I am very fan torn...

[purplefaithful]

One the one hand, we have a top 10 pick in JJM with great traits and I still think an uber high ceiling

On the other hand (to quote MB) did the football gods just do the Vikings a rare solid to have another top 3 QB cut loose waiting to be resurrected?

I'm just glad FA isnt that far off anymore...

[MaroonBells]

One the one hand, we have a top 10 pick in JJM with great traits and I still think an uber high ceiling

On the other hand (to quote MB) did the football gods just do the Vikings a rare solid to have another top 3 QB cut loose waiting to be resurrected?

I'm just glad FA isnt that far off anymore...

I'll shake both hands just to be sure. I like JJ's potential. I still believe he's going develop into our franchise QB. I'm just not convinced that's going to happen as early as 2026.

[Still Hurtn]

One would think if KOC saw all this "potential" he would squash all these rumors regarding strengthening the QB room. JJM belongs somewhere in the NFL. Just not the Vikings future

[JR44]

One the one hand, we have a top 10 pick in JJM with great traits and I still think an uber high ceiling

On the other hand (to quote MB) did the football gods just do the Vikings a rare solid to have another top 3 QB cut loose waiting to be resurrected?

I'm just glad FA isnt that far off anymore...

Because of KMs salary, it not one or the other like it was with Darnold last year, we can have both and then truly have the best option play out.

[Zanary]

One would think if KOC saw all this "potential" he would squash all these rumors regarding strengthening the QB room. JJM belongs somewhere in the NFL. Just not the Vikings future

...I'm curious what makes this level of quitting on the kid attractive.

Seriously, the difference in his play from early to late in the season showed obvious improvement...and he was our starting QB for our first victory against Detroit in years.

I don't get the quitters.

[StickierBuns]

...I'm curious what makes this level of quitting on the kid attractive.

Seriously, the difference in his play from early to late in the season showed obvious improvement...and he was our starting QB for our first victory against Detroit in years.

I don't get the quitters.

I can understand this a little more than the fans that think benching JJM for another QB1 because you think the team roster is 'loaded' is fine because he's got a future with the team. That isn't going to happen. When is the last time a top 10 QB selection started a full year, then the team sat him a year because his play sucked, then he came back the following year to be the 'franchise QB'? Never is the answer. And it won't happen in Minnesota if that's what they end up doing. The kid needs reps, KOC has said as much, and you're just going to gut another year of starter reps and push back his continued development? 

The math is simple IMO: Kyler Murray coming to Minnesota is bub bye to JJ McCarthy as a long term answer. I don't get how the organization could give up on him already, but I'm not on the Viking's coaching staff. Kyler isn't signing anywhere to be QB2. Of course we'll all get some big time Coachspeak from KOC on how this doesn't change 'at all how we feel about JJ McCarthy's status with the team', blah blah blah. Riiiight. Murray is also no leader, there's going to be 0% mentorship or learning moments behind him. He's talented however....no escaping that fact.

Before I get my panties in a bunch, lets see what actually happens. I'll get behind whatever the team ends up doing, but I think there's a right way to do this and it doesn't involve giving up on McCarthy. I'll say this: there is so much smoke about Murray to the Vikings, that if it doesn't happen, the whole NFL media industry are bigger frauds than I thought.

[StickierBuns]

p.s. here's some food for thought on Murray:
Mike Florio and Chris Simms examine the damaged relationship between Kyler Murray and the Arizona Cardinals, explaining why the team didn't handle things properly with the quarterback.

[MaroonBells]

I can understand this a little more than the fans that think benching JJM for another QB1 because you think the team roster is 'loaded' is fine because he's got a future with the team. That isn't going to happen. When is the last time a top 10 QB selection started a full year, then the team sat him a year because his play sucked, then he came back the following year to be the 'franchise QB'? Never is the answer. And it won't happen in Minnesota if that's what they end up doing. The kid needs reps, KOC has said as much, and you're just going to gut another year of starter reps and push back his continued development? 

The math is simple IMO: Kyler Murray coming to Minnesota is bub bye to JJ McCarthy as a long term answer. I don't get how the organization could give up on him already, but I'm not on the Viking's coaching staff. Kyler isn't signing anywhere to be QB2. Of course we'll all get some big time Coachspeak from KOC on how this doesn't change 'at all how we feel about JJ McCarthy's status with the team', blah blah blah. Riiiight. Murray is also no leader, there's going to be 0% mentorship or learning moments behind him. He's talented however....no escaping that fact.

Before I get my panties in a bunch, lets see what actually happens. I'll get behind whatever the team ends up doing, but I think there's a right way to do this and it doesn't involve giving up on McCarthy. I'll say this: there is so much smoke about Murray to the Vikings, that if it doesn't happen, the whole NFL media industry are bigger frauds than I thought.

I think it's important for everyone to realize that the Vikings haven't even spoken to Kyler Murray or his agent. It's not legal to do so until league year. In no way should this be considered a foregone conclusion. And Geno Smith is a really good option as well. 

I've read several posts now from people who argue that signing Murray means the end of McCarthy's time in Minnesota, but I've yet to hear anyone explain why they think that in a convincing way. So curious, why do you think that? 

In one of my rants, bitching about the fact that we didn't sign Darnold to a two-year deal, you said that Darnold would not have accepted a two-year deal. You were exactly right. He would not have. And neither will Murray. If we do sign Murray, he will either be a rousing success, an utter failure or something in between. In only one of those scenarios do I see the Vikings trading McCarthy: the rousing success. And if that’s the case, why would we even care?

[StickierBuns]

I think it's important for everyone to realize that the Vikings haven't even spoken to Kyler Murray or his agent. It's not legal to do so until league year. In no way should this be considered a foregone conclusion. And Geno Smith is a really good option as well. 

I've read several posts now from people who argue that signing Murray means the end of McCarthy's time in Minnesota, but I've yet to hear anyone explain why they think that in a convincing way. So curious, why do you think that? 

In one of my rants, bitching about the fact that we didn't sign Darnold to a two-year deal, you said that Darnold would not have accepted a two-year deal. You were exactly right. He would not have. And neither will Murray. If we do sign Murray, he will either be a rousing success, an utter failure or something in between. In only one of those scenarios do I see the Vikings trading McCarthy: the rousing success. And if that’s the case, why would we even care?

Yeah, I know we disagree on this. I think I've explained it the best I can in previous posts, but its mostly because he's already played a year as a starter. That's not how it was with either Aaron Rodgers or Jordan Love. They sat.....they then were placed as starters....and they became QB1. So they were starting from a complete different place of hope and comfort....no prior baggage to bring BACK into the starter's role which you would with JJM. You are benching JJ McCarthy when you do this with Murray. You're saying you aren't good enough, we gave you a shot. Its a completely different dynamic. And I don't see Minnesota trading McCarthy, he'd be QB2 this year and maybe next year. But never again The Man. You can't put the toothpaste back in the container. IMO.

I totally agree about Kyler signing a one year deal, for sure....he wants his next big pay day and contract. Arizona has that covered this year, if he does very well, Minnesota will have the next one covered because no way they let him walk like they did Uncle Sammy and Daniel Jones, who by the way are the perfect QBs for KOC's offense. We would care because of the reps that JJ would miss sitting the bench, the development is stunted.

[medaille]

I'm not of the mind that a QB is being brought in to be the unquestionable starter. I don't think there's a QB thats available where you think to yourself, "That's the guy I want to hitch my wagon to for years" Kyler Murray makes sense to me in the context of one year, he's really cheap and he's pretty good, relative to everything else. I don't think he's really a scheme fit. KOC is going to want his QB to stand in the pocket, make the right read, and hit the open guy where KOC planned for him to be open at. How does KOC feel about the less structured approach? What's everyone ragging on JJM about? Being injured all the time. Kyler has that problem too. He's been injured more than available 3 of the last 4 years.

What I think we have is an imperfect situation, where KOC needs to field a competitive team. The Wilfs want us competitive every year. KOC was promised to be a QB whisperer. I think KOC just needs insurance in the case that JJM doesn't take the necessary next steps. I don't think the Wilfs really want to spend huge dollars this year after spending so much money laster year. I think we'll see a real competition. I think JJM will win the competition, but the veteran will have a real shot at winning. I think JJM will show enough that we want to see what happens in the regular season. I think that if JJM doesn't play well enough after half a season the insurance plan will come in, and they'll try to make a playoff run with a guy like Kyler.