04-15-2025, 06:31 PM
When the defense knows that they can blitz faster than you can find a receiver it's going to be a long day.
Why Christian Ponder thinks he didn't pan out
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04-15-2025, 06:31 PM
When the defense knows that they can blitz faster than you can find a receiver it's going to be a long day.
04-15-2025, 06:36 PM
“Hell is empty and all the devils are here”
Shakespeare
04-16-2025, 03:47 AM
They didn't do enough due diligence on Ponder....just like with Troy Williamson. Horrible picks. Need picks gone wrong, forced. Christian played like a deer in headlights every play.
04-16-2025, 10:18 AM
(This post was last modified: 04-16-2025, 10:45 AM by MaroonBells.)
(04-16-2025, 03:47 AM)StickierBuns Wrote: They didn't do enough due diligence on Ponder....just like with Troy Williamson. Horrible picks. Need picks gone wrong, forced. Christian played like a deer in headlights every play. Williamson, John Ross, Ruggs, Fuller, Coleman, DHB. Who remembers Matt Jones? The NFL falls hook, line and sinker for these speed-only guys. Every. Damn. Time. I don't remember even looking at Troy Williamson before the draft that year. We had a second 1st rounder that year. Erasmus James. We got nobody from that draft. (04-15-2025, 04:08 PM)purplefaithful Wrote: I just remember the happy feet when the 1st read wasn't there... Yep, that was his bugaboo. He can blame the shoulder all he wants, but his arm, or even accuracy, weren't bad. He just had no poise in the pocket. You could almost see the terror and chaos in his head.
04-16-2025, 11:19 AM
(04-16-2025, 10:18 AM)MaroonBells Wrote: Williamson, John Ross, Ruggs, Fuller, Coleman, DHB. Who remembers Matt Jones? The NFL falls hook, line and sinker for these speed-only guys. Every. Damn. Time. I don't remember even looking at Troy Williamson before the draft that year. We had a second 1st rounder that year. Erasmus James. We got nobody from that draft. In fairness, his "pocket" is a really kind way of saying "his 1.7-2.1 seconds before mauling" on far too many occasions. The absolute crap that was our line (and would basically remain, for the next decade) was a subject of many sports bobblehead recap. College injury or not, he seemed pretty animated and determined when he still had Percy available for improvisation.
Build on 14-3, take back the NFCN, break the ****ing curse. Simple.
04-16-2025, 11:26 AM
I think the primary reason that Ponder didn't pan out...is that he wasn't very good.....
Plain and simple...Vikings panicked. They felt their biggest need was QB in a weak QB class and they reached for Ponder because even some of that mediocrity had been selected (Locker, Gabbert). Trying to remember what we had in the QB cupboard at the time...think it might have been Sage and Joe Webb. Too bad they didn't "reach" for Andy Dalton instead who went very early in the 2nd.
04-16-2025, 11:29 AM
(04-16-2025, 11:26 AM)badgervike Wrote: I think the primary reason that Ponder didn't pan out...is that he wasn't very good..... Time will tell - as of now this 2024 QB class harkens me back to the class of 2011.
04-16-2025, 11:37 AM
04-16-2025, 11:41 AM
That entire quarterback class that year was pure crap, but we really needed a quarterback and out of the options available I really liked Ponder. Smart, athletic, arm was live enough, and looked the part Senior Bowl week where he might have been the best player on the field. I think where things started to go wrong was the coaching staff that was in place at the time, especially Bill Musgrave who was so anal about not turning the ball over that it made Ponder gun shy and we did not have the best personnel on offense. You look at the Vikings coaching staff and roster that year and it was textbook 101 on "how to fail a young QB"
04-16-2025, 11:54 AM
(04-16-2025, 11:26 AM)badgervike Wrote: I think the primary reason that Ponder didn't pan out...is that he wasn't very good..... In retrospect, Dalton could have been a better choice...but, as our current HC says: systems fail quarterbacks. Neither the Frazier "check the tape" or the Zimmer "don't tell the offense where my office is" approaches were likely to raise a QB well.
Build on 14-3, take back the NFCN, break the ****ing curse. Simple.
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