Quote: @mblack said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
@ Akvike said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
@ RS Express said:
sounds pretty much spot on. kids will get it and for the vast majority they will go home and in a short time be over it without ever needing hospitalization. i would say its stating the obvious if you look at the numbers.
except for the fact they might infect parents grandparents etc who won't possibly get just the sniffles---other than that all good.
They might, or they might not. Perhaps those high risk situations should be mitigated if possible and or be prepared for in advance. If families want to huddle in fear, allow them to distance learn, most states allow for home schooling of their children. ( typically mocked by a segment of our society that is now pretty vocally in favor of its use)
And no not all good, but neither is what was tried this spring, if it didn't spread like wildfire through Walmart's and Menards I am sure we can come up with solutions to get our kids educated in an environment conducive to better learning than their kitchen table or bedroom without blowing up the covid numbers.
You said: They might, or they might not.
My reply:
- Are you really serious? The mere fact that you use the word might is mind boggling to say the least
You said: Perhaps those high risk situations should be mitigated if possible and or be prepared for in advance. If families want to huddle in fear, allow them to distance learn, most states allow for home schooling of their children. ( typically mocked by a segment of our society that is now pretty vocally in favor of its use)
My reply:
- At the red. When would we have prepared in advance? Aren't you one of the same folks that questioned anything and every thing others presented as preventive measures? Its very noble now to sit hear and say we should be prepared in advance? The question is when and how? Also you missed the actual point again.
- We are NOT prepared so this point of yours is useless and we can't base anything on it. As simple as that.
- We are not prepared and based on what we know now we cant advocate for opening schools.
You Said: And no not all good, but neither is what was tried this spring, if it didn't spread like wildfire through Walmart's and Menards I am sure we can come up with solutions to get our kids educated in an environment conducive to better learning than their kitchen table or bedroom without blowing up the covid numbers.
My Reply:
- It did spread like wildfire when people gathered. Do you want Wal-mart numbers before you accept? What part of large gatherings are a breathing ground for the virus don't you understand?
- When you say "neither is what we tried this spring" I beg to differ.
Some of you were busy tearing down the efforts during the spring. If we were all onboard it may have worked so please dont pretend like we were all onboard with the options advanced by the experts. We decided to trust politicians because of what they had ... "gut feel".
- When you say you are sure we can come up with solutions who is we? I am hoping its not the same people who have been making suggestions and others have been bashing those suggestions. Again, if we dont have any suggestions we cant be for school re-opening. Until those solutions are in place no right thinking person would advocate for schools or businesses to open unless they have a hidden agenda as it more often is with a few on this board.
I was one of the few back in Jan/ Feb. telling people to take this serious, on this board and others, when people were being cavalier I was raising alarms, so dont try and box me in with what you think you remember. I have been trying to keep people from jumping the shark on both sides of this issue. Its not just those that are under reacting to the situation that need their facts checked, those that are constantly sending up false smoke are doing just as much damage to controlling this issue because there are some many that are tired of hearing wolf cried and looking around and only seeing a poodle.
I am not going to get into every single talking point on every single thing, but for Christs sake, there is no reason that schools in areas that arent showing upswings and such cant be looking to get back to some sort of new norm operations. whats good in your back yard may not work in mine, and Missouri isnt having near the issue that is being blasted about on the national news so if their gov and health dept say they are ready to look to get back into classrooms, then so be it. We cant live in constant fear.
Also, for those getting pissy with me on this, how many of you have 100% stuck to social distancing guidelines in your own lives? you havent attended any grad parties in the last months, church or other social gatherings? I know I have taken fair precautions, but I have still taken chances that werent necessary... but we still have to live our lives or we will go fuckin nuts and that can potentially be just as deadly as this virus.
Quote: @JimmyinSD said:
@ mblack said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
@ Akvike said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
@ RS Express said:
sounds pretty much spot on. kids will get it and for the vast majority they will go home and in a short time be over it without ever needing hospitalization. i would say its stating the obvious if you look at the numbers.
except for the fact they might infect parents grandparents etc who won't possibly get just the sniffles---other than that all good.
They might, or they might not. Perhaps those high risk situations should be mitigated if possible and or be prepared for in advance. If families want to huddle in fear, allow them to distance learn, most states allow for home schooling of their children. ( typically mocked by a segment of our society that is now pretty vocally in favor of its use)
And no not all good, but neither is what was tried this spring, if it didn't spread like wildfire through Walmart's and Menards I am sure we can come up with solutions to get our kids educated in an environment conducive to better learning than their kitchen table or bedroom without blowing up the covid numbers.
You said: They might, or they might not.
My reply:
- Are you really serious? The mere fact that you use the word might is mind boggling to say the least
You said: Perhaps those high risk situations should be mitigated if possible and or be prepared for in advance. If families want to huddle in fear, allow them to distance learn, most states allow for home schooling of their children. ( typically mocked by a segment of our society that is now pretty vocally in favor of its use)
My reply:
- At the red. When would we have prepared in advance? Aren't you one of the same folks that questioned anything and every thing others presented as preventive measures? Its very noble now to sit hear and say we should be prepared in advance? The question is when and how? Also you missed the actual point again.
- We are NOT prepared so this point of yours is useless and we can't base anything on it. As simple as that.
- We are not prepared and based on what we know now we cant advocate for opening schools.
You Said: And no not all good, but neither is what was tried this spring, if it didn't spread like wildfire through Walmart's and Menards I am sure we can come up with solutions to get our kids educated in an environment conducive to better learning than their kitchen table or bedroom without blowing up the covid numbers.
My Reply:
- It did spread like wildfire when people gathered. Do you want Wal-mart numbers before you accept? What part of large gatherings are a breathing ground for the virus don't you understand?
- When you say "neither is what we tried this spring" I beg to differ.
Some of you were busy tearing down the efforts during the spring. If we were all onboard it may have worked so please dont pretend like we were all onboard with the options advanced by the experts. We decided to trust politicians because of what they had ... "gut feel".
- When you say you are sure we can come up with solutions who is we? I am hoping its not the same people who have been making suggestions and others have been bashing those suggestions. Again, if we dont have any suggestions we cant be for school re-opening. Until those solutions are in place no right thinking person would advocate for schools or businesses to open unless they have a hidden agenda as it more often is with a few on this board.
I was one of the few back in Jan/ Feb. telling people to take this serious, on this board and others, when people were being cavalier I was raising alarms, so dont try and box me in with what you think you remember. I have been trying to keep people from jumping the shark on both sides of this issue. Its not just those that are under reacting to the situation that need their facts checked, those that are constantly sending up false smoke are doing just as much damage to controlling this issue because there are some many that are tired of hearing wolf cried and looking around and only seeing a poodle.
I am not going to get into every single talking point on every single thing, but for Christs sake, there is no reason that schools in areas that arent showing upswings and such cant be looking to get back to some sort of new norm operations. whats good in your back yard may not work in mine, and Missouri isnt having near the issue that is being blasted about on the national news so if their gov and health dept say they are ready to look to get back into classrooms, then so be it. We cant live in constant fear.
Also, for those getting pissy with me on this, how many of you have 100% stuck to social distancing guidelines in your own lives? you havent attended any grad parties in the last months, church or other social gatherings? I know I have taken fair precautions, but I have still taken chances that werent necessary... but we still have to live our lives or we will go fuckin nuts and that can potentially be just as deadly as this virus. I don't think the discussion ever was about closing schools where it was safe, the discussion was forcing everyone to open schools when it isn't safe. Perhaps your positions about herd immunity, false data causing over counting and masks not being effective camouflaged your progressive stance on the topic.
By the way you never answered my question about how your profession deals with HMD, Hoof and Mouth disease another airborne transmitted virus, that's why I have a disconnect with your previous stands on the topic.
Quote: @BigAl99 said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
@ mblack said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
@ Akvike said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
@ RS Express said:
sounds pretty much spot on. kids will get it and for the vast majority they will go home and in a short time be over it without ever needing hospitalization. i would say its stating the obvious if you look at the numbers.
except for the fact they might infect parents grandparents etc who won't possibly get just the sniffles---other than that all good.
They might, or they might not. Perhaps those high risk situations should be mitigated if possible and or be prepared for in advance. If families want to huddle in fear, allow them to distance learn, most states allow for home schooling of their children. ( typically mocked by a segment of our society that is now pretty vocally in favor of its use)
And no not all good, but neither is what was tried this spring, if it didn't spread like wildfire through Walmart's and Menards I am sure we can come up with solutions to get our kids educated in an environment conducive to better learning than their kitchen table or bedroom without blowing up the covid numbers.
You said: They might, or they might not.
My reply:
- Are you really serious? The mere fact that you use the word might is mind boggling to say the least
You said: Perhaps those high risk situations should be mitigated if possible and or be prepared for in advance. If families want to huddle in fear, allow them to distance learn, most states allow for home schooling of their children. ( typically mocked by a segment of our society that is now pretty vocally in favor of its use)
My reply:
- At the red. When would we have prepared in advance? Aren't you one of the same folks that questioned anything and every thing others presented as preventive measures? Its very noble now to sit hear and say we should be prepared in advance? The question is when and how? Also you missed the actual point again.
- We are NOT prepared so this point of yours is useless and we can't base anything on it. As simple as that.
- We are not prepared and based on what we know now we cant advocate for opening schools.
You Said: And no not all good, but neither is what was tried this spring, if it didn't spread like wildfire through Walmart's and Menards I am sure we can come up with solutions to get our kids educated in an environment conducive to better learning than their kitchen table or bedroom without blowing up the covid numbers.
My Reply:
- It did spread like wildfire when people gathered. Do you want Wal-mart numbers before you accept? What part of large gatherings are a breathing ground for the virus don't you understand?
- When you say "neither is what we tried this spring" I beg to differ.
Some of you were busy tearing down the efforts during the spring. If we were all onboard it may have worked so please dont pretend like we were all onboard with the options advanced by the experts. We decided to trust politicians because of what they had ... "gut feel".
- When you say you are sure we can come up with solutions who is we? I am hoping its not the same people who have been making suggestions and others have been bashing those suggestions. Again, if we dont have any suggestions we cant be for school re-opening. Until those solutions are in place no right thinking person would advocate for schools or businesses to open unless they have a hidden agenda as it more often is with a few on this board.
I was one of the few back in Jan/ Feb. telling people to take this serious, on this board and others, when people were being cavalier I was raising alarms, so dont try and box me in with what you think you remember. I have been trying to keep people from jumping the shark on both sides of this issue. Its not just those that are under reacting to the situation that need their facts checked, those that are constantly sending up false smoke are doing just as much damage to controlling this issue because there are some many that are tired of hearing wolf cried and looking around and only seeing a poodle.
I am not going to get into every single talking point on every single thing, but for Christs sake, there is no reason that schools in areas that arent showing upswings and such cant be looking to get back to some sort of new norm operations. whats good in your back yard may not work in mine, and Missouri isnt having near the issue that is being blasted about on the national news so if their gov and health dept say they are ready to look to get back into classrooms, then so be it. We cant live in constant fear.
Also, for those getting pissy with me on this, how many of you have 100% stuck to social distancing guidelines in your own lives? you havent attended any grad parties in the last months, church or other social gatherings? I know I have taken fair precautions, but I have still taken chances that werent necessary... but we still have to live our lives or we will go fuckin nuts and that can potentially be just as deadly as this virus. I don't think the discussion ever was about closing schools where it was safe, the discussion was forcing everyone to open schools when it isn't safe. Perhaps your positions about herd immunity, false data causing over counting and masks not being effective camouflaged your progressive stance on the topic.
By the way you never answered my question about how your profession deals with HMD, Hoof and Mouth disease another airborne transmitted virus, that's why I have a disconnect with your previous stands on the topic.
the discussion was about missouri, where there is not currently an upward trend in covid and their governors remarks about reopening schools. his remarks wouldnt mean shit for areas outside of his control so not sure why areas that are currently flaring would even be a talking point.
as far as the measures being taken, I question the notion of a lot of it being overly effective in preventing the spread of the virus, a position that has been echoed by many well renowned medical sources.
I work in the water industry, we dont actively see much for hoof and mouth. however, in the livestock industry, the typical way to handle a hoof and mouth outbreak would be to kill all the animals in the vicinity and then sterilize the area before introducing a few new animals to test for remaining viral activity. you arent suggesting that we follow such an approach with covid are you? I dont think I could support that approach.
just heard that Minny is going all masks outside of private residences starting saturday.
Quote: @JimmyinSD said:
@ BigAl99 said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
@ mblack said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
@ Akvike said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
sounds pretty much spot on. kids will get it and for the vast majority they will go home and in a short time be over it without ever needing hospitalization. i would say its stating the obvious if you look at the numbers.
except for the fact they might infect parents grandparents etc who won't possibly get just the sniffles---other than that all good.
I was one of the few back in Jan/ Feb. telling people to take this serious, on this board and others, when people were being cavalier I was raising alarms, so dont try and box me in with what you think you remember. I have been trying to keep people from jumping the shark on both sides of this issue. Its not just those that are under reacting to the situation that need their facts checked, those that are constantly sending up false smoke are doing just as much damage to controlling this issue because there are some many that are tired of hearing wolf cried and looking around and only seeing a poodle.
I am not going to get into every single talking point on every single thing, but for Christs sake, there is no reason that schools in areas that arent showing upswings and such cant be looking to get back to some sort of new norm operations. whats good in your back yard may not work in mine, and Missouri isnt having near the issue that is being blasted about on the national news so if their gov and health dept say they are ready to look to get back into classrooms, then so be it. We cant live in constant fear.
Also, for those getting pissy with me on this, how many of you have 100% stuck to social distancing guidelines in your own lives? you havent attended any grad parties in the last months, church or other social gatherings? I know I have taken fair precautions, but I have still taken chances that werent necessary... but we still have to live our lives or we will go fuckin nuts and that can potentially be just as deadly as this virus. I don't think the discussion ever was about closing schools where it was safe, the discussion was forcing everyone to open schools when it isn't safe. Perhaps your positions about herd immunity, false data causing over counting and masks not being effective camouflaged your progressive stance on the topic.
By the way you never answered my question about how your profession deals with HMD, Hoof and Mouth disease another airborne transmitted virus, that's why I have a disconnect with your previous stands on the topic.
the discussion was about missouri, where there is not currently an upward trend in covid and their governors remarks about reopening schools. his remarks wouldnt mean shit for areas outside of his control so not sure why areas that are currently flaring would even be a talking point.
as far as the measures being taken, I question the notion of a lot of it being overly effective in preventing the spread of the virus, a position that has been echoed by many well renowned medical sources.
I work in the water industry, we dont actively see much for hoof and mouth. however, in the livestock industry, the typical way to handle a hoof and mouth outbreak would be to kill all the animals in the vicinity and then sterilize the area before introducing a few new animals to test for remaining viral activity. you arent suggesting that we follow such an approach with covid are you? I dont think I could support that approach.
First off Missouri is not trending down in cases, it the lowest in the midwest but I have it at a 16% increase over the last seven days.
https://www.uscovidtrends.com/midwest.html#missouri
No not suggesting we intentionally kill people off, but history may Judge, that is exactly what we have done in an attempt to keep the US economy going. Sin of omission rather than commission, for what I have done and also left undone.
Quote: @BigAl99 said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
@ BigAl99 said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
@ mblack said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
@ Akvike said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
sounds pretty much spot on. kids will get it and for the vast majority they will go home and in a short time be over it without ever needing hospitalization. i would say its stating the obvious if you look at the numbers.
except for the fact they might infect parents grandparents etc who won't possibly get just the sniffles---other than that all good.
I was one of the few back in Jan/ Feb. telling people to take this serious, on this board and others, when people were being cavalier I was raising alarms, so dont try and box me in with what you think you remember. I have been trying to keep people from jumping the shark on both sides of this issue. Its not just those that are under reacting to the situation that need their facts checked, those that are constantly sending up false smoke are doing just as much damage to controlling this issue because there are some many that are tired of hearing wolf cried and looking around and only seeing a poodle.
I am not going to get into every single talking point on every single thing, but for Christs sake, there is no reason that schools in areas that arent showing upswings and such cant be looking to get back to some sort of new norm operations. whats good in your back yard may not work in mine, and Missouri isnt having near the issue that is being blasted about on the national news so if their gov and health dept say they are ready to look to get back into classrooms, then so be it. We cant live in constant fear.
Also, for those getting pissy with me on this, how many of you have 100% stuck to social distancing guidelines in your own lives? you havent attended any grad parties in the last months, church or other social gatherings? I know I have taken fair precautions, but I have still taken chances that werent necessary... but we still have to live our lives or we will go fuckin nuts and that can potentially be just as deadly as this virus. I don't think the discussion ever was about closing schools where it was safe, the discussion was forcing everyone to open schools when it isn't safe. Perhaps your positions about herd immunity, false data causing over counting and masks not being effective camouflaged your progressive stance on the topic.
By the way you never answered my question about how your profession deals with HMD, Hoof and Mouth disease another airborne transmitted virus, that's why I have a disconnect with your previous stands on the topic.
the discussion was about missouri, where there is not currently an upward trend in covid and their governors remarks about reopening schools. his remarks wouldnt mean shit for areas outside of his control so not sure why areas that are currently flaring would even be a talking point.
as far as the measures being taken, I question the notion of a lot of it being overly effective in preventing the spread of the virus, a position that has been echoed by many well renowned medical sources.
I work in the water industry, we dont actively see much for hoof and mouth. however, in the livestock industry, the typical way to handle a hoof and mouth outbreak would be to kill all the animals in the vicinity and then sterilize the area before introducing a few new animals to test for remaining viral activity. you arent suggesting that we follow such an approach with covid are you? I dont think I could support that approach.
First off Missouri is not trending down in cases, it the lowest in the midwest but I have it at a 16% increase over the last seven days.
https://www.uscovidtrends.com/midwest.html#missouri
No not suggesting we intentionally kill people off, but history may Judge, that is exactly what we have done in an attempt to keep the US economy going. Sin of omission rather than commission, for what I have done and also left undone.
sorry for the incorrect data, I last looked on Monday when CBS reported Missouri as one of 14 states that had a 2 week downward trend in all statistical reporting categories (cases, hospitalizations, and deaths)
we killed the economy when we took the measures we did in march/april. its trying to restart, but the damage has been done in many cases. I think it was Sticky that said back then that we wont know the real damage to economy until all the false money from the govt floats through and settles, once its back to businesses having to survive on customers and customers having to live on their own income, not unemployment that payed more than their regular jobs. I agree, I dont think we have seen the real economic stranglehold that this virus has caused yet.
edit: I heard some staggering numbers yesterday from Andrew Zimmern about restaurants being like 5% of Minnesotas economy and that they are the hardest hit sector of this mess, IIRC he said something like up to 40% of all restaurants are predicted to fail coming out of this... (of course IIRC the natural survival rate of restaurants is pretty abysmal to begin with so it might have been overstating it a bit to say its all covid related) but that 5% of Minnys economy going through a restaurant is a staggering number if true.
Quote: @JimmyinSD said:
@ BigAl99 said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
@ BigAl99 said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
@ mblack said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
@ Akvike said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
sounds pretty much spot on. kids will get it and for the vast majority they will go home and in a short time be over it without ever needing hospitalization. i would say its stating the obvious if you look at the numbers.
except for the fact they might infect parents grandparents etc who won't possibly get just the sniffles---other than that all good.
I was one of the few back in Jan/ Feb. telling people to take this serious, on this board and others, when people were being cavalier I was raising alarms, so dont try and box me in with what you think you remember. I have been trying to keep people from jumping the shark on both sides of this issue. Its not just those that are under reacting to the situation that need their facts checked, those that are constantly sending up false smoke are doing just as much damage to controlling this issue because there are some many that are tired of hearing wolf cried and looking around and only seeing a poodle.
I am not going to get into every single talking point on every single thing, but for Christs sake, there is no reason that schools in areas that arent showing upswings and such cant be looking to get back to some sort of new norm operations. whats good in your back yard may not work in mine, and Missouri isnt having near the issue that is being blasted about on the national news so if their gov and health dept say they are ready to look to get back into classrooms, then so be it. We cant live in constant fear.
Also, for those getting pissy with me on this, how many of you have 100% stuck to social distancing guidelines in your own lives? you havent attended any grad parties in the last months, church or other social gatherings? I know I have taken fair precautions, but I have still taken chances that werent necessary... but we still have to live our lives or we will go fuckin nuts and that can potentially be just as deadly as this virus. I don't think the discussion ever was about closing schools where it was safe, the discussion was forcing everyone to open schools when it isn't safe. Perhaps your positions about herd immunity, false data causing over counting and masks not being effective camouflaged your progressive stance on the topic.
By the way you never answered my question about how your profession deals with HMD, Hoof and Mouth disease another airborne transmitted virus, that's why I have a disconnect with your previous stands on the topic.
the discussion was about missouri, where there is not currently an upward trend in covid and their governors remarks about reopening schools. his remarks wouldnt mean shit for areas outside of his control so not sure why areas that are currently flaring would even be a talking point.
as far as the measures being taken, I question the notion of a lot of it being overly effective in preventing the spread of the virus, a position that has been echoed by many well renowned medical sources.
I work in the water industry, we dont actively see much for hoof and mouth. however, in the livestock industry, the typical way to handle a hoof and mouth outbreak would be to kill all the animals in the vicinity and then sterilize the area before introducing a few new animals to test for remaining viral activity. you arent suggesting that we follow such an approach with covid are you? I dont think I could support that approach.
First off Missouri is not trending down in cases, it the lowest in the midwest but I have it at a 16% increase over the last seven days.
https://www.uscovidtrends.com/midwest.html#missouri
No not suggesting we intentionally kill people off, but history may Judge, that is exactly what we have done in an attempt to keep the US economy going. Sin of omission rather than commission, for what I have done and also left undone.
sorry for the incorrect data, I last looked on Monday when CBS reported Missouri as one of 14 states that had a 2 week downward trend in all statistical reporting categories (cases, hospitalizations, and deaths)
we killed the economy when we took the measures we did in march/april. its trying to restart, but the damage has been done in many cases. I think it was Sticky that said back then that we wont know the real damage to economy until all the false money from the govt floats through and settles, once its back to businesses having to survive on customers and customers having to live on their own income, not unemployment that payed more than their regular jobs. I agree, I dont think we have seen the real economic stranglehold that this virus has caused yet.
Yeah the economic model we have built is too fragile in a situation like this, lean, no value in excess capacity, capability or inventory, no margin of error. Till people get over the idea that you only have two choices, capitalism and socialism, we will be stuck here. One thing I am optimistic is we will rethink how this economy is setup. Without getting into a concentration of wealth discussion, it seems we have got a lot of our capital sitting in the hands and control of far fewer than need it or earn it. Kinda a vehicle with a big motor with crappy brakes, on a twisty track.
If you take the time to look at how other economies have handled this, ones with social infrastructure, they are in much better shape and will be leading us for awhile.
Quote: @JimmyinSD said:
just heard that Minny is going all masks outside of private residences starting saturday.
I made that call a week ago...Yay me.
WI considering it too.
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