Do you miss the drama?

[purplefaithful]

I agree with you in a broader sense.  The problem I have is that the left is moving batshit crazy left, while Trump has brought the Republicans to the center already.  Meeting in the middle isn't an alternative anymore.   Left to their own direction, the left wants illegal immigrants overrunning the country so that they can institute one party rule.  They don't care who's damaged on their way to doing so.  They take senseless positions like supporting Hamas and the LGTBQ movement even though Hamas would murder them on site in most cases.  

To this point, who can look at the two new cheerleaders and honestly say they aren't trying to send a message?  lol  It's disingenuous to say any different.  I've said it since the beginning of the thread, it's not one of my big worries in life at this point in time.  I will also say it's ridiculous and could spark backlash needlessly.  It's already made the Vikings an online joke.  So, it's not truly totally harmful or harmless at this point in time, but people criticizing it have every right to do so. 

Finally, anyone that doesn't have cynicism after seeing what happened in this country over the last ten years predominantly as a result of a big lie conducted by one party is oblivious.  I say this respectfully to you knowing we disagree politically.  I think your views are genuine, but you are the exception, not the rule in terms of liberals that honestly want to progress dialogue.

Yah, my preaching was about things in general...Not the cheerleader angst.

[badgervike]

I was out with a (very liberal) friend of mine last night and he brought it up because he knows I'm a Vikings fan. I said I thought it was ridiculous but it was what it was. He began the whole liberal gaslight argument that there have been male cheerleaders forever...including people like Reagan. He was angry at the "MAGA" crowd for making a big deal out of this. I asked him if he'd actually seen the introduction of the cheerleaders video. He hadn't. I showed him the intro video with their new lead cheerleader. He broke into laughter and said "well...that's gay as hell".

As Jimmy said, there's a big difference from male cheerleaders who do the lifts and maybe a tumbling run or two (or in Reagan's case...cheer into a megaphone) and what's going on in the league. It's not just the Vikings.

[purplefaithful]

I was out with a (very liberal) friend of mine last night and he brought it up because he knows I'm a Vikings fan.  I said I thought it was ridiculous but it was what it was.  He began the whole liberal gaslight argument that there have been male cheerleaders forever...including people like Reagan.  He was angry at the "MAGA" crowd for making a big deal out of this.  I asked him if he'd actually seen the introduction of the cheerleaders video.  He hadn't.  I showed him the intro video with their new lead cheerleader.  He broke into laughter and said "well...that's gay as hell". 

As Jimmy said, there's a big difference from male cheerleaders who do the lifts and maybe a tumbling run or two (or in Reagan's case...cheer into a megaphone) and what's going on in the league.  It's not just the Vikings.

Yah, I posted the Alabama male cheerleaders earlier to make the very point. 

There was a read in local paper re: the mom of one of the male cheerleaders. She's obviously very sad about the outrage. 

The line (for some) that was crossed is that these male cheerleaders are actually dancing and not doing acrobatic feats of strength and prowess - which we're used to and comfortable with. 

For some, thats too much, for others? They could give a crap. 

As a marketer, Im not sure how this enhances the Vikings brand, but it aint my team. 

I dont believe the level of angst for some matches the egregiousness of the dancing, but thats me. Appears more teams are engaging this way over time vs fewer. 

I guess turn the other way if you dont like it? You dont have to cheer em on.

[JimmyinSD]

Yah, I posted the Alabama male cheerleaders earlier to make the very point. 

There was a read in local paper re: the mom of one of the male cheerleaders. She's obviously very sad about the outrage. 

The line (for some) that was crossed is that these male cheerleaders are actually dancing and not doing acrobatic feats of strength and prowess - which we're used to and comfortable with. 

For some, thats too much, for others? They could give a crap. 

As a marketer, Im not sure how this enhances the Vikings brand, but it aint my team. 

I dont believe the level of angst for some matches the egregiousness of the dancing, but thats me. Appears more teams are engaging this way over time vs fewer. 

I guess turn the other way if you dont like it? You dont have to cheer em on.

from a marketing standpoint... i doesnt at all help the team.  I dont know how many will actually follow through and cancel their tickets or stop supporting the team in other ways,  but I can about guarantee that those loses wont be offset by revenues gained by this move.  will it matter... not likely,  I dont see enough people having the conviction to actually stop supporting the team ( which means not watching them since that still helps the tv ratings)  

for some the angst is just like the take a knee outrage was for some... "I want to escape from that shit for a few hours and just be entertained,  now we have this shit"... well we now we have this shit,  I can about guarantee that this will be  a focus point for the tv cameras.  its going to our own little taylor swift shit show.

[badgervike]

from a marketing standpoint... i doesnt at all help the team.  I dont know how many will actually follow through and cancel their tickets or stop supporting the team in other ways,  but I can about guarantee that those loses wont be offset by revenues gained by this move.  will it matter... not likely,  I dont see enough people having the conviction to actually stop supporting the team ( which means not watching them since that still helps the tv ratings)  

for some the angst is just like the take a knee outrage was for some... "I want to escape from that shit for a few hours and just be entertained,  now we have this shit"... well we now we have this shit,  I can about guarantee that this will be  a focus point for the tv cameras.  its going to our own little taylor swift shit show.

The NFL has announced they will also continue to have social justice messages ( "End Racism," "Stop Hate," "Choose Love," or "Inspire Change") in the end zones again this year so woke will continue to be part of the game.

[JimmyinSD]

The NFL has announced they will also continue to have social justice messages ( "End Racism," "Stop Hate," "Choose Love," or "Inspire Change") in the end zones again this year so woke will continue to be part of the game.

those messages are fine, honestly not sure who can argue with the message alone.

its how some want to interpret those messages and have them mandated is what rattles the cages.

[badgervike]

those messages are fine, honestly not sure who can argue with the message alone.

its how some want to interpret those messages and have them mandated is what rattles the cages.

I have a liberal friend that after numerous related conversations with me has summed it up as "it's about respect, about caring for others, about respecting those that are different or those with differing viewpoints....which part of that do you not understand you racist, nazi"  lol.