Charlie Kirk Shot

[Waterboy]

Seeing video, there is very little chance that he survived.

I must say the anger that I possess right now is not healthy towards many of the people on here that make a sport of spewing their hate for Trump or anyone that dares to support him.  You don't use words like fascism, nazi, and all the other bullshit that spew out of today's Democratic party without that hate penetrating the public.  How many more of the types of attacks on ICE, on Trump, on politicians, justices, people that show suppor for Trump, etc.. are needed before people can accept the outcome of an election and a movement.  Trump for all his warts is mostly a moderate who wants less crime, less war, and more prosperity for all.  It shouldn't result in the shit that's come about, and it's just to the point where I'll say f..k you to those of you with TDS so bad that that kind of hate emanates from you.  A self-made man was gunned down today for the express purpose of silencing him because they couldn't defeat his arguments..

[purplefaithful]

Well, there's plenty of room in the anger line WB, plenty of room...

I'm still sending "thoughts and prayers" to the kids gunned down while in church mass and sad about the Hortmans and Gilbert...

Its the American way...Goes back to Lincoln, Bobby k, JFK, MLK, Gerald Ford, R. Regan and many more. 

[Waterboy]

Only one side uses the verbiage of Fascism, Nazis, and Hitler from the top of the party to the voters, which helps already unstable people justify these types of actions. There are so many sick people in this country, but the hatred emanates far more from the left than the right. This is a true gut punch. Just announced by Trump that he has died. For those of you (and you know who you are) that can't have a discussion without using these labels and slander, all I can do is pray for you. I'm so mad, but I refuse to be like the people that I speak of now.

[badgervike]

I agree we need to mourn for all PF but I think there is a difference between the mass shootings and the targeted political shootings. Politics has become way too divisive and the division is increasing breeding this kind of activity. The Trump assassination attempts, Scalise attempt, Minnesota legislators, Kirk shooting are reflective of a society that devalues the other side. The over the top rhetoric has to stop. For instance, MSNBC's first response to the shooting was that they couldn't be sure it wasn't a Trump supporter just celebrating and their gun accidently went off. What do you figure the odds are of that? But it does provide insight into the state of the media that would jump to that hypothesis in spite of the astronomical odds against it being correct.

Did they ever figure out a motive for MN legislators btw? It kind of fell off from the National news cycle so I lost track.

[purplefaithful]

I agree we need to mourn for all PF but I think there is a difference between the mass shootings and the targeted political shootings.  Politics has become way too divisive and the division is increasing breeding this kind of activity.  The Trump assassination attempts, Scalise attempt, Minnesota legislators, Kirk shooting are reflective of a society that devalues the other side.  The over the top rhetoric has to stop.  For instance, MSNBC's first response to the shooting was that they couldn't be sure it wasn't a Trump supporter just celebrating and their gun accidently went off.  What do you figure the odds are of that?  But it does provide insight into the state of the media that would jump to that hypothesis in spite of the astronomical odds against it being correct.

Did they ever figure out a motive for MN legislators btw?  It kind of fell off from the National news cycle so I lost track.

I think they have a handle on it, but that one is going to be a long simmer with so much evidence to plow through. 

Look, I agree the politics in the country have gone crazy btw...I thought a lot of what Biden said was not presidential and welcoming to all (but neither is current Potus' WOKE posts etc.)

Neither one has reached across the aisle or tried to lower the temp. There is no reward for compromise today and there's plenty of division and hate to go around. 

The temp needs to be lowered, but I suspect that'll end-up in the thoughts and prayers pile.

[Waterboy]

I agree we need to mourn for all PF but I think there is a difference between the mass shootings and the targeted political shootings.  Politics has become way too divisive and the division is increasing breeding this kind of activity.  The Trump assassination attempts, Scalise attempt, Minnesota legislators, Kirk shooting are reflective of a society that devalues the other side.  The over the top rhetoric has to stop.  For instance, MSNBC's first response to the shooting was that they couldn't be sure it wasn't a Trump supporter just celebrating and their gun accidently went off.  What do you figure the odds are of that?  But it does provide insight into the state of the media that would jump to that hypothesis in spite of the astronomical odds against it being correct.

Did they ever figure out a motive for MN legislators btw?  It kind of fell off from the National news cycle so I lost track.

I do mourn for all, but I also want to say that the reasons for people like Charlie Kirk being murdered are due to the rhetoric, and there is no way that both sides are equally culpable.  The false premises and lies spread by the media and leaders of the Democratic party are so vile as to make events like this inevitable rather than random acts.  TDS used to be a funny thing for me.  Now, it's obvious that it is not only real, it threatens our existence as a free country.  Nazi, Facscist, Existential Threat to Democracy, Racist.  All words used loosely, stupidly and consistently amongst liberals.  Enough is enough.  A part of our country's soul died today.  A loving father of two beautiful young girls and lovely wife gunned down because he dared to speak views of wholesomeness, responsibility, and rationality.  When they couldn't defeat his arguments where he willingly brought those who he disagreed with to the front of the line, they simply killed him, and there are cheerleaders online saying he deserved it.

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I think they have a handle on it, but that one is going to be a long simmer with so much evidence to plow through. 

Look, I agree the politics in the country have gone crazy btw...I thought a lot of what Biden said was not presidential and welcoming to all (but neither is current Potus' WOKE posts etc.)

Neither one has reached across the aisle or tried to lower the temp. There is no reward for compromise today and there's plenty of division and hate to go around. 

The temp needs to be lowered, but I suspect that'll end-up in the thoughts and prayers pile.

I'm too emotional to listen to you properly right now.  There's a lot of anger, and I don't feel that the rhetoric on both sides is anywheres near being equal.  It's very one-sided and has been since 2016.  I think trying to slip in a shot about thoughts and prayers right now is below you.  For many on here, no.  For you, it falls short of where you should be right now.  Believe it or not, in a lot of peoples worst moments, that's all they have to go to.

[badgervike]

I think the point for the Right is that we have normalized calling people racists...or Nazis...or Hitler. It even happens with some regularity on this board. Kirk had the Hitler/Nazi thing tossed at him with great regularity. When people asked where and when they would go back in time if they had a time machine...what was the #1 answer? Go back to the pre-Nazi period in Germany and kill Hitler and save millions of lives. You're seeing the rhetoric already in some of the media coverage of his assassination...calling Kirk dangerous and divisive... I didn't agree with some of his stuff but at least he was willing to go out and respectfully have discussions with those with different viewpoints...maybe too effectively for some on the Left.

[purplefaithful]

I do mourn for all, but I also want to say that the reasons for people like Charlie Kirk being murdered are due to the rhetoric, and there is no way that both sides are equally culpable.  The false premises and lies spread by the media and leaders of the Democratic party are so vile as to make events like this inevitable rather than random acts.  TDS used to be a funny thing for me.  Now, it's obvious that it is not only real, it threatens our existence as a free country.  Nazi, Facscist, Existential Threat to Democracy, Racist.  All words used loosely, stupidly and consistently amongst liberals.  Enough is enough.  A part of our country's soul died today.  A loving father of two beautiful young girls and lovely wife gunned down because he dared to speak views of wholesomeness, responsibility, and rationality.  When they couldn't defeat his arguments where he willingly brought those who he disagreed with to the front of the line, they simply killed him, and there are cheerleaders online saying he deserved it.

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I'm too emotional to listen to you properly right now.  There's a lot of anger, and I don't feel that the rhetoric on both sides is anywheres near being equal.  It's very one-sided and has been since 2016.  I think trying to slip in a shot about thoughts and prayers right now is below you.  For many on here, no.  For you, it falls short of where you should be right now.  Believe it or not, in a lot of peoples worst moments, that's all they have to go to.

This will be my last post in this thread, but wanted to respond...

At the bold, thats a good reminder; that for some, it's still a meaningful phrase and notion.

IT's rung hollow (for me) for so long as it pertains to gun violence/gun control that I've come to discount it a great deal. 

Sadly, we have another household with an empty chair at the dinner table. Hopefully, this country can turn down the political rhetoric/heat  in our life-times. Maybe the mid-terms we'll start hearing/seeing signs.

[Waterboy]

This will be my last post in this thread, but wanted to respond...

At the bold, thats a good reminder; that for some, it's still a meaningful phrase and notion.

IT's rung hollow (for me) for so long as it pertains to gun violence/gun control that I've come to discount it a great deal. 

Sadly, we have another household with an empty chair at the dinner table. Hopefully, this country can turn down the political rhetoric heat  and find sensible ways to keep guns out of the hands of people that shouldn't own one.

I think the error in your logic is that for many when they say you’re in my prayers they mean it.  When I offer a prayer for someone I’m doing something meaningful. The power of wishing well and good in moments of powerful reflection leads to people being better in every day life.  Somewhere along the line, people have started to think they’re more powerful than our God.  I know where I want to end up when my time here is done, and I hope I’m worthy of his grace and that I have helped others join me.  For those that want to minimize that, I feel sorry for them.

[JimmyinSD]

I think the error in your logic is that for many when they say you’re in my prayers they mean it.  When I offer a prayer for someone I’m doing something meaningful. The power of wishing well and good in moments of powerful reflection leads to people being better in every day life.  Somewhere along the line, people have started to think they’re more powerful than our God.  I know where I want to end up when my time here is done, and I hope I’m worthy of his grace and that I have helped others join me.  For those that want to minimize that, I feel sorry for them.

PF is one of the most genuinely good humans you will ever meet.  Despite his political differences,   I can guarantee you he found no joy in the actions of today,  and any inference to the contrary will not be tolerated.