2025 NFL Combine and Misc Draft Material

JustInTime wrote:

So, let’s just say in a weak year for WRs your WR1 guy slides. Honestly I have barely looked at WRs so let’s say it’s T-Mac. Assuming he pans out and if there’s a position that just screams high bust rate it’s QB then WR imo. You’ve got 3 years of top 3 WRs under contract with Addison’s 5th year option. Again you force Ds to play two deep. You control the game with the chess pieces on the board. The only downside is WR3 last year played 51% of the snaps. It’s an interesting possibility.

I don't mind taking a WR somewhere. Just probably not with our first pick. As you so correctly point out, WRs bust a lot. What if he misses? What if he's Reagor or Ruggs or Davis or Treadwell? Missing on a player who fills a need is bad enough, but if you miss on a player who doesn't, man that's a hard pill. I'll roll with Speedy and Moore and take a shot on a high-upside UDFA and feel pretty good about it.

MaroonBells wrote:

I don't mind taking a WR somewhere. Just probably not with our first pick. As you so correctly point out, WRs bust a lot. What if he misses? What if he's Reagor or Ruggs or Davis or Treadwell? Missing on a player who fills a need is bad enough, but if you miss on a player who doesn't, man that's a hard pill. I'll roll with Speedy and Moore and take a shot on a high-upside UDFA and feel pretty good about it.

One of the reasons I like Savion is you can really stress a D. His skillset is so different from what we currently have. Or at least it’s wrapped in a much bigger package than Moore. 

You could Aaron Hernandez him for a game and rush him 25 games and he’ll give you 100+ easy. Want to Wildcat in the deep RedZone, you’ve got a plus sized QB. Tunnel screen? Jet sweep? He’s got hands good enough to snatch a ball low and behind him with ease. Excellent at contested passes. You just have to get him to concentrate. McCardell maxes him out. I guarantee he could be a weapon in the right hands.

MaroonBells wrote:

I don't mind taking a WR somewhere. Just probably not with our first pick. As you so correctly point out, WRs bust a lot. What if he misses? What if he's Reagor or Ruggs or Davis or Treadwell? Missing on a player who fills a need is bad enough, but if you miss on a player who doesn't, man that's a hard pill. I'll roll with Speedy and Moore and take a shot on a high-upside UDFA and feel pretty good about it.

Or if you hit on that receiver, you recreate the new greatest show on turf with KOC playing Mike Martz and McCarthy as the trigger man. That's an appealing possibility to me. If you can add a playmaker that takes this offense to the next level...giddy up. Also why I'm still firmly in the "let's draft a running back" camp.

Jeremiah updated top 50 

https://www.nfl.com/news/daniel-jeremiah-s-top-50-2025-nfl-draft-prospect-rankings-4-0

The WR I want is Jaylin Noel. I think he's a guy that will punish teams deep and also offer a quick passing game we've been missing.

Only downside is that I think he overlaps too much with Addison. He's got so much speed and quickness.

Savion Williams is a physical specimen. Provides easy, immediate speed from the snap. He isn’t the most twitchy player, but he has a quick first step off the line and smooth footwork when asked to gear down and drop his hips or at the top of his route stem. He has good bend on in-breaking routes.
Williams was a manufactured touch king at TCU, with screens, handoffs and wildcat quarterback snaps. The TCU coaching staff focused on getting Williams involved in various ways every game.
Williams has more than a few concentration drops on film, with at least an 11% drop rate in three of his final collegiate seasons. Overall, I’m not worried about his hands, as many of these are of the concentration variety. A better measuring stick for his mitts is his 75% contested catch rate in college.
He has no issues keeping his focus with 50/50 balls in the air or passes outside of his frame. The ball placement from his quarterbacks at TCU didn’t do him any favors. He was forced to adjust to plenty of inaccurate targets. Williams is a nice red zone threat with the size to box out smaller corners.
Williams should be eased into a full-time traditional wide receiver role in the NFL. He has the traits to become a needle-moving wide receiver. In the limited snaps where he faced physical coverage at the line, he exhibited good hand fighting and the play strength to fight through it in his routes and earn separation, but it was a small sample.

Add a guy with a unique skill set. Floor is Patterson ceiling is gigantic Percy Harvin.

medaille wrote:
The WR I want is Jaylin Noel.  I think he's a guy that will punish teams deep and also offer a quick passing game we've been missing.

Only downside is that I think he overlaps too much with Addison.  He's got so much speed and quickness.

I like Noel, Savion Williams and Kyle Williams in the 3rd/4th round area. But I think the odds of us taking a WR anywhere in the draft are in the single digits.

MaroonBells wrote:

I like Noel, Savion Williams and Kyle Williams in the 3rd/4th round area. But I think the odds of us taking a WR anywhere in the draft are in the single digits.

Noel is a player I was on a couple months ago. Really good player and can play well out the slot. Love Kyle Williams, do it all type of WR in every phase of the offense without the question marks with his hands,

Canthony wrote:

Noel is a player I was on a couple months ago. Really good player and can play well out the slot. Love Kyle Williams, do it all type of WR in every phase of the offense without the question marks with his hands,

Interesting.

Here’s what I found after 1 search on Williams.

Overview
Fifth-year senior with alignment versatility and home run potential. Williams will never be tabbed as “sure-handed” but he can separate deep and create big plays, which could make the catch issues easier to swallow. He eliminates pursuit angles as a catch-and-run artist and gets respectful cushions, allowing for easy comeback throws. His lack of route-running fundamentals limit his tree, but that should be correctable with work. Williams' subpar hands lower his floor, but teams looking to add a playmaker could have him queued up as a future WR3.

Add to this in my next search:

The route tree isn’t particularly diverse for Williams, but the movement skills suggest that there’s the required growth potential to become a more complete receiver. Nearly a quarter of his routes this season were “go’s,” and when you build out his top three most frequent routes (go’s, hitches, and out route), he’s sitting at more than 52 percent of all routes run. The precision on hard-angled breaks must improve to cut down on angles for defenders to drive and attack the football.

I limited myself to free sites to be fair. 

If you like him, that’s cool. Some guys like fat chicks and bargain basement vodka. :cool:

For gits and shiggles....my comments in parentheses

Chris Simms Top 5 WR Rankings- 7 Year Review. 

2025
1. Travis Hunter
2. Kyle Williams
3. Tetairoa McMillan
4. Jaylin Noel
5. Tre Harris

2024 (this one is very good)
1.Malik Nabers
2.Brian Thomas Jr.
3.Marvin Harrison Jr.
4.Rome Odunze
5.Roman Wilson

2023 - (Arguably the best WR, Addison, isn't even listed)
1.Zay Flowers
2.Jaxon Smith-Njigba
3.Quentin Johnston
4.Michael Wilson
5.Jalin Hyatt

2022 (Six WRs were taken in the 1st round, most underachieved. No Garrett Wilson or Olave on his list)
1.Jameson Williams
2.Christian Watson
3.Alec Pierce
4.Treylon Burks
5.Drake London

2021 (Nico Collins just under Chase IMO and he was taken in the 3rd round)
1.Ja’Marr Chase
2.Devonta Smith
3.Dyami Brown
4.Jaylen Waddle
5.Kadarius Toney

2020 (I did better with my top 5: Jefferson, Lamb, Jeudy, Higgins, Aiyuk. At least he was right to leave Reagor off)
1.CeeDee Lamb
2.Justin Jefferson
3.Henry Ruggs III
4.KJ Hamler
5.Tee Higgins

2019 (Marq Brown, N'Keal Harry went first, both busts. Metcalf went 9th. Have to give credit there)
1. DK Metcalf
2.Parris Campbell
3.Marquise Brown
4.Deebo Samuel
5.Aj Brown

Woof.

Looks like that 25 class is going to rival that 22 class. 

Savion Williams

6-foot-4
222 pounds

4.48 speed
93rd pecentile wingspan
94th percentile hand size pic.twitter.com/EMkfu0Co2C

— Jacob Gibbs (@jagibbs_23) April 4, 2025

“Where did he go?”

How the 2025 RB Class stacks up 📊@CTM_Show | @StevePalazzolo_ | @SamMonsonNFL pic.twitter.com/bm2DwwMLuo

— The 33rd Team (@The33rdTeamFB) April 5, 2025

Interesting sleeper. Same guy has JCM. Obviously one astute mfer.

Johnson and Hampton too high, Harvey and Henderson too low on both. And someone needs to introduce "steve" to Damien Martinez. Also a little surprising that Scootin' Tuten isn't on either list. He'd be on mine.

In no world is Scattebo or Kaleb Johnson drafted before Henderson and Judkins or are better prospects. I swear, some draft people this time of year are just trying to be different and create controversy (or clicks). Utter nonsense

supafreak84 wrote:
In no world is Scattebo or Kaleb Johnson drafted before Henderson and Judkins or are better prospects. I swear, some draft people this time of year are just trying to be different and create controversy (or clicks). Utter nonsense

Have you met Chris Simms? Yeah, it’s pretty transparent. It’s either for clicks or just not having any scouting chops.

Savion Williams https://t.co/wHTxl9W17A pic.twitter.com/VJppwtE0h8

— Jacob Gibbs (@jagibbs_23) April 5, 2025

What a 75% win rate on contested catches looks like. 10.25” hands.

supafreak84 wrote:
In no world is Scattebo or Kaleb Johnson drafted before Henderson and Judkins or are better prospects. I swear, some draft people this time of year are just trying to be different and create controversy (or clicks). Utter nonsense

In his defense, if you had the superpower to look into the future and rank these RBs how they actually perform in the NFL, it would look like you were drunk when you ranked them. 

For example, take the 2022 WR class. The best was the 20th taken (Nacua) 2nd best was the 4th taken (Addison). That would be like ranking your RBs with Kalel Mullings at the top followed by Quinshon Judkins. How about last year's RB class? The best was taken 6th (Irving), 2nd best was taken 14th (Tracy). That would be like ranking your RBs with Skattebo at the top followed by Jayden Blue.

MaroonBells wrote:

In his defense, if you had the superpower to look into the future and rank these RBs how they actually perform in the NFL, it would look like you were drunk when you ranked them. 

For example, take the 2022 WR class. The best was the 20th taken (Nacua) 2nd best was the 4th taken (Addison). That would be like ranking your RBs with Kalel Mullings at the top followed by Quinshon Judkins. How about last year's RB class? The best was taken 6th (Irving), 2nd best was taken 14th (Tracy). That would be like ranking your RBs with Skattebo at the top followed by Jayden Blue.

Truth.

This really speaks to the fact no one really has a good handle on scouting.

JustInTime wrote:

Truth.

This really speaks to the fact no one really has a good handle on scouting.

And its more of an art than science vs what the industry wants to believe. 

It's still human beings we're trying to pigeon hole and rank

purplefaithful wrote:

And its more of an art than science vs what the industry wants to believe. 

It's still human beings we're trying to pigeon hole and rank

At the bold, I agree completely. And that's a good way to put it. In fact, sometimes I think the less science you put into it (math, metrics, stats, RAS), the better off you are. It's like you mean to tell me that player X is better than player Y because his YPC is a half yard better despite playing in a different offense in a different conference with different blockers against different defenses? You do that and I'll watch their feet and we'll see who does better. 

Actual NFL scouts, guys who get paid to travel the country and watch players and write evals, have proven time and time again they are absolute shit at this. Just read their comments about Aaron Donald I posted a couple days ago. You would think with as much money at stake as there is, and as many resources as they have, NFL teams would've found a way by now to be a little more accurate than they are.