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MaroonBells wrote:

People just overrate draft picks, almost as much as NFL teams do. You see a difference maker you believe in and it takes a future middle rounder or two to go get him, you do that. Every time. Of course you do.

And, if we hadn’t traded all those draft picks away in prior years for Cam Akers three or four times, we would have had the ammo to get that person without damaging our future to do so.  I’m not against using future picks wisely.  I don’t see the scenario you’re describing as using them wisely.  We landed someone who should help us immediately by moving down and I’m all for that.  Now we can use our next pick to move down a little and probably add another pick late.  We throw a ton of money out in rookie FA and use $20MM more in cap to fill out the roster and then using a draft pick for 26 to bring a talented backup qb in if we can’t get something of quality. Then you’re talking losing 5th or 6th round picks instead of likely 1st round picks to get to 38. Our second round plus third round pick next year likely gets us a deep 2nd round pick at best in this draft that by all accounts. Anybody we got there really isn’t someone that’s going to change things dramatically for this year’s team.

purplefaithful wrote:

I didnt either...

Look, Vikings (hopefully) will be drafting in low 1st round for a while. Just like Ravens, Chiefs, Eagles...

I would not have given up a #1 for 38, but I would have given up quite a bit - if that talent I wanted was there. And it was.

Looking at the draft, I think I know where 38 comes from. That's where Henderson was taken. And MG is right. That would've taken next year's 1st. I don't do that. I would have for Jeanty in the 1st round, without blinking an eye. 

Harvey went at 60, which would've cost us our 2026 2nd rounder. I definitely think about that one long and hard. But we don't even know that the Vikings even WANTED a RB. I know most of US did, but unless there's one more thing I haven't yet heard this morning, for all we know the Vikings may have been trying to move up for another position.

MaroonBells wrote:

Looking at the draft, I think I know where 38 comes from. That's where Henderson was taken. And MG is right. That would've taken next year's 1st. I don't do that. I would have for Jeanty in the 1st round, without blinking an eye. 

Harvey went at 60, which would've cost us our 2026 2nd rounder. I definitely think about that one long and hard. But we don't even know that the Vikings even WANTED a RB. I know most of US did, but unless there's one more thing I haven't yet heard this morning, for all we know the Vikings may have been trying to move up for another position.

I would have done that Harvey deal. 

I think its becoming clearer (with benefit of hindsight) they were not jonsing for a RB much...Maybe if there is a kid there they like late?

D needs some lovin b4 this draft is over.

MaroonBells wrote:

Looking at the draft, I think I know where 38 comes from. That's where Henderson was taken. And MG is right. That would've taken next year's 1st. I don't do that. I would have for Jeanty in the 1st round, without blinking an eye. 

Harvey went at 60, which would've cost us our 2026 2nd rounder. I definitely think about that one long and hard. But we don't even know that the Vikings even WANTED a RB. I know most of US did, but unless there's one more thing I haven't yet heard this morning, for all we know the Vikings may have been trying to move up for another position.

I just used 38 as an example, take your pick of trying to get up a few more for Emmanwori Schlesinger or Ferguson at TE or whoever you thought was a difference maker in that range of the 2nd round.

I was against using day 1 and 2 picks next year to move up in this years draft as I think they will be better used next year and will get more value from those 3 or 4 players selected than what we would gain from 1 marginally better player this year.

I may be wrong, but then again...i may be wrong.

RBs will be there next year......and every single year of the Draft. Not sure how that's retarded, but whatever. So the Draft wasn't as exciting as you wanted it to be, the bottom line is still how the picks actually pan out that have been selected. And as MAD said, I'm sure they tried some things to possibly get some guys they coveted, possibly RBs. They don't operate in a vacuum, picks/moves are made by other teams as well. So that dictates strategy as well in real time.

I'm guess I'm alone in not ever being upset about picks made each year, I get upset when they don't pan out in the future. I stopped really hardcore judging early when I found myself not liking the Justin Jefferson pick on Draft day. You just never know until you know.

JustInTime wrote:


Like I said pretty clearly I'm surprised so many were against moving up. Which we appeared to try to do. I'm guessing had we actually moved up at the cost of 26 draft capital we'd be hearing many singing a different tune. Or do you think people would be pissed had we acquired any of the prospects I mentioned? Doubt it, but then again I've been surprised at folks thought processes before.  :cool:

Pretty sure I didn't say I was upset about any pick. I did express my concerns over not taking a swing to address needs, while not glaring, still exist. Just takes a couple injuries to guys we acquired who were all pretty much coming off injuries to fuck up a season. Or an unproven starter to not fulfill their potential with a pretty bare cupboard behind them.

But, maybe that's just me.

Hey, what we got are opinions. All good, no right or wrong. And yeah, my concern is always will what appears to be a great FA or Draft on paper actually pan out. No fan base in the NFL is ever going to be universally happy about any move or selection they make, especially on Twitter which is mostly a shit show.

MAD GAINZ wrote:


Absolutely.  But if we had to trade our 2026 first + 97 (and maybe more) to get to 38 for Trevyeon Henderson...  Is that smart?  I love him, but that's a lot of draft capital to give up for a RB.  And we have Aaron Jones, Jordan Mason, and Ty Chandler already on the roster.

Or is it better to wait until Day 3 and maybe get Skattebo, Jordan James, or Brashard Smith with how the board fell yesterday?  I really like Bowman as a center fielder at S to improve our coverage over Bynum.  Pegues is an intriguing DT still available.  And then RB is still really deep.

Everyone is forgetting that we also have 2nd year players Taki and LDR at DT.  Vikings can go a lot of different ways today and come away with some intriguing depth.

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MaroonBells wrote:


My answer to that will always be the same. You see a difference maker you really believe in, you go get him. If it takes a future middle rounder or two, so be it. 

Did you really hear we were offering our 1st rounder next year? No, I don't do that. But I'll give up a heapin' helpin of future middle rounders—the Chaz Surrats, Wyatt Davises and Dru Samias of the world—to move up small and get a player I think his head and shoulders above the "next guy on the list."

.....or the Stefan Diggs (5th), Cam Bynum (4th), KJ Osborn (5th), Josh Metellus (6th) etc. Works both ways. Can't act like the middle rounds are garbage and worth giving away to chase 'difference makers', which is highly subjective. But yes, be aggressive when you can and feel very strongly about it. I just don't think that happens as often as you'd think. And again, every team is operating in the space so it can be a challenge to execute what you might feel as an organization is worth trading up for.

MaroonBells wrote:

People just overrate draft picks, almost as much as NFL teams do. You see a difference maker you believe in and it takes a future middle rounder or two to go get him, you do that. Every time. Of course you do.

Yup. Not exactly rocket science. Yet so many could not see that.