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Wonder whats happening with Kwesi?
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It's vewy quiet on the KAM extension front...

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Wilves’ should offer Howie Roseman a piece of the team to be our GM, Lol… Cool Angel
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(01-28-2025, 02:27 PM)Kentis Wrote: Wilves’ should offer Howie Roseman a piece of the team to be our GM, Lol… Cool Angel

The same Howie Roseman that passed on Justin Jefferson?
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The extension for KOC was easy based on his body of work the first three years on the job and navigating QBs left and right.

Kwesi isn't as clear cut. No one from his 2022 draft may get a second contract from us. He found two players in 2023 and hit on the Hockenson trade. Had a good FA class, but his 2024 draft resides largely on the success of JJM and Turner.

There have been some improvements but the body of work isn't as strong as KOC. I think the Wilfs are likely negotiating for a short-term extension rather than locking him in for 5 more years like they did with Kevin.
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(01-28-2025, 03:24 PM)Greylock Wrote: The same Howie Roseman that passed on Justin Jefferson?

All GM’s miss on picks, this one however has his team in it’s 3rd Superbowl in the last, what 7 seasons. His roster’s have been amongst the best in the league for some time now, winning it all in 2018 & back for another shot this season. So yeah, the same Howie Roseman.   Big Grin
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There must be more going on at TCO than we know about. If it was just "Great job KAM, here's a new deal!" I think it would be done already, like when they (mistakenly) re-did Rick and Mike together after 2019.

My guess and it's only a guess is, it gets announced along with some changes, maybe a reorg of scouting (please dump Grigson!) etc. Indicating that he's done enough to stay on but improvements are still expected.
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Well, KOC's extension supposedly came with increased personnel influence, that may have caused some complications.
Wait, we failed to protect our QB in big games, again? 

MAYBE THERE'S A LESSON HERE.
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(01-28-2025, 05:09 PM)MAD GAINZ Wrote: The extension for KOC was easy based on his body of work the first three years on the job and navigating QBs left and right.
Kwesi isn't as clear cut.  No one from his 2022 draft may get a second contract from us.  He found two players in 2023 and hit on the Hockenson trade.  Had a good FA class, but his 2024 draft resides largely on the success of JJM and Turner.
There have been some improvements but the body of work isn't as strong as KOC.  I think the Wilfs are likely negotiating for a short-term extension rather than locking him in for 5 more years like they did with Kevin.

I have not been able to find a heck of a lot re: KOC contract terms, how solid is that 5 years?

Little birdie was reporting 5 years, $60mm, but thats Walters.

Here is Pelissaro with Leber and Cove:


Cove: I assume some people know what the terms are, why does it not leak out faster than this?

Pelissero: Coach numbers are a little bit harder to come by. Not a surprise at all that that has not come out. That's pretty commonplace here. But I would fairly tell you based on what I know that the Vikings made it well worth Kevin O'Connell's while signing that extension.

Leber: Can you give us any insight on How many years it is? I'm assuming at least three...

Pelissero: Let's not throw darts, Leber, how about that? Let's just say, listen, it's a unique negotiation because you're talking about a guy who's still not even 40 years old and he's won two-thirds of his regular season games with a smattering of different quarterbacks, but has not won a playoff game. 

In terms of the top, top coaches and what they're making, the Andy Reids of the world, he's in a little bit different area. But again, based on what I know, I would say that the deal that they were able to get done with Kevin O'Connell was very fair under the circumstances.

According to Sportico, Reid signed a five-year, $100 million contract with the Chiefs last offseason. That made him the highest-paid coach in the NFL at $20 million annually.

The next highest-paid coaches, per Sportico, are Denver's Sean Payton ($18 million), Pittsburgh's Mike Tomlin ($16 million), the Chargers' Jim Harbaugh ($16 million), and the Rams' Sean McVay ($15 million). San Francisco's Kyle Shanahan ($14 million), Baltimore's John Harbaugh ($12 million), Detroit's Dan Campbell ($11 million), Buffalo's Sean McDermott ($11 million) and Seattle's Mike Macdonald ($9 million).

Pro Football Talk's Mike Florio has reported that the Chicago Bears are paying new head coach Ben Johnson $13 million annually.

If you connect enough dots, it's pretty clear that O'Connell is making somewhere between $10 million and $15 million annually. Will we ever know for sure? Probably, but we might have to wait a while.
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My guess is Kwesi is getting an understanding of his station with the Vikings: the jury is still out big time. The Vikings shouldn't tie KAM to KOC and I'll bet that KOC feels that way as well. I'm going to guess the length of this extension with Kwesi is the holdup: he wants longer but the team doesn't.
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(01-29-2025, 08:38 AM)StickierBuns Wrote: My guess is Kwesi is getting an understanding of his station with the Vikings: the jury is still out big time. The Vikings shouldn't tie KAM to KOC and I'll bet that KOC feels that way as well. I'm going to guess the length of this extension with Kwesi is the holdup: he wants longer but the team doesn't.

I think you can tell by his public comments that is the case.  He was recently quoted as saying "he'd love to be the GM for this team" and "he works everyday like his job isn't guaranteed".

He's a smart guy and knows he's had his share of success at times but also some big failures. If you look back at the last 3 years, KOC elevated the previous regimes squad to 13-4.  The drop off in 2023 was due to Kirk Cousins blowing his Achilles mid-season, but also the 2nd year players from the 2022 draft didn't elevate the supporting cast around the team.  Then we had a good FA class to make up for literally all our rookies from 2022 being limited contributors or flat out busts.

Like I said, it's been an up and down tenure for him.  Our core is pretty young and signed for the next couple years but now Kwesi has a big decision on how to handle Darnold and the JJM transition.  How that unfolds and how the team performs next season will likely decide if he is hear long-term with KOC or the Wilfs ask for Kevin's input on a front office guy he wants to work with moving forward.
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