So much for Geno

JimmyinSD wrote:
Kyler Murray’s accuracy stats when in the pocket are a key part of his performance profile, though they reflect both strengths and areas for improvement. 

Clean Pocket Completion Percentage: According to advanced metrics, Murray completed 70.6% of his passes when in a clean pocket, which ranks among the upper tier of NFL quarterbacks. This indicates solid accuracy when afforded time and protection.
Pass Accuracy and Target Depth: Despite his clean-pocket efficiency, Murray’s overall completion percentage (68.8% in 2025) is somewhat hindered by his average target depth of 7.1 yards, the 30th shortest in the league. This suggests he often throws short, high-percentage passes, which can inflate completion rates but limit explosive plays.
Inaccuracy Under Pressure: When pressured, his completion rate drops to 56.0%, highlighting vulnerability when the pocket collapses. This is a recurring concern, especially in games where pass protection falters.
Expected Completion Rate: In Week 1 of the 2025 season, Murray finished 3.9% below expected completion rate based on Next Gen Stats tracking data, indicating he missed several catchable throws, even in favorable situations. This suggests occasional inconsistency in timing and placement, particularly on deeper or contested routes.
Field Vision and Decision-Making: Some analysts note that Murray’s limited field vision—attributed to his height (5’10”) and release point—can lead to missed reads or forced throws, especially when he’s not scrambling. This is a noted concern in the pocket, where timing and sight adjustments are critical. 
In summary, while Murray shows strong accuracy in clean pockets, his overall effectiveness is tempered by inconsistencies under pressure, limited deep-ball success (25.0% deep ball completion rate), and occasional decision-making lapses, which remain focal points for improvement.

Well shit. That is kinda a downer. I don’t want to win 10 games. Push my chips all in on JJM. 

I hope someone trades for him because when the tough gets going he’s going to shrivel under the lights.

JimmyinSD wrote:
Kyler Murray’s accuracy stats when in the pocket are a key part of his performance profile, though they reflect both strengths and areas for improvement. 

Clean Pocket Completion Percentage: According to advanced metrics, Murray completed 70.6% of his passes when in a clean pocket, which ranks among the upper tier of NFL quarterbacks. This indicates solid accuracy when afforded time and protection.
Pass Accuracy and Target Depth: Despite his clean-pocket efficiency, Murray’s overall completion percentage (68.8% in 2025) is somewhat hindered by his average target depth of 7.1 yards, the 30th shortest in the league. This suggests he often throws short, high-percentage passes, which can inflate completion rates but limit explosive plays.
Inaccuracy Under Pressure: When pressured, his completion rate drops to 56.0%, highlighting vulnerability when the pocket collapses. This is a recurring concern, especially in games where pass protection falters.
Expected Completion Rate: In Week 1 of the 2025 season, Murray finished 3.9% below expected completion rate based on Next Gen Stats tracking data, indicating he missed several catchable throws, even in favorable situations. This suggests occasional inconsistency in timing and placement, particularly on deeper or contested routes.
Field Vision and Decision-Making: Some analysts note that Murray’s limited field vision—attributed to his height (5’10”) and release point—can lead to missed reads or forced throws, especially when he’s not scrambling. This is a noted concern in the pocket, where timing and sight adjustments are critical. 
In summary, while Murray shows strong accuracy in clean pockets, his overall effectiveness is tempered by inconsistencies under pressure, limited deep-ball success (25.0% deep ball completion rate), and occasional decision-making lapses, which remain focal points for improvement.

I'm with you.

JACOBY BRISSETT was better than Kyler Murray last year on the same exact team. What are we doing man

pattersaur wrote:

I'm with you.

JACOBY BRISSETT was better than Kyler Murray last year on the same exact team. What are we doing man

In fairness, that was an AI assessment to my general question as to Murray's pocket accuracy after the video posted.  As another poster noted that many of those shots had him throwing with a clear throwing lane and not having to see him throw over ol and defenders.

Im not sure what accuracy number look like when pressured are for other starters,  but I know that evem at his low price I am not seeing the longterm upside vs staying the course with JJM.  To many red flags with Murray for me.

JimmyinSD wrote:

In fairness, that was an AI assessment to my general question as to Murray's pocket accuracy after the video posted.  As another poster noted that many of those shots had him throwing with a clear throwing lane and not having to see him throw over ol and defenders.

Im not sure what accuracy number look like when pressured are for other starters,  but I know that evem at his low price I am not seeing the longterm upside vs staying the course with JJM.  To many red flags with Murray for me.

This has been such a hot topic on social media, with all the pro-Kyler people posting stats and the anti-Kyler people posting more stats. I've seen so many freaking stats about Kyler I'm getting dizzy: His under center percentage, pocket percentage, pocket accuracy, his drop percentage, percentage when targeting WR1, his efficiency over 10 yards, over 25 yards, his stats compared to Matt Stafford in Detroit, his numbers when healthy and when not, his win percentage indoors and outdoors, his numbers between '19 and '21, his numbers between '22 and '24, and his numbers last year. Each is a different Kyler because of injuries and supporting cast changes. 

You can torture the criteria to support any narrative you want. Bottom line is he's never played on an offense like the Vikings. Not even close. I also think that, like Brees in NOLA, Stafford in LA, Brady in Tampa and Sammy in Minnesota, he's going to be motivated. 

A 28-year old, 2X Pro Bowl QB who doesn't require a draft pick and will cost us less money than we're paying Tai Felton? On this offense? Are you kidding me? Viking fans should be a lot more excited about this possibility than they are.

MaroonBells wrote:

This has been such a hot topic on social media, with all the pro-Kyler people posting stats and the anti-Kyler people posting more stats. I've seen so many freaking stats about Kyler I'm getting dizzy: His under center percentage, pocket percentage, pocket accuracy, his drop percentage, percentage when targeting WR1, his efficiency over 10 yards, over 25 yards, his stats compared to Matt Stafford in Detroit, his numbers when healthy and when not, his win percentage indoors and outdoors, his numbers between '19 and '21, his numbers between '22 and '24, and his numbers last year. Each is a different Kyler because of injuries and supporting cast changes. 

You can torture the criteria to support any narrative you want. Bottom line is he's never played on an offense like the Vikings. Not even close. I also think that, like Brees in NOLA, Stafford in LA, Brady in Tampa and Sammy in Minnesota, he's going to be motivated. 

A 28-year old, 2X Pro Bowl QB who doesn't require a draft pick and will cost us less money than we're paying Tai Felton? On this offense? Are you kidding me? Viking fans should be a lot more excited about this possibility than they are.

are we really going to talk about the pro bowl again?  :P

I tend to disagree on him being motivated,  he doesnt seem to be as much of a gamer as he is a video gamer,  that whole thing speaks more to his mental approach to his chosen profession and it doesnt speak well of him.  I dont see a guy that really gives a shit,  hes got some money and he is going to enjoy life.