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MaroonBells · 3 hours ago

How does it happen that EVERY SINGLE ONE of the offensive linemen we shipped out the last couple years have become revelations for their new teams? I can understand one, maybe two. But all four? Cleveland, Risner, and Ingram finished as top fifth guards and Bradbury had the best pass blocking season of his career in New England.

purplefaithful · 2 hours ago

I didnt even know Risner was still playing....It's pretty mind-boggling.

Not sure Ive seen anything like it b4. Scheme? QB play? Viking curse? Coaching?

I wonder what our OL coaching turn-over is relative to league avg?

supafreak84 · 2 hours ago

(2 hours ago)purplefaithful Wrote: I didnt even know Risner was still playing....It's pretty mind-boggling.

Not sure Ive seen anything like it b4. Scheme? QB play? Viking curse? Coaching?

I wonder what our OL coaching turn-over is relative to league avg?

I think scheme definately has played a factor. When you rank 29th in rush attempts in the OConnell tenure and you are asking these guys to pass block constantly instead of running a more balanced attack, it's going to negatively impact their overall performance. The "chuck and duck" isn't condusive to making offensive lineman look good.

purplefaithful · 2 hours ago

(2 hours ago)supafreak84 Wrote: I think scheme definately has played a factor. When you rank 29th in rush attempts in the OConnell tenure and you are asking these guys to pass block constantly instead of running a more balanced attack, it's going to negatively impact their overall performance. The "chuck and duck" isn't condusive to making offensive lineman look good.

This has been going on b4 KOC...

comet52 · 1 hour ago

We will see if jettisoning Chris Kuper makes a difference. And if Philly's oline regresses now.

medaille · 1 hour ago

(3 hours ago)MaroonBells Wrote: How does it happen that EVERY SINGLE ONE of the offensive linemen we shipped out the last couple years have become revelations for their new teams? I can understand one, maybe two. But all four? Cleveland, Risner, and Ingram finished as top fifth guards and Bradbury had the best pass blocking season of his career in New England.

How do you figure top fifth? Like by what metrics?

If you go onto PFF, there’s 81 guards that had enough snaps to qualify.

There’s 64 starting guards, top 5th would be top 13 of starters.
If you want top 5th of starters and backups, I guess that would be in the top 20.

Ed Ingram was 18th of 81
Dalton Risner was 26th of 81
Ezra Cleveland was 27th of 81

That said, the point still stands, The Vikings guards were in the mid 40’s. Why did we get rid of guys and replace them only to see the replacements do worse than the guys we replaced. A big part of it is QB play. We had shit QB play. Shit QB play will make the Oline look worse and competent play will make the Oline look better. Another part of it is KOC chasing explosives. The Oline is always going to look worse if the play designs are expecting the OLine to block for longer. A little more speculative would be quality of Oline coaching.

StickierBuns · 1 hour ago

So QB play makes the offensive line?? Since when, lol? Its the reverse. We had so many offensive line injuries, along with Darrisaw coming back from a major injury, starting a rookie at LG, a new center and RG in free agency and then starting a guy who never played center before in Brandel. So that didn't impact QB play at all? And oh yeah, O'Neill missed a few starts also.

Fans, man....lol.

MaroonBells · 1 hour ago

(1 hour ago)medaille Wrote: How do you figure top fifth? Like by what metrics?

If you go onto PFF, there’s 81 guards that had enough snaps to qualify.

There’s 64 starting guards, top 5th would be top 13 of starters.
If you want top 5th of starters and backups, I guess that would be in the top 20.

Ed Ingram was 18th of 81
Dalton Risner was 26th of 81
Ezra Cleveland was 27th of 81

That said, the point still stands, The Vikings guards were in the mid 40’s. Why did we get rid of guys and replace them only to see the replacements do worse than the guys we replaced. A big part of it is QB play. We had shit QB play. Shit QB play will make the Oline look worse and competent play will make the Oline look better. Another part of it is KOC chasing explosives. The Oline is always going to look worse if the play designs are expecting the OLine to block for longer. A little more speculative would be quality of Oline coaching.

OK, so top fourth or top third. It doesn't really matter to the basic point that the Vikings moved on from four IOLs who played significantly better elsewhere, and not after a year or two, almost immediately. I agree with your last paragraph.