Quote: @"Geoff Nichols" said:
@ MarkSP18 said:
JJ Watt had surgery for a herniated disc in his back and has had no relapse.
The neck is different I suppose but if Sugarman signs off then that's all they need.
They better pay him now rather than wait for another double digit sack season that is for dang sure.
His cap hits the next 3 years are 17.75M, 17.75M, and 14.75M according to overthecap.
Give him a new 5 year 102.5M deal (adding two years really) with a 25M signing bonus.
He would get a 12M option bonus in 2023 spread over 3 years.
His salaries would be 7.75M, 7.75M, 10.5M, 19M, and 20.5M
His cap hits would be 17.75M, 17.75M, 21.5M, 28M, & 29.5M
He'll take home 32.5M in 2021, 7.75M in 2022, 22.5M in 2023, 19M in 2024, and 20.5M in 2025.
63M over the next 3 years is good.
They can include some incentives based on snaps played to bump it up some.
It puts him 300K average per year behind Frank Clark and 500K average per year behind Demarcus Lawrence.
That is pretty good and does not cost them any cap space the next two years.
It will basically cost them the 25M signing bonus.
They can do it if they want to.
Its a pipe dream if you think he will sign for $20M/yr. It will be $25M per season or slightly above on an extension. Myles Garrett's deal is the benchmark and after what happened on his most recent deal there is no way he is going to settle and have others pass him over again. You can still manage the cap hits on a $25M/yr deal but you're entering the Kirk vs. Danielle debate since you might not be able to carry both of them plus high priced RBs and LBs.
It sounds like a Danielle vs. Anthony debate, at least if it happens in 2021.
So Geoff, what could Vikings get in a deal for Hunter?
Quote: @Lee 19 said:
So Geoff, what could Vikings get in a deal for Hunter?
I think he said somewhere that it would start with a deal similar to what Oakland got for Mack which was 2 1sts, a 3rd, and a 6th.
The deal for Hunter that I was suggesting a while ago was Kirk, Hunter and draft picks for Deshaun Watson.
Quote: @JimmyinSD said:
@ Lee 19 said:
So Geoff, what could Vikings get in a deal for Hunter?
I think he said somewhere that it would start with a deal similar to what Oakland got for Mack which was 2 1sts, a 3rd, and a 6th.
I think they would shoot for two 1st round picks. But more likely its a 1st and 2nd or two 1sts with the Viking's sending a pick back in 2022 similar to the Mack deal. Regardless, they could get a lot of Hunter. But that's arguably why you probably shouldn't trade him, you can't replace him.
Quote: @"Geoff Nichols" said:
@ MarkSP18 said:
JJ Watt had surgery for a herniated disc in his back and has had no relapse.
The neck is different I suppose but if Sugarman signs off then that's all they need.
They better pay him now rather than wait for another double digit sack season that is for dang sure.
His cap hits the next 3 years are 17.75M, 17.75M, and 14.75M according to overthecap.
Give him a new 5 year 102.5M deal (adding two years really) with a 25M signing bonus.
He would get a 12M option bonus in 2023 spread over 3 years.
His salaries would be 7.75M, 7.75M, 10.5M, 19M, and 20.5M
His cap hits would be 17.75M, 17.75M, 21.5M, 28M, & 29.5M
He'll take home 32.5M in 2021, 7.75M in 2022, 22.5M in 2023, 19M in 2024, and 20.5M in 2025.
63M over the next 3 years is good.
They can include some incentives based on snaps played to bump it up some.
It puts him 300K average per year behind Frank Clark and 500K average per year behind Demarcus Lawrence.
That is pretty good and does not cost them any cap space the next two years.
It will basically cost them the 25M signing bonus.
They can do it if they want to.
Its a pipe dream if you think he will sign for $20M/yr. It will be $25M per season or slightly above on an extension. Myles Garrett's deal is the benchmark and after what happened on his most recent deal there is no way he is going to settle and have others pass him over again. You can still manage the cap hits on a $25M/yr deal but you're entering the Kirk vs. Danielle debate since you might not be able to carry both of them plus high priced RBs and LBs.
If he is healthy enough then they can afford the 25M too.
Bump the signing bonus up to 35M and the option bonus up to 15M
His salaries would be 5.75M, 8.75M, 10.5M, 25M, and 25M
His cap hits would be 17.75M, 20.75M, 24.5M, 37M, & 37M
In 2023, they might be paying a rookie QB salary.
Quote: @"Geoff Nichols" said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
@ Lee 19 said:
So Geoff, what could Vikings get in a deal for Hunter?
I think he said somewhere that it would start with a deal similar to what Oakland got for Mack which was 2 1sts, a 3rd, and a 6th.
I think they would shoot for two 1st round picks. But more likely its a 1st and 2nd or two 1sts with the Viking's sending a pick back in 2022 similar to the Mack deal. Regardless, they could get a lot of Hunter. But that's arguably why you probably shouldn't trade him, you can't replace him.
hopefully his camp settles down for a while and doesnt push this, I dont see a way MN can do and extension right now without screwing the future cap to shit. get 1 more year to show that hes back to pre neck injury form and then see where the team is at in terms of Cousin, Barr, and any other bad contracts they should be looking to get out from under before committing long term to this kind of money.
To me, the ball is in his court if he wants to push it. Then it’s yes or no. If they can make it work, you do it. He’s worth the salary based on performance and age. This is assuming the injury is healed up, which it should be by now.
Like someone said though, between him and Kirk we’ll be getting pressed against the cap with a reduced(ing) cap right now. I’m not sure I like that and I have to think the team may feel the same way. I wouldn’t consider trading him for less than two firsts plus extra.
Then I lean on the same brain trust that discovered him, to do their due diligence and find his replacement. There will be one in this draft. Possibly a couple of players who can make a big difference over the next five years and save the cap. Realistically, we need at least two starter ready defensive lineman. Multiple firsts would help that.
If it’s me, I’d trade him. It sucks, but that’s the business.
Quote: @"Geoff Nichols" said:
@ MarkSP18 said:
JJ Watt had surgery for a herniated disc in his back and has had no relapse.
The neck is different I suppose but if Sugarman signs off then that's all they need.
They better pay him now rather than wait for another double digit sack season that is for dang sure.
His cap hits the next 3 years are 17.75M, 17.75M, and 14.75M according to overthecap.
Give him a new 5 year 102.5M deal (adding two years really) with a 25M signing bonus.
He would get a 12M option bonus in 2023 spread over 3 years.
His salaries would be 7.75M, 7.75M, 10.5M, 19M, and 20.5M
His cap hits would be 17.75M, 17.75M, 21.5M, 28M, & 29.5M
He'll take home 32.5M in 2021, 7.75M in 2022, 22.5M in 2023, 19M in 2024, and 20.5M in 2025.
63M over the next 3 years is good.
They can include some incentives based on snaps played to bump it up some.
It puts him 300K average per year behind Frank Clark and 500K average per year behind Demarcus Lawrence.
That is pretty good and does not cost them any cap space the next two years.
It will basically cost them the 25M signing bonus.
They can do it if they want to.
Its a pipe dream if you think he will sign for $20M/yr. It will be $25M per season or slightly above on an extension. Myles Garrett's deal is the benchmark and after what happened on his most recent deal there is no way he is going to settle and have others pass him over again. You can still manage the cap hits on a $25M/yr deal but you're entering the Kirk vs. Danielle debate since you might not be able to carry both of them plus high priced RBs and LBs.
I agree that at some point this could be a Danielle vs. Kirk debate. They should be able to keep both through the end of 2022, since whatever extension they give Hunter probably won't hit big until 2023. And Kirk has no money on the books in 2023 unless they extend him. That's when they will have to decide. So assuming they don't trade either one, they'll have two more years together to try to win a Super Bowl.
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