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MaroonBells wrote:
That may seem like a massive error now, but I don’t remember too many people screaming about our failure to sign any of them.

But extending those errors in judgement to the Wilfs!? C’mon.

I did. I wasn't very happy we passed on Aaron Rodgers and thought it was a mistake being that he wanted to be a Viking, we didn't know what we had in McCarthy who was coming off a season long injury. It would have taken pressure off McCarthy while getting actual practice reps behind a Hall of Fame player. Where was the downside in that? I didn't see one. But hey, the "whisperer" shit the bed on that one like he has with every quarterback decision all season.

All 5 original Vikings O-line starters good to go for battle with Washington
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J.J. McCarthy will have all five members of Minnesota's original offensive line plan for the 2025 season when he steps under center Sunday at noon in hopes of generating belief that he is the franchise quarterback the Vikings thought they got when they drafted him 10th overall in 2024.

McCarthy, who has returned from a one-game absence due to a concussion, will have left tackle Christian Darrisaw (foot/knee) and left guard Donovan Jackson (ankle) blocking for him. Both missed last week's 26-0 loss to the Seahawks, but they'll be joined by original starters Ryan Kelly at center, Will Fries at right guard, and Brian O'Neill at right tackle.

Both Darrisaw and Jackson were listed as questionable on Minnesota's final injury report on Friday.

The biggest name on the inactive report that the Vikings unveiled at 10:30 a.m. — 90 minute before the noon kickoff against the Commanders — is safety Theo Jackson (neck).

The others on the inactive report are quarterback John Wolford, defensive linemen Levi Drake Rodriguez and Elijah Williams, offensive linemen Joe Huber and Walter Rouse, and tight end Ben Yurosek.

Wolford was activated from the practice squad on Saturday. He'll be the emergency third quarterback, which means Max Brosmer will be McCarthy's backup QB.

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ArizonaViking wrote:
All 5 original Vikings O-line starters good to go for battle with Washington

I dont think we've had a full game with all 5 starters this year???

Not a one unless I'm missing something?

Thats just the way this year has gone...

Next time I wonder to myself why we can't have nice things? I'll remind myself of 2025 lol!

Looks like Darrisaw is starting today, Donovan Jackson is a game time decision.

purplefaithful wrote:

I dont think we've had a full game with all 5 starters this year???

Not a one unless I'm missing something?

Thats just the way this year has gone...

Next time I wonder to myself why we can't have nice things? I'll remind myself of 2025 lol!

We had the planned starting 5 either last well or the week before.  I'm thinking it was the week before.

MaroonBells wrote:

They put him out there because they thought he was ready after a year in the system—a year of taking mental reps. The dirty hands comment was about teams who put QBs in before they’re ready and then give up on them too soon. I think the misjudgment on the Vikings part comes from putting too much weight in the mental reps and not enough in the actual ones. Or JJ could just be a bust.

Vikings weren’t able to sign Jones, Darnold or Rodgers because none would be handed the starting job. Each would be competing with McCarthy. As it turns out, all three would’ve beaten out McCarthy, but none of them knew that at the time. No matter, each was given a starting role (and money) elsewhere. That may seem like a massive error now, but I don’t remember too many people screaming about our failure to sign any of them.

But extending those errors in judgement to the Wilfs!? C’mon.

My point was the how they did it, they sold a narrative about doing it right.  It's like your saying wait to call it child abuse till you you see how the kid turns out, what doesn't kill them will make them better.  Was it good to be put on the big stage and end up being being compared to JaMarcus Russel because someone's system needed to look good?  How many of the players players had a bad season because there wasn't a plan B for the QB development plan.  Don't get confused about me wanting this team to win or JJ being a great QB.  I just don't get the feeling this current leadership team can win till they can figure out how not to step on their own appendage when they try to run at the finish line.

BigAl99 wrote:

My point was the how they did it, they sold a narrative about doing it right.  It's like your saying wait to call it child abuse till you you see how the kid turns out, what doesn't kill them will make them better.  Was it good to be put on the big stage and end up being being compared to JaMarcus Russel because someone's system needed to look good?  How many of the players players had a bad season because there wasn't a plan B for the QB development plan.  Don't get confused about me wanting this team to win or JJ being a great QB.  I just don't get the feeling this current leadership team can win till they can figure out how not to step on their own appendage when they try to run at the finish line.

Man, I just don’t understand this kind of thinking at all. I can accept that they sold a narrative about doing it right. But I’m not convinced they did anything wrong. He was never going to start as a rookie, which was the right decision. They obviously had no control over his meniscus or his ankle or his concussion. And there’s zero doubt that missing 80% of his reps has had a big impact on his development. But yeah, hang the…um… WILFS!!?? lol

MaroonBells wrote:

Man, I just don’t understand this kind of thinking at all. I can accept that they sold a narrative about doing it right. But I’m not convinced they did anything wrong. He was never going to start as a rookie, which was the right decision. They obviously had no control over his meniscus or his ankle or his concussion. And there’s zero doubt that missing 80% of his reps has had a big impact on his development. But yeah, hang the…um… WILFS!!?? lol

I bought into the whole narrative, that having last year just studying and being in the QB room was going to really help his development.  KOC had seen too many organizations fail young players, I assume in hindsight he was referring to Manzeil, Haskins and Driscoll, so what did he do different?  Was it correct to let it be known during FA signing there would be no competition for QB?   I can rant on and on, but for me, the organization, looks naive at best, learning on the fly.  At worst there is a corporate calculus being made about key personnel that falls short of a SB producing team.   Over the years, in my career I've looked at companies and decided I didn't have confidence in the leadership and moved on for my mental well being.  Seen too many lifers with bad attitudes hanging around hoping it would get better because at one time it was really good.  What has improved during the Wilfs ownership, the team or the real estate empire?  To me the Wilfs core interest is real estate development not pride in the Vikings.   I don't want diss anyone here, I just don't enjoy this team like I used too, time for me back away perhaps, but old habits die hard.

I think the Wilfs can be faulted for some really bad hires over the years and for an org that isnt as football savvy as I would have liked. This manifests itself today with a front office that is less than stellar imo.

But I dont buy into the narrative they dont want to win. In fact, they are probably too much a fan and its clouded their decision making.

Everyone has to decide the amount of emotional capital they want to put into supporting a pro team. For me that has ebbed and flowed as I age out.

Its easy and fun when you're winning - those Eagle fans looked like they were having fun at SoFi last night - least till the end. I envy that.

JimmyinSD wrote:
I see the line has flipped on this one,  apparently Daniels is a 3 point swing.  Vikes were 1.5 point favs.  Not 1.5 point dogs.

I'd say that rivals the Bungles' game for Vegas being full of s**t.

purplefaithful wrote:
I think the Wilfs can be faulted for some really bad hires over the years and for an org that isnt as football savvy as I would have liked. This manifests itself today with a front office that is less than stellar imo.

But I dont buy into the narrative they dont want to win. In fact, they are probably too much a fan and its clouded their decision making.

Everyone has to decide the amount of emotional capital they want to put into supporting a pro team. For me that has ebbed and flowed as I age out.

Its easy and fun when you're winning - those Eagle fans looked like they were having fun at SoFi last night - least till the end. I envy that.

The Wilfs are real estate tycoons...they're used to seeing investments take time to pay off. They likely have a better understanding of that basic concept than most.

They also understand when to cut losses and switch staff, sell underperforming properties, and taking long looks at trusted employees.

For any and all 'misses' on draft pics, etc, I'm sure they'll be diplomatic but direct at upgrading/changing the scouting department and/or the decision tree on young prospects.

I'm also certain that they'll never hire from the collective that feels the need to do 5,000 mock drafts every year.

Since the Wilfs have owned the team (2005) we've only won three playoff games. That's right...three in 21 years! The only teams that have won less during that time period are perennial league doormats the Raiders, Dolphins, Browns and Lions. The Jets have had more postseason success than the Vikings since the Wilfs have owned the team! Maybe they should sell the team and stick to real estate tycooning because they've clearly been part of the problem and to think otherwise is simply turning a blind eye.