Pelissero: Most Logical is Darnold Staying in Minn

StickierBuns wrote:
#Vikings QB JJ McCarthy said he “feels fantastic” and “couldn’t be in a better spot mentally, physically and spiritually.”

McCarthy said it’s “fair to say” that he’s ahead of schedule.
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Sounds like Damage Control  ;)

StickierBuns wrote:

My strong guess is they've always felt this way since they surprisingly had a competition for starting QB in the preseason before JJM's injury. The rest of it has been white noise generated and created by the 24/7 sports media machine. Making up their own news and then responding to that news is how they maintain their jobs. Young fans will pick it up and run with it as always. 'Ahead of schedule' is something I've heard about McCarthy his whole career, get used to it. 

It was a meniscus tear. Not an ACL or Achilles injury. The Vikings love McCarthy. Darnold was always a one and done QB for Minnesota. The only real question is how will JJ perform. I'll surmise 'ahead of schedule'. They believe in him, they want that rookie contract to work off of and expect him to start.

I think the white noise was generated by the Vikings playing with scenarios that gives them something in return for Darnold. I've always felt that the most likely scenario is just letting him get what he can on the open market, but that doesn't mean they didn't (and still aren't) playing out scenarios. 

I think the only real bullshit clickbait was the trade talk involving JJ. That was floated by people who clearly didn't think things through. But it was click-o-licious for many.

Waterboy wrote:

I'm overwhelmingly fine with going with JJM with Daniel Jones as your #1 backup going into the season.

Why do many assume Jones re-signs here as a backup instead of some place that doesnt already have their desired QB1 on the roster?

Latest from the Rich Eisen show:

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J.J. McCarthy is “ahead of schedule” and “able to do just about everything now”, per @AlbertBreer,
The @Vikings are also comfortable with him as the starting QB in 2025"

“He’s ahead of schedule. He’s able to do just about everything now… he’s going to have a full offseason. So he’s not going to be limited by anything this offseason… they’d be comfortable with him as the starting QB in 2025.”

JimmyinSD wrote:

Why do many assume Jones re-signs here as a backup instead of some place that doesnt already have their desired QB1 on the roster?

He turned down 2 teams that wanted him to start last year to come here to be put on the practice squad. Also, KOC knows him very well. Was part of the draft process with him. I think its very likely he will stay here and compete with JJ

Canthony wrote:

He turned down 2 teams that wanted him to start last year to come here to be put on the practice squad. Also, KOC knows him very well. Was part of the draft process with him. I think its very likely he will stay here and compete with JJ

Nobody was signing Jones midseason to be their starter.  Nobody has starter money tucked away to drop on a midseason change at starting QB.  What he did at the end of this past season and what he'll do going forward are completely different things.  Everyone was offering him around the same amount of money.

The Vikings will have a hard time offering him one year $10M if someone is offering him 3 years, $60M, but maybe he thinks he'll be able to flip it into a 3 years $100M by waiting a year?

I believe this is how the Vikings feel as well. 

My strong guess is they've always felt this way since they surprisingly had a competition for starting QB in the preseason before JJM's injury. The rest of it has been white noise generated and created by the 24/7 sports media machine. Making up their own news and then responding to that news is how they maintain their jobs. Young fans will pick it up and run with it as always. 'Ahead of schedule' is something I've heard about McCarthy his whole career, get used to it. 

It was a meniscus tear. Not an ACL or Achilles injury. The Vikings love McCarthy. Darnold was always a one and done QB for Minnesota. The only real question is how will JJ perform. I'll surmise 'ahead of schedule'. They believe in him, they want that rookie contract to work off of and expect him to start.

It'll be interesting to see what happens with Dimes now. He and JJ in the QB room would be ideal for 2025. McCarthy could really benefit from his experience and perspectives.

Some team might make Dimes a deal he can't turn down, but yeah ideally he'd be great as the backup. There might be some other vet options out there as well late this summer that could fit the bill.

#Vikings QB JJ McCarthy said he “feels fantastic” and “couldn’t be in a better spot mentally, physically and spiritually.”

McCarthy said it’s “fair to say” that he’s ahead of schedule.
@RichEisenShow

medaille wrote:

Nobody was signing Jones midseason to be their starter.  Nobody has starter money tucked away to drop on a midseason change at starting QB.  What he did at the end of this past season and what he'll do going forward are completely different things.  Everyone was offering him around the same amount of money.

The Vikings will have a hard time offering him one year $10M if someone is offering him 3 years, $60M, but maybe he thinks he'll be able to flip it into a 3 years $100M by waiting a year?

The Raiders and 49ers when Purdy went down. He could have played right away last season is what I am saying. He chose not to and came here to play under KOC.

Sounds like Damage Control  ;)

Literally. ;)

Justin Jefferson said he wanted Kirk back too and the Vikings moved on. I think JJ is just trying to support the current starting QB... we'll see what happens.

StickierBuns wrote:
Very interesting quote here from Jefferson:

The Purple Persuasion
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Justin Jefferson seems to make the plea that he wants Sam Darnold back and even says “I feel like we’re gonna bring Sam back”.
Jefferson does note @Vikings rookie QB J.J. McCarthy will get “his shot” at some point because he’s a 1st-round pick.

JMO, I don't think Jefferson would say this unless he was privy to some internal insight.

One interesting thing brought up by the cap expert I posted in another thread is that "technically" NFL teams are not supposed to tag players they don't intend to sign long term. But that it happens all the time and it's never enforced. Happened last year with the Chiefs CB Sneed. It also happened with Matt Cassell when the Pats tagged him and traded him to the Chiefs for a 2nd round pick years ago. 

So I think this could just be the Vikings saying the things they're supposed to: "We want Sam back. We're going to tag him and we look forward to another great season with Sam as our QB. But oh by the way, if you're really desperate for a QB, what are willing to do to change our minds?" 

There was 23 days between the Cassell tag and the trade. 25 days between the Sneed tag and the trade. That's a good amount of time to let the seed germinate.

StickierBuns wrote:
Very interesting quote here from Jefferson:

The Purple Persuasion
@TPPSkol
·
1h
Justin Jefferson seems to make the plea that he wants Sam Darnold back and even says “I feel like we’re gonna bring Sam back”.
Jefferson does note @Vikings rookie QB J.J. McCarthy will get “his shot” at some point because he’s a 1st-round pick.

JMO, I don't think Jefferson would say this unless he was privy to some internal insight.

He was Kirks number one fan as well. Went as far as to say, he doesn't want to play with anyone else. I don't take this as much of anything. 

You said something that caught my attention however, you said he was privy to some internal insight... Of course he is, he is Justin Jefferson. Let me ask you this, does the NFL listen if a player like Ed Ingram comes out and says something? No, teams won't even open the article. If Justin Jefferson, the best WR in the NFL, says something, I am going to guess that gets sent to people's phones and texts are sent out to GM and coaches, because Jets said something, and the NFL wants to know what he said. If Jefferson says something of this magnitude, does that raise or lower the trade value of teams that may be interested in wanting him? Will that make interested teams more or less eager to get him? If Jefferson says that... teams will be more eager to find a way to get Darnold. Not because teams will think Darnold is that great, but because now you think the chances are going down for the Vikings to let him go. It's like you try and get your 4 year old kid to eat his dinner and he refuses, you take it away and say nope, you don't get to eat now! You will watch that 4 year old eat his dinner and is happy about it.

StickierBuns wrote:
Very interesting quote here from Jefferson:

The Purple Persuasion
@TPPSkol
·
1h
Justin Jefferson seems to make the plea that he wants Sam Darnold back and even says “I feel like we’re gonna bring Sam back”.
Jefferson does note @Vikings rookie QB J.J. McCarthy will get “his shot” at some point because he’s a 1st-round pick.

JMO, I don't think Jefferson would say this unless he was privy to some internal insight.

Are you suggesting that Jets is leaking the Vikings plans?  How long do you think it will take before they take away his social media accounts?

I dont read much into what JJ is saying...I hear it as he's just speaking his mind vs any inside info being leaked.

I'd love to see the Vikings try the tag/trade, but we'll just have to wait and see if the mkt develops for it.

medaille wrote:

Are you suggesting that Jets is leaking the Vikings plans?  How long do you think it will take before they take away his social media accounts?

If he's leaking stuff it's probably at the front office's behest. "Help position us to trade Sam by saying you think we're keeping him."

Very interesting quote here from Jefferson:

The Purple Persuasion
@TPPSkol
·
1h
Justin Jefferson seems to make the plea that he wants Sam Darnold back and even says [b]“I feel like we’re gonna bring Sam back”.[/b]
Jefferson does note @Vikings rookie QB J.J. McCarthy will get “his shot” at some point because he’s a 1st-round pick.

JMO, I don't think Jefferson would say this unless he was privy to some internal insight.

comet52 wrote:

If he's leaking stuff it's probably at the front office's behest.  "Help position us to trade Sam by saying you think we're keeping him."

Yeah, I think that's very possible. It's in the Vikings' best interest to say all the right things about Sam. If the Vikings want to tag and trade him for anything worthwhile, they have to convince teams who may want to trade for him that there is a real chance we'll just keep him...unless you give us an offer we can't refuse. IOW, the Vikings are manufacturing leverage. At least that's what it sounds like to me.

comet52 wrote:

If he's leaking stuff it's probably at the front office's behest.  "Help position us to trade Sam by saying you think we're keeping him."

I tend to agree with this.

MaroonBells wrote:

Yeah, I think that's very possible. It's in the Vikings' best interest to say all the right things about Sam. If the Vikings want to tag and trade him for anything worthwhile, they have to convince teams who may want to trade for him that there is a real chance we'll just keep him...unless you give us an offer we can't refuse. IOW, the Vikings are manufacturing leverage. At least that's what it sounds like to me.

I agree, I said this as well but, in more detail, earlier in this thread