OK, Credit Where It's Due and How to Actually be Impressive, Donald

Trump's biggest issue has been his inability to say what he needs to say...and than shut up. Some of it's of his own making and some of it has been from the relentless attacks from the Left and the MSM...even before he took office. I read somewhere that NBC (and MSNBC) devoted more than 5000 hours of coverage to the Russian collusion narrative (which is remarkable given there are about 8800 hours in a year. They discussed his treasonous acts, punishment (including potential methods of execution), peeing on Russian prostitutes...etc. That's one network alone...and one issue alone.

I agree with you that if Trump sticks to the unity script, he's our next President. Joe's already slipped back to his Grump Old Man attacks. The Dems will try to win on abortion but that has actually been worked out by most of the States. The abortion issue alone was the reason that Biden won in WI last time (and WI Supreme Court changed from 5-4 Conservative to 5-4 Liberal) as the overturn of Roe v Wade caused WI to revert back to the archaic 1849 abort laws temporarily.

There's a huge enthusiasm gap between Trump and Biden right not. Just not sure Trump can't shut up and let others do the attacking for him. If you've watched JD Vance, he's very comfortable in hostile interview environments and is very quick on his feet. If Trump let's Vance take the brunt of the interviews while he does the rallies...it's effectively over. I guess we'll see. Still would be nice to have a viable third party to get the other two parties to move more to the center but we're going to have to wait on that.

badgervike wrote:
Trump's biggest issue has been his inability to say what he needs to say...and than shut up.  Some of it's of his own making and some of it has been from the relentless attacks from the Left and the MSM...even before he took office.  I read somewhere that NBC (and MSNBC) devoted more than 5000 hours of coverage to the Russian collusion narrative (which is remarkable given there are about 8800 hours in a year.  They discussed his treasonous acts, punishment (including potential methods of execution), peeing on Russian prostitutes...etc.  That's one network alone...and one issue alone.

I agree with you that if Trump sticks to the unity script, he's our next President.  Joe's already slipped back to his Grump Old Man attacks.  The Dems will try to win on abortion but that has actually been worked out by most of the States.  The abortion issue alone was the reason that Biden won in WI last time (and WI Supreme Court changed from 5-4 Conservative to 5-4 Liberal) as the overturn of Roe v Wade caused WI to revert back to the archaic 1849 abort laws temporarily. 

There's a huge enthusiasm gap between Trump and Biden right not.  Just not sure Trump can't shut up and let others do the attacking for him.  If you've watched JD Vance, he's very comfortable in hostile interview environments and is very quick on his feet.  If Trump let's Vance take the brunt of the interviews while he does the rallies...it's effectively over.  I guess we'll see.  Still would be nice to have a viable third party to get the other two parties to move more to the center but we're going to have to wait on that.

I wish Jo Jorgensen could run again, though the LP has descended into something I find as diseased and disgusting as the 'main' treason clubs. She's very smart, has been successful, her wit and her positions were excellent...but, her candidacy was during COVID and she got about 4 minutes of combined media camera time.

One way to be impressive would have been...finally being accurate. That sure as f*** didn't happen.

Most of his stats continue to be bulls**t, particularly any time he says "best" or "worst"...and it's not that hard to look up. Why can't he be honest/accurate, and why doesn't his panting fan club care?

Everything unfolding with Biden and at the RNC underscores why I was so deeply disappointed knowing what our countries choices would be for POTUS. We have a doddering old man in Washington now and another one about to replace him.

The Donald actually had me  (a moderate) tuning-in to hear his acceptance speech. I turned it off after the first 19 minutes. Too many lies, too many promises with little to no substance (at all) on how all of this magnificence for world standing, economic growth, safe borders and lower crime is about to unfold.

I take that back, I did hear drill baby drill.

purplefaithful wrote:
Everything unfolding with Biden and at the RNC underscores why I was so deeply disappointed knowing what our countries choices would be for POTUS. We have a doddering old man in Washington now and another one about to replace him.

The Donald actually had me  (a moderate) tuning-in to hear his acceptance speech. I turned it off after the first 19 minutes. Too many lies, too many promises with little to no substance (at all) on how all of this magnificence for world standing, economic growth, safe borders and lower crime is about to unfold.

I take that back, I did hear drill baby drill.

Yeah, my hatred for the treasonous trash  piles is also pretty well documented, as is my dislike for the criminal codgers at their helms.

We deserve SO much better, but can't seem to vote for it. There were some excellent and obvious choices for moderate candidates that would've helped to defuse this country...but no, it's the same forces ripping the country apart while each points across the aisle and insists that its THEIR fault....

purplefaithful wrote:
Everything unfolding with Biden and at the RNC underscores why I was so deeply disappointed knowing what our countries choices would be for POTUS. We have a doddering old man in Washington now and another one about to replace him.

The Donald actually had me  (a moderate) tuning-in to hear his acceptance speech. I turned it off after the first 19 minutes. Too many lies, too many promises with little to no substance (at all) on how all of this magnificence for world standing, economic growth, safe borders and lower crime is about to unfold.

I take that back, I did hear drill baby drill.

You watched for 19 minutes and there were too many lies and promises?  I watched most of the speech this am.  The first 25 minutes were devoted exclusively to recounting the assassination attempt. No policy and no promises.  You're not one of those Dems that doesn't think Trump was actually shot are you?  Seems to be a fair number out there.

It was a subdued yet typically bombastic Trump.  His speeches are never my cup of tea and that continued last night.  He really needs to just ask if you're better off than you were 4 years ago whether it be the Economy, Security, Border, Foreign Relations, Wars...and stfu.

badgervike wrote:

You watched for 19 minutes and there were too many lies and promises.  I watched most of the speech this am.  The first 25 minutes were devoted exclusively to recounting the assassination attempt. No policy and no promises.  You're not one of those Dems that doesn't think Trump was actually shot are you?  

It was a subdued yet typically bombastic Trump.  His speeches are never my cup of tea and that continued last night.  He really needs to just ask if you're better off than you were 4 years ago whether it be the Economy, Security, Border, Foreign Relations, Wars...and stfu.

Why should Americans have to settle for a President that needs to STFU at all?

Because that's our reality. The two party system has given us this nonsense thus my continued Independent status. Given that, I can fairly clearly identify which President had better policy. Regardless if Biden drops out, the Dem standard bearer will be attached to frankly terrible policy given the short amount of time left. The party is more concerned with virtue signaling than with actual governance. The Border, the Economy, Crime, Wars are all directly related to active and intentional policy decisions. The hard left has taken over the party. I don't even recognize the party anymore.

badgervike wrote:
Because that's our reality.  The two party system has given us this nonsense thus my continued Independent status.  Given that, I can fairly clearly identify which President had better policy. Regardless if Biden drops out, the Dem standard bearer will be attached to frankly terrible policy given the short amount of time left.  The party is more concerned with virtue signaling than with actual governance.  The Border, the Economy, Crime, Wars are all directly related to active and intentional policy decisions.  The hard left has taken over the party.  I don't even recognize the party anymore.

I still recognize them as power mongers who will say/do whatever keeps them closer to power.

As for the GOP, though...what can they mean, when their figurehead is utterly dishonest, and therefore cannot have credibility? Some of his most rabid supporters in the government are the most embarrassing/dishonest, and while I refuse to be drawn into the binary BS of only comparing the dnc BS vs the gop BS...

...when you know they're proven, established, consistent liars, what's their platform beyond dishonesty?

purplefaithful wrote:
Everything unfolding with Biden and at the RNC underscores why I was so deeply disappointed knowing what our countries choices would be for POTUS. We have a doddering old man in Washington now and another one about to replace him.

The Donald actually had me  (a moderate) tuning-in to hear his acceptance speech. I turned it off after the first 19 minutes. Too many lies, too many promises with little to no substance (at all) on how all of this magnificence for world standing, economic growth, safe borders and lower crime is about to unfold.

I take that back, I did hear drill baby drill.

I watched most of it, at least I think I did, I shut it off about about 1040 and went to be, but when he said he was going to pull the plug on the green new deal bull shit, that was all I needed to hear, the carbon credit shit is the biggest load of crap to ever come out of DC and the fact that we have been feeding that pile of shit while our national debt just keeps piling up is the biggest issue we as tax payers face. I am all for helping fledgling industries emerge in a sea of dominance, and nothing is more so than the energy sector, but all the other green shit that goes along with trying to solve WEATHER... thats just theft, and we cant afford to keep funneling money into these lame ass scams. get the deficit eliminated, pay down the debt significantly, then come back with the science projects, until then the govt needs to focus on what they are there for.

badgervike wrote:

You watched for 19 minutes and there were too many lies and promises?  I watched most of the speech this am.  The first 25 minutes were devoted exclusively to recounting the assassination attempt. No policy and no promises.  You're not one of those Dems that doesn't think Trump was actually shot are you?  Seems to be a fair number out there.

It was a subdued yet typically bombastic Trump.  His speeches are never my cup of tea and that continued last night.  He really needs to just ask if you're better off than you were 4 years ago whether it be the Economy, Security, Border, Foreign Relations, Wars...and stfu.

I agree it was more subdued, especially for The Don. 

Crazy times indeed with Biden looking less and less likely for the Dems POTUS candidate. I said 50/50 over the last week, I think it might be trending less than that.

Right now I am steaming mad at the Dems leadership...They had at least the last 2 years to avoid having Joe run again and they knew how senile he had become. If they deny it? I call em liars. 

I'm burned out on politics already and its only July. I gotta push away from the screen/key board on it. Its just that on the Dem side you can't look away right now. What may happen with Biden is pretty rare.

I guess, now, the question is: which pile of extreme partisan believers gets the cherished Tinfoil Hat Award?

Was the shooting:

1. A dnc plot to utterly, finally stop Trumplestilskin as he dodged legal charges and surged in popularity after Brandon tanked in the debate...or...

2. A gop/Trumplestilskin plot set up on the eve of the convention to garner both incredible sympathy to an arrogant narcissist and to let him live out some grandiose trading card superhero fantasy?

I've seen both concepts wizzed around by the elephant and jackass fanatics. I'm trying to decide which is more bizarre, but I'll wait for all the investigation info to trickle in....

Zanary wrote:
I guess, now, the question is: which pile of extreme partisan believers gets the cherished Tinfoil Hat Award?

Was the shooting:

1. A dnc plot to utterly, finally stop Trumplestilskin as he dodged legal charges and surged in popularity after Brandon tanked in the debate...or...

2. A gop/Trumplestilskin plot set up on the eve of the convention to garner both incredible sympathy to an arrogant narcissist and to let him live out some grandiose trading card superhero fantasy?

I've seen both concepts wizzed around by the elephant and jackass fanatics. I'm trying to decide which is more bizarre, but I'll wait for all the investigation info to trickle in....

Keeping in mind that the dems currently run the white house and all the mis-information games they played around covid and pretty much everything else of importance through the intelligence agencies, now ask yourself, could the republicans or especially Trumps team have pulled this off?

Not to mention the headshot aspect of the attempt? The margin of error is pretty damn high there.

There was also a pretty organized media response immediately following the shooting, we know who owns the media.

JimmyinSD wrote:

Keeping in mind that the dems currently run the white house and all the mis-information games they played around covid and pretty much everything else of importance through the intelligence agencies,  now ask yourself,  could the republicans or especially Trumps team have pulled this off? 

Not to mention the headshot aspect of the attempt? The margin of error is pretty damn high there.

There was also a pretty organized media response immediately following the shooting,  we know who owns the media.

See, that was sort of my take, too, until I remembered that CNN and others simply called it a "fall" initially, showing less than perfect organization.

The margin of error on the shot is absolutely correct, if that's what cut his ear...which is the basis for the dnc fanatic conspiracy theory. Pro wrestlers cut their foreheads in matches for decades, and Hulk was at the convention...so there's murmuring.

As a result of just how odd this is...like my first post on the matter says, I'm watching the investigation info constantly. Just the known facts - an apparently unstable social outcast (another one!) managed to case the area and get past all security to take the shots - is typically unlikely.

See ya, Brandon...!!!

WOW...he's endorsing Harris, the genuine political prostitute who might be a WORSE speaker than he is and will be badly remembered by all the young men of color she locked up for weed offenses in Cali...!

Biden's final decision to leave the race was reached in the last 48 hours
From CNN’s Jeff Zeleny
President Joe Biden’s final decision to leave the race was reached in the last 48 hours, a senior campaign adviser said, as he consulted family and top advisers by telephone.

He did not have a final in-person meeting with his top campaign or White House advisers as he recovered from Covid-19 at his beach home in Rehoboth, Delaware.

The adviser said the president “was not dug in,” but was studying all of the data coming in and became convinced he would “weigh down” the ticket and be a distraction and complication to defeat former President Donald Trump.

I'm sure there'll be a thread, but I feel like I've started too many, lately. Someone else can have the honors.

He's absolutely right, but both tickets are pretty heavy. Felonies, sexual assault, a constant stream of lies, a verbally-crapping pissant that won't admit mistakes, and a party that idolizes dishonesty and filth behaviors...vs more lies, border disasters, crime disasters, law enforcement marginalized, authority mismanaged, and the apparent candidate is a babbling political "ho".

The arguments to burn down the duopoly can't get much louder than this.

Zanary wrote:
I'm sure there'll be a thread, but I feel like I've started too many, lately. Someone else can have the honors. He's absolutely right, but both tickets are pretty heavy. Felonies, sexual assault, a constant stream of lies, a verbally-crapping pissant that won't admit mistakes, and a party that idolizes dishonesty and filth behaviors...vs more lies, border disasters, crime disasters, law enforcement marginalized, authority mismanaged, and the apparent candidate is a babbling political "ho". The arguments to burn down the duopoly can't get much louder than this.

I'm with Kennedy on this....
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[font=cnn_sans_display, helveticaneue, Helvetica, Arial, Utkal, sans-serif]Independent presidential candidate Robert F. Kennedy Jr. praised President Joe Biden for his decision to drop out of the presidential race on Sunday and called on the Democratic Party to nominate Biden’s replacement via an “open process.”
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Kennedy, a former Democrat who previously ran against Biden in the primaries before switching to run as an independent, said in a post on Sunday he hopes the party will “use neutral polling” to select the strongest candidate to defeat former President Donald Trump, and criticized the party’s handling of the primary process.
[font=cnn_sans_display, helveticaneue, Helvetica, Arial, Utkal, sans-serif]“I call on the Democratic Party to return to its traditional commitment to democracy and exemplify it with an open process. Instead of anointing a candidate hand-picked by DNC elites, the party should use neutral polling to identify the candidate who can best beat Donald Trump. The delegates should then select a nominee based on this information,” Kennedy said.
[font=cnn_sans_display, helveticaneue, Helvetica, Arial, Utkal, sans-serif]“If they had done this to begin with, I would not have had to leave the Democratic Party,” he added.
Kennedy applauded Biden’s decision to drop out of the race while claiming his “progressive deterioration” undermined his candidacy.

llpurplefaithful wrote:

I'm with Kennedy on this....
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[font=cnn_sans_display, helveticaneue, Helvetica, Arial, Utkal, sans-serif]Independent presidential candidate Robert F. Kennedy Jr. praised President Joe Biden for his decision to drop out of the presidential race on Sunday and called on the Democratic Party to nominate Biden’s replacement via an “open process.”
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Kennedy, a former Democrat who previously ran against Biden in the primaries before switching to run as an independent, said in a post on Sunday he hopes the party will “use neutral polling” to select the strongest candidate to defeat former President Donald Trump, and criticized the party’s handling of the primary process.
[font=cnn_sans_display, helveticaneue, Helvetica, Arial, Utkal, sans-serif]“I call on the Democratic Party to return to its traditional commitment to democracy and exemplify it with an open process. Instead of anointing a candidate hand-picked by DNC elites, the party should use neutral polling to identify the candidate who can best beat Donald Trump. The delegates should then select a nominee based on this information,” Kennedy said.
[font=cnn_sans_display, helveticaneue, Helvetica, Arial, Utkal, sans-serif]“If they had done this to begin with, I would not have had to leave the Democratic Party,” he added.
Kennedy applauded Biden’s decision to drop out of the race while claiming his “progressive deterioration” undermined his candidacy.

Well, I guess he can feel that way, but he's also a 5-star, lying whackadoodle with a skull full of noodles. That has some effect as well.

He spoke against vaccines, openly and generally, then claimed he didn't, then cited one "misunderstanding" but not others...he spoke about shoring up our economy with Bitcoin, oops, then not, but then again...tripped by his own words...kind of like claiming he didn't know the "Heal the Divide" PAC despite having been one of their speakers.

We really don't need any more shameless, mindless, drooling liars in this race, we're well stocked already.

Zanary wrote:

See, that was sort of my take, too, until I remembered that CNN and others simply called it a "fall" initially, showing less than perfect organization.

The margin of error on the shot is absolutely correct, if that's what cut his ear...which is the basis for the dnc fanatic conspiracy theory. Pro wrestlers cut their foreheads in matches for decades, and Hulk was at the convention...so there's murmuring.

As a result of just how odd this is...like my first post on the matter says, I'm watching the investigation info constantly. Just the known facts - an apparently unstable social outcast (another one!) managed to case the area and get past all security to take the shots - is typically unlikely.

From Rob Schneiders Twitter

Good Sunday, dear friends.
Here is what I gather to be what happened last Saturday. Forget about the unguarded roof for a second…The blame (or plan) belongs not with Secret Service Chief and former Pepsi security guard Kimberly Cheatle…
It was ALL Alejandro Mayorkas. He decided the Butler event was a “low security risk” and did NOT assign the ‘normal’ Secret Service Agents. Instead, most of those people guarding Trump that afternoon were Department of Homeland Security. The same day as the assassination attempt, a story was leaked to the Press about Iran wanting to kill Trump, which harkens back to the lies the CIA made blaming Castro after JFK was taken out…
Why is no one talking about the (fake) Iran plot?
Because Trump was not supposed to ever leave Butler Penn alive…