Vikings @ Cowboys

[Canthony]

LOL    "Big Time Throw Rate..."  WTF are we just making up stats now so everyone can be good at something,  like participation trophies

It measures throws difficulty level really. Mainly down field past LOS. Balls thrown in rhythm, timing, with excellent ball location. His talent level is actually really high.

[JimmyinSD]

It measures throws difficulty level really. Mainly down field past LOS. Balls thrown in rhythm, timing, with excellent ball location. His talent level is actually really high.

You play with stats long enough and you can find a positive for even the shittiest players... all these tortured stats lead to head scratching drafts and problem rosters.

[MaroonBells]

LOL    "Big Time Throw Rate..."  WTF are we just making up stats now so everyone can be good at something,  like participation trophies

I think it's good they started tracking these. They also now track "Turnover Worthy Plays" to provide a more accurate evaluation of a player's performance. Statistically, two QBs who both throw 20-yard touchdown passes are exactly the same. But if one QB throws this pass under pressure, on 3rd and long, in a tight window to take the lead in the game...it's a whole different thing than a QB who throws a 20-yard TD pass on 1st and 10, with no pressure, well behind the receiver and if the DB had a clue would've easily been picked off. Those two passes should not have equal weight.

[Canthony]

You play with stats long enough and you can find a positive for even the shittiest players... all these tortured stats lead to head scratching drafts and problem rosters.

Well, if you can't see the talent level and you see JJ as "shitty" okay then. To each their own.

[JimmyinSD]

Well, if you can't see the talent level and you see JJ as "shitty" okay then. To each their own.

WTF are you talking about?  Reading comprehension is not a strong suit of yours is it, that was clearly a hypothetical statement to point our the insanity of all these new stats and metrics?  Or do you read something and then add made up meaning in an effort to get yourself offended ( Like I asked last time,  are you trying to find fights when you post?).  I was not taking a shot at JJM at all, this is about another stupid metric which is once again going to be evaluated by who knows what or who.

[JimmyinSD]

I think it's good they started tracking these. They also now track "Turnover Worthy Plays" to provide a more accurate evaluation of a player's performance. Statistically, two QBs who both throw 20-yard touchdown passes are exactly the same. But if one QB throws this pass under pressure, on 3rd and long, in a tight window to take the lead in the game...it's a whole different thing than a QB who throws a 20-yard TD pass on 1st and 10, with no pressure, well behind the receiver and if the DB had a clue would've easily been picked off. Those two passes should not have equal weight.

I think I dont trust "they",  with all the video sources out there I think its best to form our own opinions by watching players instead of relying on "they" to tell me how to think.  

I agree that 2 situations can and are very often completely different,  my issue is that they dont seem to be able to do things without bias,  or dont seem to have a clear understanding of the complexity of an issue and apply a very general grading process.  Say for example that CB is trusting help that doesnt come because the QB looked off the safety prior to throwing the ball... I doubt the graders get that into a play,  I just think there is way to many unknowns and nuances in the game for it to be whittled down to a grade or even a series of grades.  for a scale to have real meaning it just about needs to be your own scale for how you view things,  and your scale wont likely work for me or others as we dont weight things the same in evaluating anymore than 2 GMs or certainly not people trying to grade thousands of players in thousands of plays over the course of a few days.

[purplefaithful]

A ‘chess match’ Sunday night

Though the Cowboys finished Sunday night with almost 300 passing yards (294), the Vikings defense limited their explosiveness to a handful of plays.
The Cowboys are tied with Seattle for the NFL lead in pass plays over 40 yards with 11 and have another 47 over 20 yards.

Against the Vikings, quarterback Dak Prescott found receivers for gains of over 20 yards only four times. His longest connections of the night were 30-yard passes to wide receiver CeeDee Lamb in the first and third quarters.

Lamb led the Cowboys in receiving with six catches on 10 targets for 111 yards. George Pickens, who has a team-high 1,212 receiving yards this season, was held to three receptions for 33 yards on six targets.

“Obviously going into the game, we all knew who their guys are,” Vikings cornerback Byron Murphy Jr. told reporters after the game. “We knew we had to take that off the board. We love that matchup. We want to go out there and guard the best. We knew today we couldn’t give up no deep shots, and that’s what we did.”

Something that played a large role in the Vikings’ ability to stifle the NFL’s top passing offense was what O’Connell called a “chess match” between Prescott and veteran Vikings safety Harrison Smith, who has been granted flexibility in defensive coordinator Brian Flores’ scheme because of his experience and football IQ.

O’Connell praised Smith’s “game within the game” Monday when asked what has clicked for the defense, which hasn’t given up a passing touchdown in five consecutive games.

“There’s been a really, really good combination of the marriage of our pressure packages, coverages and getting the quarterback off the spot, even on plays where we’re maybe not in full send-it mode,” O’Connell said, proceeding to call out the interior defensive linemen and outside linebackers specifically.

Dallas coach Brian Schottenheimer said the Vikings defense “seemed to be a step ahead of” his offense, disguising blitzes and coverages as is usual under Flores.

Prescott was pressured on 51.2% of his dropbacks, according to Next Gen Stats.

“That’s what Minnesota does, man,” Schottenheimer said postgame. “They light you up. They get up in the A-gaps and they bring different blitzes and pressures and they force free runners. And again, I got a chance to talk to Brian after the game and I told him, ‘Hey, hell of a job.’ ”

Strib

[Canthony]

WTF are you talking about?  Reading comprehension is not a strong suit of yours is it, that was clearly a hypothetical statement to point our the insanity of all these new stats and metrics?  Or do you read something and then add made up meaning in an effort to get yourself offended ( Like I asked last time,  are you trying to find fights when you post?).  I was not taking a shot at JJM at all, this is about another stupid metric which is once again going to be evaluated by who knows what or who.

Again, not at all. It's a stat that measures NFL throws difficulty level. I think there is merit to it. High talent level that needs to work on a few things. I think most can see however, that he really does have a high talent level. Especially when they just let him go out there and play. 

He is also the only QB in history to throw for 2 TDs and rush for a TD in 3 of his first 8 games. Another stat that is not meaningless. It really takes talent to do what he can do with his throws. 

It isn't that I am trying to fight. Most know I was and still holding on to being a big supporter of JJ. Just listened to many talk sideways with comments over the offseason and this season. Even down to people saying Brosmer is something he isn't. Quite frankly he has little NFL talent. 

Point is, the 22 year old, youngest QB in the league, has something and I believe he has chance to be something big.

[badgervike]

Jerry Jones giving JJ credit for winning the game