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(Yesterday, 12:03 PM)purplefaithful Wrote: ^^^
Was that b4 or after they let Darnold and Jones walk?
I dont think the story holds water, who trades a top 10 draft pick QB after only 1 year ( of recovery ) for a couple day 2 picks? even if they had planned on keeping one or the other of those QBs, you still dont dump JJM for low value while he is still early into his rookie deal. If nothing else you keep him around, hope he shows good in what are likely back up QB opportunities, and he nets you a couple first rounders after a year or two. I just dont buy the story.
Why isn't Chuck Foreman in the Hall of Fame?
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(Yesterday, 11:42 AM)pattersaur Wrote: I keep thinking about this--
If McCarthy was on another NFL team, and had gone through all of what he's gone through in the last 18 months, and been jerked around by not just injuries but also it sounds like, the team who drafted him... AND if that other team was ready to cut ties with him after less than 2 years when he's barely 23 years old, AND if the Vikings 'needed' a QB-- Would McCarthy not be a solid option to try and go get for KO? The Vikings would be silly to trade him away, even if they do go get another QB. Unless he demands it, I suppose.
I am not comparing JJM to him, but this could easily be Will Levis described above.
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(Yesterday, 12:08 PM)JimmyinSD Wrote: I dont think the story holds water, who trades a top 10 draft pick QB after only 1 year ( of recovery ) for a couple day 2 picks? even if they had planned on keeping one or the other of those QBs, you still dont dump JJM for low value while he is still early into his rookie deal. If nothing else you keep him around, hope he shows good in what are likely back up QB opportunities, and he nets you a couple first rounders after a year or two. I just dont buy the story.
^^^
Me either....
Hurry-up Vikings, we ain't getting any younger!
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(Yesterday, 12:08 PM)JimmyinSD Wrote: I dont think the story holds water, who trades a top 10 draft pick QB after only 1 year ( of recovery ) for a couple day 2 picks? even if they had planned on keeping one or the other of those QBs, you still dont dump JJM for low value while he is still early into his rookie deal. If nothing else you keep him around, hope he shows good in what are likely back up QB opportunities, and he nets you a couple first rounders after a year or two. I just dont buy the story.
The Cardinals traded Josh Rosen, who was a top 10 pick, after only a year for a 2nd and 5th round picks. So it's happened and there's precedent. If McCarthy doesn't improve, we might have wished we made that deal
(Yesterday, 12:03 PM)purplefaithful Wrote: ^^^
Was that b4 or after they let Darnold and Jones walk?
It was before apparently, as OConnell favored keeping Darnold while Kwesi wanted to move forward with McCarthy
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(Yesterday, 12:39 PM)supafreak84 Wrote: The Cardinals traded Josh Rosen, who was a top 10 pick, after only a year for a 2nd and 5th round picks. So it's happened and there's precedent. If McCarthy doesn't improve, we might have wished we made that deal
It was before apparently, as OConnell favored keeping Darnold while Kwesi wanted to move forward with McCarthy
IIRC Rosen looked pretty bad, but at least had a body of work to support moving on early, with JJM there was nothing. Also they moved on to take another rookie to develop, not turn it back over to a high dollar veteran.
There is a precedent, but not entirely the same situation, and still a dumb move if we had done it IMO.
Ironically they were both taken 10th overall.
Why isn't Chuck Foreman in the Hall of Fame?
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(Yesterday, 01:44 PM)JimmyinSD Wrote: IIRC Rosen looked pretty bad, but at least had a body of work to support moving on early, with JJM there was nothing. Also they moved on to take another rookie to develop, not turn it back over to a high dollar veteran.
There is a precedent, but not entirely the same situation, and still a dumb move if we had done it IMO.
Ironically they were both taken 10th overall.
It’s still a dumb move if the Vikings were to trade him today. He’s a top ten draft pick QB who’s had 9 starts.
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(Yesterday, 03:26 PM)pattersaur Wrote: It’s still a dumb move if the Vikings were to trade him today. He’s a top ten QB who’s had 9 starts.
With stats that compare pretty favorably against his draft class first 9 games.
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(Yesterday, 08:58 PM)Canthony Wrote: With stats that compare pretty favorably against his draft class first 9 games.
in fairness, how many of that draft class had the weapons at his disposal that JJM has though? this O was QB ready and he really should have decent numbers despite being a newbie, also he had 2 full offseasons before his first 9 games, and a year of sitting and studying the O behind a veteran, most of the others didnt have that luxury so its really hard to play that comparison game.
kind of like all the guys that are setting records for their clubs... in 17 games, big whoop! ya got to compare apples to apples.
this is not knocking on JJM, I am simply pointing out that rosy stats against his peers, are not really that unexpected all things considered.
Why isn't Chuck Foreman in the Hall of Fame?
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(Yesterday, 09:16 PM)JimmyinSD Wrote: in fairness, how many of that draft class had the weapons at his disposal that JJM has though? this O was QB ready and he really should have decent numbers despite being a newbie, also he had 2 full offseasons before his first 9 games, and a year of sitting and studying the O behind a veteran, most of the others didnt have that luxury so its really hard to play that comparison game.
kind of like all the guys that are setting records for their clubs... in 17 games, big whoop! ya got to compare apples to apples.
this is not knocking on JJM, I am simply pointing out that rosy stats against his peers, are not really that unexpected all things considered.
Yeah maybe, I really hope KOC allows us to see it next year. I have my doubts, however. Caleb is feast or famine. Looks HOF at times. Others, looks lost. Hes young. I have next to no confidence that Daniels will make it. Maybe its the team around him. Maye has a good set up where he is at. Maye has not looked good this post season, downright bad many times to be honest. Nix was blessed with the perfect system. JJ can make throws that Nix won't ever be able to make though. JJ can make a throw and you look and say, WTF. How did he make that throw. Something I don't think Nix has.
I just hope KOC continues to work with JJ and lets him play next year at only 23. (STILL the youngest QB in the league)
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