Anyone think JJ McCarthy...

[AGRforever]

Neither can play a full season. I expect Brosmer to start a game or two.

[MAD GAINZ]

Why does everyone think signing Kyler is an indictment in JJ McCarthy or he'll be the automatic starter?

Yes, Kyler made a few Pro Bowls early in his career, but most recently he's been hurt and hasn't been the same playmaker. Got benched for 6+ games to end this past season.

I get why the Vikings are interested... former highly drafted QB who his former team gave up on (just like Darnold and Daniel Jones) and we need a better backup than Wentz or Brosmer heading into this season.

Let's see what the money looks like IF we sign Kyler before we head down a long road of speculation and misery.

[JimmyinSD]

Why does everyone think signing Kyler is an indictment in JJ McCarthy or he'll be the automatic starter?

I can see the why,  its the same reason those of us that dont want to see JJMs snaps get challenged,  the more snaps the better so if KOC is ready to give those snaps to somebody else he is acknowledging that JJM isnt likely going to be the future of the franchise at the QB position.

Yes, Kyler made a few Pro Bowls early in his career, but most recently he's been hurt and hasn't been the same playmaker.  Got benched for 6+ games to end this past season.

and likely the reason they set him down is they didnt want to risk injury that would prevent them from cutting his underperforming ass this offseason and moving into position to fail for Manning or the rookie QB of their choice.

I get why the Vikings are interested...  former highly drafted QB who his former team gave up on (just like Darnold and Daniel Jones) and we need a better backup than Wentz or Brosmer heading into this season.  those 2 were just under 500 for their combined starts,  pretty much what you would expect for a back up QB not facing a Vikings D

Let's see what the money looks like IF we sign Kyler before we head down a long road of speculation and misery.

isnt the league rules set up so he cant sign a big money deal or it would erase his cardinals guaranteed money ?  pretty much work for peanuts this year on a 1 year deal, or start with a new deal for bigger money ( which isnt likely to happen) ?

[Zanary]

JJM's known that competition was coming since before his last press conference, so none of this recent babble is news. Kyler has been unimpressive for years, and no amount of "QB Whispering" will add height or endurance to Murray...plus, the long pass dynamics of KOC's offense might be a serious problem for a guy who's undersized among modern QBs.

Even Wilson's slightly taller, and (like Darnold) got a ring on a Seattle team with a vicious, young defense and a genuine "Beast Mode" rushing attack.

If Murray gets the call and is every on the field for the Vikings, I'll cheer for him...but, I've never been very impressed and he wouldn't be my first or second choice.

[CFIAvike]

I don't see JJM doing that, he wants to prove himself

I don’t think this has anything to do with JJ not wanting to prove himself or face a challenge. In fact I don’t think this affects his confidence in himself one bit. 

What I am saying is his confidence in this organization having his back will evaporate the second the ink dries on that contract. The Vikings will in essence be telling him “we do not believe in you, your development, or your ability to improve this offseason”. 

Maybe he doesn’t ask for a release, but I can see him asking to be traded. He’ll prove himself somewhere he’s “wanted”

[FourCornersViking]

I don’t think this has anything to do with JJ not wanting to prove himself or face a challenge. In fact I don’t think this affects his confidence in himself one bit. 

What I am saying is his confidence in this organization will evaporate the second the ink dries on that contract. The Vikings will in essence be telling him “we do not believe in you, your development, or your ability to improve this offseason”. 

Maybe he doesn’t ask for a release, but I can see him asking to be traded. He’ll prove himself somewhere he’s “wanted”

All these assumptions don't mean anything...JJ knew competition was coming and should welcome it.  Murray will probably be here one year and then move on hoping to resurrect his career, going after the big money which won't be in Minnesota.  JJ is the current future for the Vikings.  Let's not overly read into it that much.

[JR44]

What I am saying is his confidence in this organization having his back will evaporate the second the ink dries on that contract. The Vikings will in essence be telling him “we do not believe in you, your development, or your ability to improve this offseason”. 

Maybe he doesn’t ask for a release, but I can see him asking to be traded. He’ll prove himself somewhere he’s “wanted”

They let go of their pro bowl QB who led them to 14-3, who went on to win a Super Bowl so they could give job to JJM.
Also let go of another legit starter to give JJM the job.
Did not bring in Rodgers who was begging to come here to give JJM the job.
They spent their 1st rounder on a guard and spent heavily on another guard and center to give JJM the best OL possible. 
They brought in a low level backup so there was absolutely no QB competition. 

So tell me how they have not made JJM feel wanted?  You act like they have treated him horribly.  They have done everything to help him succeed. He has played in 10 games of 34 in two years, when he has played he has been incredibly inconsistent.  They are bringing in a guy for the vet minimum on a one year deal, no one has given up on him.  They deservedly are bringing in insurance to protect themselves.  I guarantee JJM is accepting the challenge and not sitting home overreacting about it.

[CFIAvike]

They let go of their pro bowl QB who led them to 14-3, who went on to win a Super Bowl so they could give job to JJM.
Also let go of another legit starter to give JJM the job.
Did not bring in Rodgers who was begging to come here to give JJM the job.
They spent their 1st rounder on a guard and spent heavily on another guard and center to give JJM the best OL possible. 
They brought in a low level backup so there was absolutely no QB competition. 

So tell me how they have not made JJM feel wanted?  You act like they have treated him horribly.  They have done everything to help him succeed. He has played in 10 games of 34 in two years, when he has played he has been incredibly inconsistent.  His HC has been visibly frustrated with his development.  Do you expect for them to just hand him the job for another year and take the chance to repeating last year?   They are bringing in a guy for the vet minimum on a one year deal, no one has given up on him.  They deservedly are bringing in insurance to protect themselves.  I guarantee JJM is accepting the challenge and not sitting home whining about it like you are.

They’re not potentially bringing in Kyler Murray to run the scout team, dude. He’s not here to “compete” or be insurance. He’s here to take over QB1. There is no room for an “open competition” when Kyler will be taking literally every first team rep to try to learn the offense. JJ gets kicked to the back of the bus and will “develop” while running other teams offenses on the scout team. 

The Vikings are effectively saying they’re giving up on JJ and don’t believe he can improve enough this offseason to beat out a 28 year old QB who got benched by his former team. That they believe THAT guy puts them in a better position to win than he does. 

Bringing in competition is one thing. Bringing in a replacement is a completely different one all together.

[MaroonBells]

I do believe that Murray will be the starter, and the hope surrounding the possibility of JJ progressing so much this summer that he beats out a 7-year veteran just doesn't seem very likely. I like JJ's future, but he's got work to do. 

But I don't believe that this necessarily spells the end for JJ in Minnesota. It's possible. But among the dozens of scenarios that could play out, I see only one that moves Minnesota off JJ. And that's if Murray explodes in 2026, stays healthy the whole year, and the Vikings extend him. In that scenario, the Vikings would likely want to keep JJ as the backup, but at that point, I think he asks for a trade, and it could be granted. 

But let's say Murray suffers an ankle injury that knocks him out for 3 games. If JJ comes in and shines in those three games, that might give the Vikings pause. Do they pay Murray for $50M per? Or do they stick with our QB-on-a-rookie-deal plan on the belief that there is now evidence of real growth in the kid. More than we saw last year. It may not even take the 3-game sample. He may show that improvement in practice. 

He doesn't have to suddenly become Patrick Mahomes; just show enough improvement to have the Vikings seriously weighing Murray for $50M on one hand and JJ for $5M on the other. And then, of course, there all the scenarios where Murray doesn't light things up. No, I absolutely do not believe that this 1-year deal ipso facto spells the end for JJ in Minny.

[JR44]

I do believe that Murray will be the starter, and the hope surrounding the possibility of JJ progressing so much this summer that he beats out a 7-year veteran just doesn't seem very likely. I like JJ's future, but he's got work to do. 

But I don't believe that this necessarily spells the end for JJ in Minnesota. It's possible. But among the dozens of scenarios that could play out, I see only one that moves Minnesota off JJ. And that's if Murray explodes in 2026, stays healthy the whole year, and the Vikings extend him. In that scenario, the Vikings would likely want to keep JJ as the backup, but at that point, I think he asks for a trade, and it could be granted. 

But let's say Murray suffers an ankle injury that knocks him out for 3 games. If JJ comes in and shines in those three games, that might give the Vikings pause. Do they pay Murray for $50M per? Or do they stick with our QB-on-a-rookie-deal plan on the belief that there is now evidence of real growth in the kid. More than we saw last year. It may not even take the 3-game sample. He may show that improvement in practice. 

He doesn't have to suddenly become Patrick Mahomes; just show enough improvement to have the Vikings seriously weighing Murray for $50M on one hand and JJ for $5M on the other. And then, of course, there all the scenarios where Murray doesn't light things up. No, I absolutely do not believe that this 1-year deal ipso facto spells the end for JJ in Minny.

Excellent rational post, which perfectly summarizes the situation.