Jeremiah Mock Draft 2.0

MaroonBells wrote:

And here I was just relishing the fact that Hall would choose Minnesota over the Jets if he hits the market. That is one of the benefits of a positive, winning culture and having a good reputation around the league. My question is this: if you spend so much time building and cultivating that culture to attract players, why do you hire a coach that has received so much criticism from players around the league? This is three players from three different teams saying the same thing about Carter. How long before we start hearing rumblings from Darrisaw and O'Neill? 
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Jets assistant Keith Carter may not be a popular man in Florham Park.

Offensive tackle Mekhi Becton and running back Breece Hall both engaged with a post ripping the Jets’ offensive line coach/run game coordinator, although neither referenced Carter by name.

Former Titans offensive tackle Taylor Lewan first mentioned Carter in a post crediting fired Tennessee head coach Mike Vrabel, whom he played for. “Loved him as a coach (except 2018) loved his coaching staff (besides Keith Carter) it was hard work but it was always worth it,” Lewan posted on Instagram.

Becton, a pending free agent, commented on the post before later deleting his remark. “Second paragraph ain’t nothing BUT FACTS ?,” Becton posted. Hall then quote tweeted a post from a Jets fan that highlighted the line from Lewan that praised Vrabel and criticized Carter

“?????,” Hall tweeted.

While there’s certainly the possibility that Becton and Hall both were simply engaging with the remarks about Vrabel, it doesn’t take an Aaron Rodgers-level conspiracy theorist to see that the two Jets may not be thrilled with a coach they work with on a daily basis.

Former Falcons fullback Patrick DiMarco, who was coached by Carter in Atlanta, agreed with Lewan by commenting on his post: “Keith Carter was nobody’s favorite coach and I can say that with a lot of confidence.”

This whole signing is perplexing...If this guy has such a checkered past, wtf would they bring him in the bldg?

They fired a guy who they thought wasn't getting the job done. Then, hey let's just promote his assistant, a guy who is trashed by former players. Sounds about right, GO VIKINGS signed the Wilf's.

purplefaithful wrote:

This whole signing is perplexing...If this guy has such a checkered past, wtf would they bring him in the bldg?

I think we all need to stop pretending KOC knows what he's doing. I couldn't have been the only one to call his first coaching hire, easy Ed _onnatell, a train wreck waiting to happen. Why would you hire a guy who was awful in prior stops and wasn't even in charge of the defense at his immediate prior stop, to come in and run your defense? A defense mind you, that didn't fit your best players on that side of the ball

The reality is OConnell is extremely fortunate to have landed and retained Flores due to the lawsuit. Where would this team be without Flores the last few years? I can pretty much guarantee OConnell would be out. I haven't been impressed with any of the other coaches he has brought in and has really skated on a lot of criticism and passed the buck on poor decisions he has made. This Carter hire does not bode well for a team that constantly has offensive line issues

supafreak84 wrote:

I think we all need to stop pretending KOC knows what he's doing. I couldn't have been the only one to call his first coaching hire, easy Ed _onnatell, a train wreck waiting to happen. Why would you hire a guy who was awful in prior stops and wasn't even in charge of the defense at his immediate prior stop, to come in and run your defense? A defense mind you, that didn't fit your best players on that side of the ball

The reality is OConnell is extremely fortunate to have landed and retained Flores due to the lawsuit. Where would this team be without Flores the last few years? I can pretty much guarantee OConnell would be out. I haven't been impressed with any of the other coaches he has brought in and has really skated on a lot of criticism and passed the buck on poor decisions he has made. This Carter hire does not bode well for a team that constantly has offensive line issues

So arguably KOC coached the team to 13-4 & the 2022 division crown w/o a competent defensive coordinator. Pretty impressive… :P  KOC should also be given credit for quickly moving on from him, a lot of coaches egos would not have allowed that to happen so quickly.

Kentis wrote:

So arguably KOC coached the team to 13-4 & the 2022 division crown w/o a competent defensive coordinator. Pretty impressive… :P  KOC should also be given credit for quickly moving on from him, a lot of coaches egos would not have allowed that to happen so quickly.

Much like with the Wilfs, you get no credit for correcting a mistake that never should have been made in the first place...especially glaring mistakes

supafreak84 wrote:

Much like with the Wilfs, you get no credit for correcting a mistake that never should have been made in the first place...especially glaring mistakes

No, you give no credit, & as we well know you’re entitled to your opinion.

Kentis wrote:

No, you give no credit, & as we well know you’re entitled to your opinion.

That's right, because patting them on the back for cleaning up the milk THAT THEY spilled would make me look like an idiot, but if it makes you feel better, it's a free country...

supafreak84 wrote:

That's right, because patting them on the back for cleaning up the milk THAT THEY spilled would make me look like an idiot, but if it makes you feel better, it's a free country...

Well they could have left it to curdle… :P

Kipers latest and he takes the easy route with Thieneman...A reach at 18??

Some would argue yes

Dillon Thieneman, S, Oregon

Harrison Smith is 37 years old; he might retire this offseason, and even if he returns, the safety room in Minnesota still has to be replenished. How about a Smith clone? Thieneman might not have Smith's 6-foot-2 size (he's 6-foot), but he reads the QB well and is savvy. That matters a lot in defensive coordinator Brian Flores' defense, which asks a lot of rookies. Plus, Thieneman has versatility to move around the alignment, is a force against the run and had a six-INT season at Purdue back in 2023 before transferring to Oregon. He'd be a seamless fit in the Vikings' defense.

purplefaithful wrote:
Kipers latest and he takes the easy route with Thieneman...A reach at 18??

Some would argue yes

Dillon Thieneman, S, Oregon

Harrison Smith is 37 years old; he might retire this offseason, and even if he returns, the safety room in Minnesota still has to be replenished. How about a Smith clone? Thieneman might not have Smith's 6-foot-2 size (he's 6-foot), but he reads the QB well and is savvy. That matters a lot in defensive coordinator Brian Flores' defense, which asks a lot of rookies. Plus, Thieneman has versatility to move around the alignment, is a force against the run and had a six-INT season at Purdue back in 2023 before transferring to Oregon. He'd be a seamless fit in the Vikings' defense.

According to NFLMockDraftDatabase.com, 18 is the highest he's gone in any mock draft. Same with McNeil-Warren. I haven't watched much of either one yet, but we definitely need a safety, probably more than any other position.

MaroonBells wrote:

According to NFLMockDraftDatabase.com, 18 is the highest he's gone in any mock draft. Same with McNeil-Warren. I haven't watched much of either one yet, but we definitely need a safety, probably more than any other position.

It might be a trade-back scenario of some sorts if they have the 2 rated about the same, including fit in scheme. There are some good looking OL prospects in that neighborhood too.

purplefaithful wrote:

It might be a trade-back scenario of some sorts if they have the 2 rated about the same, including fit in scheme. There are some good looking OL prospects in that neighborhood too.

fuck that noise,  if they have a need and player is there to fill said need,  in a relatively logical position in the draft,  take the damn player at 18.  getting cute is why Kyle Hamilton is wearing the wrong shade of purple,  and why KAM is unemployed.  Why let some other team choose for you?   That mentality screams to me that a person isnt qualified to make the pick if they are willing to settle for what could amount to the lesser player.

JimmyinSD wrote:

fuck that noise,  if they have a need and player is there to fill said need,  in a relatively logical position in the draft,  take the damn player at 18.  getting cute is why Kyle Hamilton is wearing the wrong shade of purple,  and why KAM is unemployed.  Why let some other team choose for you?   That mentality screams to me that a person isnt qualified to make the pick if they are willing to settle for what could amount to the lesser player.

I'm reading the S from Oregon may be a reach at 18...Who knows? Not with all the miss-info out there this time of year and its early in the process too..

I tend to consider the over drafting of Ponder at 12 as a scenario more akin to this vs passing on Hamilton. Dont over-draft someone to fill position of need.

Both still grind my gears years later, especially Hamilton.

purplefaithful wrote:

I'm reading the S from Oregon may be a reach at 18...Who knows? Not with all the miss-info out there this time of year and its early in the process too..

I tend to consider the over drafting of Ponder at 12 as a scenario more akin to this vs passing on Hamilton. Dont over-draft someone to fill position of need.

Both still grind my gears years later, especially Hamilton.

In his latest prospect rankings, DJ has Thieneman listed at #23. I wouldn't hate this pick but after watching Seattle's DL dominate NE in the SB, I'm hoping for an IDL at #18. We very well could have our pick of the crop at our slot.

purplefaithful wrote:

It might be a trade-back scenario of some sorts if they have the 2 rated about the same, including fit in scheme. There are some good looking OL prospects in that neighborhood too.

Can't imagine the Vikings taking OL in the 1st, but stranger things....Yes, if they decide they have to have one of those safeties and their value is more in the mid-to-late 20s, then absolutely trade down. I tend to think, though, they'll take the best player available at their positions of need, and there are a few: CB, S, LB, DL, even WR depending on what happens with Addison and/or Nailor.