and for 27.

Teasley is the wild card - if the QB ship sinks (god forbid) then we will probably be in the hunt next year in that good looking QB class. Hopefully we dont sniff that though.

MaroonBells wrote:

Yeah, we can talk about stats and accuracy and deep balls, but the one big advantage Murray will always have over McCarthy is his in-game experience. I mean we're talking 10 starts vs. 87 starts. That's going to be hard to ignore come decision time.

I think the biggest thing is who is connecting on those intermediate and deep throws consistently that KOC loves. He's said he is looking for an igniter at the QB position. I think that means finding a guy who is going to pick up those chunk plays consistently and lead the offense. If one of them is clearly outperforming the other there, I think that is who wins the competition regardless of experience and all this other stuff.

MAD GAINZ wrote:

I think the biggest thing is who is connecting on those intermediate and deep throws consistently that KOC loves. He's said he is looking for an igniter at the QB position. I think that means finding a guy who is going to pick up those chunk plays consistently and lead the offense. If one of them is clearly outperforming the other there, I think that is who wins the competition regardless of experience and all this other stuff.

Driving the ball down the field is what KOC wants, totally agree. When I say I think Kyler is QB1 regardless for me isn't about his experience, its about his dynamic mobility and what that could look like extending plays to pass. I think KOC wants to try it out one time and either run with it or get it out of his system with Murray. Kyler's contract makes anything possible.

JustInTime wrote:

No way this stops until QB1 is officially named, sorry to say.

First it was Kyler will be the starter. OTAs - Kyler knows the playbook already, he is up to speed so fast! Like this isn't even a competition. Is the war over? That type of pussy bull shit.

Minicamp - The passive aggressive and body language comes out, which was a problem in Arizona. He doesn't know the playbook. JJ is out playing Murray and looking good. Now it's because he isn't up to speed? JJ should be further along at this time even though last week the talk was vastly different. Oh, and my all-time favorite, it is hot as hell out right now..

That side never ceases to amaze me.