Another Dallas Turner Thread

JustInTime wrote:

Pretend it’s the middle of 1986… you guys bagging Doleman too? 

It typically takes a beat with Edge guys, especially with someone as young as Turner. 

As previously mentioned, Turner isn’t being used to his strengths sitting in the Ginks role. Traits are all there, it’s just going to take a bit until he isn’t thinking as much and is anticipating and reacting.

He’s not explosive that’s obvious, but it’s too early to say he will not be a solid starter

Bullazin wrote:
He’s not explosive that’s obvious, but it’s too early to say he will not be a solid starter

Every conceivable metric points to him being an explosive athlete. He’s not playing to his athleticism to date due to his role. Thinking not reacting.

StickierBuns wrote:

Could be. But Dallas Turner has played 22 NFL games, we are still waiting and as you mention 'it might take a beat'. Yet JJM has played in 2 games and its JJ 'Hope he's not Josh Rosen' McCarthy.....doesn't seem exactly equitable, right? 

We've all got our narratives.

Definitely might take a beat. Just like Doleman. 

Being on the field is kinda important, no? 

To date, JJ can’t even play. 

Inauspicious start to say the least.

You give up that kinda draft capital for a guy who's going to make you go wow from the git-go. And frankly, I can't recall anyone giving up that kind of draft capital and getting a real return ever, it's generally a fool's errand.

But giving it up for a guy who people now are making excuses for in year two is just kind of indicative of where this will probably end up - in the dumpster like most of KAM's picks. Yeah I realize he's young and could still find something, or maybe I'm just supposed to buy the bullshit from twitter in perpetuity, but meantime I don't see much there.

Turner, a 2024 first-round pick, was expected to take on an increased role in his second season with the Vikings, but his responsibilities have seen an even greater uptick as veteran outside linebacker Andrew Van Ginkel has missed five games because of a concussion and neck injury.

Through six games, Turner has played 271 snaps, just 39 shy of his 2024 season total. With his snap counts this season ranging from 29 to 65 and Van Ginkel out again, it’s possible Turner pushes past his rookie season snap total against the Chargers.

He has started five straight games and has 22 tackles, 1½ sacks, three tackles for loss and three quarterback hurries. His tackle total already surpasses 2024, and he’s well within reach of both his sack total (three) and QB hurry total (five).

Vikings coach Kevin O’Connell acknowledged this week that Turner is being asked “to do quite a bit, especially in our emphasis of trying to stop the run.”

He sucks.

And if you believe in the grades, they don't look great. But I don't need PFF to tell me what my eyeballs already have:

[img]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/G4CKCnnXoAAqu11?format=png&name=900x900[/img]

So, use PFF when it suits a narrative.

PFF has a cult following when it doesn’t suit a narrative.

Gotcha 

:dodgy:

lol, wait.....there's an alternative 'narrative' to Dallas Turner sucks? 

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comet52 wrote:
You give up that kinda draft capital for a guy who's going to make you go wow from the git-go.  And frankly, I can't recall anyone giving up that kind of draft capital and getting a real return ever, it's generally a fool's errand.

But giving it up for a guy who people now are making excuses for in year two is just kind of indicative of where this will probably end up - in the dumpster like most of KAM's picks.  Yeah I realize he's young and could still find something, or maybe I'm just supposed to buy the bullshit from twitter in perpetuity, but meantime I don't see much there.

Immediate is fair, but I would add that for a 17th pick, if he turns into a solid starter at any point you have done fine.  Ultimately the value of a 17th is what they paid.

JustInTime wrote:
Every conceivable metric points to him being an explosive athlete. He’s not playing to his athleticism to date due to his role. Thinking not reacting.

And that’s the thing, he tests explosive, but I’m not seeing it on the field. Could be for the very reason you state, and I agree with you on that. On the positive I do see the speed, strength and some bend.  He needs to be a solid starter at least and I think he will be that eventually. Perfectly fine for a 17th pick.

comet52 wrote:
You give up that kinda draft capital for a guy who's going to make you go wow from the git-go.  And frankly, I can't recall anyone giving up that kind of draft capital and getting a real return ever, it's generally a fool's errand.

But giving it up for a guy who people now are making excuses for in year two is just kind of indicative of where this will probably end up - in the dumpster like most of KAM's picks.  Yeah I realize he's young and could still find something, or maybe I'm just supposed to buy the bullshit from twitter in perpetuity, but meantime I don't see much there.

Immediate is fair, but I would add that for a 17th pick, if he turns into a solid starter at any point you have done fine.  Ultimately the value of a 17th is what they paid.

Dude’s more of a bust than a beast to date but I haven’t given up hope in thinking that he can keep improving. The team needs him and he’ll keep getting opportunities.

Pretend it’s the middle of 1986… you guys bagging Doleman too? 

It typically takes a beat with Edge guys, especially with someone as young as Turner. 

As previously mentioned, Turner isn’t being used to his strengths sitting in the Ginks role. Traits are all there, it’s just going to take a bit until he isn’t thinking as much and is anticipating and reacting.

Could be. But Dallas Turner has played 22 NFL games, we are still waiting and as you mention 'it might take a beat'. Yet JJM has played in [b]2 games[/b] and its JJ 'Hope he's not Josh Rosen' McCarthy.....doesn't seem exactly equitable, right? 

We've all got our narratives.

comet52 wrote:
You give up that kinda draft capital for a guy who's going to make you go wow from the git-go.  And frankly, I can't recall anyone giving up that kind of draft capital and getting a real return ever, it's generally a fool's errand.

But giving it up for a guy who people now are making excuses for in year two is just kind of indicative of where this will probably end up - in the dumpster like most of KAM's picks.  Yeah I realize he's young and could still find something, or maybe I'm just supposed to buy the bullshit from twitter in perpetuity, but meantime I don't see much there.

This is the best post I've seen regarding this subject. You expect an immediate contribution, day one starter, when you expend that much draft capital. It's more about piss poor player evaluation than the player himself. Perhaps he has super star potential and is being misused by the Vikings. But he's too small and weak to be great in his current role, and doesn't have the speed to make up for that deficiency. I think he will be a good player, but don't think he will ever be the player Kwesi, Grigson, Occonnel, or what ever scout pimped him, expected him to be.
The expectation for a 17th pick is a high impact long term starter. He may become a long term starter, but we are still waiting for the high impact part of the deal.

Maybe it’s my accounting background. 

A sunk cost is a past, unrecoverable expense of money, time, or effort that cannot be recouped. Because these costs have already occurred and cannot be changed, rational decision-making dictates that they should be ignored when making future choices, though they often influence behavior through the sunk cost fallacy.
Key characteristics
Irrecoverable: Sunk costs are expenses that are gone and cannot be gotten back, such as money spent on non-resalable equipment or marketing campaigns that failed.
Past-oriented: The cost has already been incurred and exists in the past. It is distinct from future or opportunity costs.
Excludes from future decisions: For rational decision-making, sunk costs should not factor into a choice. The decision should be based on future costs and benefits only.

[b]You give up that kinda draft capital for a guy who's going to make you go wow from the git-go.[/b]  And frankly, I can't recall anyone giving up that kind of draft capital and getting a real return ever, it's generally a fool's errand.

[b]But giving it up for a guy who people now are making excuses for in year two is just kind of indicative of where this will probably end up - in the dumpster like most of KAM's picks[/b].  Yeah I realize he's young and could still find something, or maybe I'm just supposed to buy the bullshit from twitter in perpetuity, but meantime I don't see much there.

This ^

The guy has played 22 games, lol....and still some are waiting for that egg to hatch. KAM gave up a bunch to get him and he's playing like a penny stock.

"His use of his gifts to rush the passer are being used and emphasized but also growing on a daily basis" -Head Coach Kevin O'Connell on @UnoErra pic.twitter.com/fG5k3ibfsr

— Minnesota Vikings (@Vikings) October 21, 2025

JustInTime wrote:
https://x.com/vikings/status/1980708955820020158?s=46&t=TjjB9Q4BmOwmN74RrrMjoQ

Well who can argue with KOC's perpetual sunshine word salad approach to all things Vikings?  :rolleyes:

Joking aside, I understand your argument about sunk costs and that bemoaning them isn't particularly productive.

But at the same time, if we buy a gold plated Snickers bar for a year's worth of grocery money, then we unwrap it and the chocolate tastes bitter and the peanuts are moldy and the caramel is overcooked, well yeah it's a sunk cost, but maybe we need to rethink our spending strategy and / or get someone smarter to buy the groceries so we can actually eat and not starve.

Many do seem to long for the days of that golden throated dufus that was Mike Tice…kinda telling

Well who can argue with KOC's perpetual sunshine word salad approach to all things Vikings?  :rolleyes:

Yes, lets please cue up KOC talking about Carson Wentz and Jeff Okudah, lmao. Its like asking Mom if she thinks her son did it when he's holding a smoking gun and the police have his DNA.