Quote: @JimmyinSD said:
@ BigAl99 said:
Lock down and stop the spread, once things are controlled, then proceed with opening up as biology allows. That's the name of the game, that's why every other country is ahead of us on this thing, we didn't do that. School is a building an education is totally different thing, what so hard about that concept, it's not complex. I'm not an educator, but I will listen to what they have to say. You act like sending them to school then, after a few weeks change things up is going to be better than other alternatives. Teaching pod's where students are isolated and the teachers go to them is one solution. You think in a binary box, where do you get me advocating doing nothing, lock downs, where breakouts were occurring, would have gotten things in running sooner than the status quo. Another big change I would advocate is getting people concerned about the public welfare vs showing up fully armed grandstanding about oppression when they are asked to do the right thing. Love how all the 2nd amendment folk are keeping their thumbs warm while the Fed secret police are oppressing 1 st amendment, totally ignorant to the fact they will be next.
I listened to educators call into a radio talk show talking for hours a few weeks ago about all the reasons teaching pods wont work, just doesnt sound viable according to the professionals that took the opportunity to share their views.
The rest of your response really has nothing to do with getting kids educations and will only cause this thread to derail or turn political so another time maybe.
Radio call in experts now that's a real source of authority, but suppose if that's the best you got. Best of luck, you got this, "it's gonna get worse before it get better", have that from a real expert, an expert like no one has ever seen before.
What is your point, by the way, educate kids or get parents back to work?
^ I love that guy and his TED talk. <3
Quote: @BigAl99 said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
@ BigAl99 said:
Lock down and stop the spread, once things are controlled, then proceed with opening up as biology allows. That's the name of the game, that's why every other country is ahead of us on this thing, we didn't do that. School is a building an education is totally different thing, what so hard about that concept, it's not complex. I'm not an educator, but I will listen to what they have to say. You act like sending them to school then, after a few weeks change things up is going to be better than other alternatives. Teaching pod's where students are isolated and the teachers go to them is one solution. You think in a binary box, where do you get me advocating doing nothing, lock downs, where breakouts were occurring, would have gotten things in running sooner than the status quo. Another big change I would advocate is getting people concerned about the public welfare vs showing up fully armed grandstanding about oppression when they are asked to do the right thing. Love how all the 2nd amendment folk are keeping their thumbs warm while the Fed secret police are oppressing 1 st amendment, totally ignorant to the fact they will be next.
I listened to educators call into a radio talk show talking for hours a few weeks ago about all the reasons teaching pods wont work, just doesnt sound viable according to the professionals that took the opportunity to share their views.
The rest of your response really has nothing to do with getting kids educations and will only cause this thread to derail or turn political so another time maybe.
Radio call in experts now that's a real source of autority, but suppose if that's the best you got. Best of luck, you got this, "it's gonna get worse before it get better", have that from a real expert, an expert like no one has ever seen before.
What is your point, by the way, educate kids or get parents back to work?
Why cant it be both, bet kids back in a learning environment and the parents back to work, they kind of go hand in hand for a lot of families? And what difference does it make that these teachers called in to a radio show in their opinions validity? Does there education and profession not make them qualified to talk on the merits and pitfalls of the various education possibilities?
Quote: @JimmyinSD said:
@ BigAl99 said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
@ BigAl99 said:
Lock down and stop the spread, once things are controlled, then proceed with opening up as biology allows. That's the name of the game, that's why every other country is ahead of us on this thing, we didn't do that. School is a building an education is totally different thing, what so hard about that concept, it's not complex. I'm not an educator, but I will listen to what they have to say. You act like sending them to school then, after a few weeks change things up is going to be better than other alternatives. Teaching pod's where students are isolated and the teachers go to them is one solution. You think in a binary box, where do you get me advocating doing nothing, lock downs, where breakouts were occurring, would have gotten things in running sooner than the status quo. Another big change I would advocate is getting people concerned about the public welfare vs showing up fully armed grandstanding about oppression when they are asked to do the right thing. Love how all the 2nd amendment folk are keeping their thumbs warm while the Fed secret police are oppressing 1 st amendment, totally ignorant to the fact they will be next.
I listened to educators call into a radio talk show talking for hours a few weeks ago about all the reasons teaching pods wont work, just doesnt sound viable according to the professionals that took the opportunity to share their views.
The rest of your response really has nothing to do with getting kids educations and will only cause this thread to derail or turn political so another time maybe.
Radio call in experts now that's a real source of autority, but suppose if that's the best you got. Best of luck, you got this, "it's gonna get worse before it get better", have that from a real expert, an expert like no one has ever seen before.
What is your point, by the way, educate kids or get parents back to work?
Why cant it be both, bet kids back in a learning environment and the parents back to work, they kind of go hand in hand for a lot of families? And what difference does it make that these teachers called in to a radio show in their opinions validity? Does there education and profession not make them qualified to talk on the merits and pitfalls of the various education possibilities?
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/flo...r-n1234382
Quote: @Akvike said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
@ RS Express said:
sounds pretty much spot on. kids will get it and for the vast majority they will go home and in a short time be over it without ever needing hospitalization. i would say its stating the obvious if you look at the numbers.
except for the fact they might infect parents grandparents etc who won't possibly get just the sniffles---other than that all good.
They might, or they might not. Perhaps those high risk situations should be mitigated if possible and or be prepared for in advance. If families want to huddle in fear, allow them to distance learn, most states allow for home schooling of their children. ( typically mocked by a segment of our society that is now pretty vocally in favor of its use)
And no not all good, but neither is what was tried this spring, if it didn't spread like wildfire through Walmart's and Menards I am sure we can come up with solutions to get our kids educated in an environment conducive to better learning than their kitchen table or bedroom without blowing up the covid numbers.
Quote: @JimmyinSD said:
@ Akvike said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
@ RS Express said:
sounds pretty much spot on. kids will get it and for the vast majority they will go home and in a short time be over it without ever needing hospitalization. i would say its stating the obvious if you look at the numbers.
except for the fact they might infect parents grandparents etc who won't possibly get just the sniffles---other than that all good.
They might, or they might not. Perhaps those high risk situations should be mitigated if possible and or be prepared for in advance. If families want to huddle in fear, allow them to distance learn, most states allow for home schooling of their children. ( typically mocked by a segment of our society that is now pretty vocally in favor of its use)
And no not all good, but neither is what was tried this spring, if it didn't spread like wildfire through Walmart's and Menards I am sure we can come up with solutions to get our kids educated in an environment conducive to better learning than their kitchen table or bedroom without blowing up the covid numbers.
You said: They might, or they might not.
My reply:
- Are you really serious? The mere fact that you use the word might is mind boggling to say the least
You said: Perhaps those high risk situations should be mitigated if possible and or be prepared for in advance. If families want to huddle in fear, allow them to distance learn, most states allow for home schooling of their children. ( typically mocked by a segment of our society that is now pretty vocally in favor of its use)
My reply:
- At the red. When would we have prepared in advance? Aren't you one of the same folks that questioned anything and every thing others presented as preventive measures? Its very noble now to sit hear and say we should be prepared in advance? The question is when and how? Also you missed the actual point again.
- We are NOT prepared so this point of yours is useless and we can't base anything on it. As simple as that.
- We are not prepared and based on what we know now we cant advocate for opening schools.
You Said: And no not all good, but neither is what was tried this spring, if it didn't spread like wildfire through Walmart's and Menards I am sure we can come up with solutions to get our kids educated in an environment conducive to better learning than their kitchen table or bedroom without blowing up the covid numbers.
My Reply:
- It did spread like wildfire when people gathered. Do you want Wal-mart numbers before you accept? What part of large gatherings are a breathing ground for the virus don't you understand?
- When you say "neither is what we tried this spring" I beg to differ.
Some of you were busy tearing down the efforts during the spring. If we were all onboard it may have worked so please dont pretend like we were all onboard with the options advanced by the experts. We decided to trust politicians because of what they had ... "gut feel".
- When you say you are sure we can come up with solutions who is we? I am hoping its not the same people who have been making suggestions and others have been bashing those suggestions. Again, if we dont have any suggestions we cant be for school re-opening. Until those solutions are in place no right thinking person would advocate for schools or businesses to open unless they have a hidden agenda as it more often is with a few on this board.
mblack----that's the point it is spreading like wildfire because leadership wouldn't make the really hard calls early on and now wants to claim having a handle on it while downplaying and discrediting their own health experts
Quote: @StickyBun said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
@ BigAl99 said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
@ BigAl99 said:
Lock down and stop the spread, once things are controlled, then proceed with opening up as biology allows. That's the name of the game, that's why every other country is ahead of us on this thing, we didn't do that. School is a building an education is totally different thing, what so hard about that concept, it's not complex. I'm not an educator, but I will listen to what they have to say. You act like sending them to school then, after a few weeks change things up is going to be better than other alternatives. Teaching pod's where students are isolated and the teachers go to them is one solution. You think in a binary box, where do you get me advocating doing nothing, lock downs, where breakouts were occurring, would have gotten things in running sooner than the status quo. Another big change I would advocate is getting people concerned about the public welfare vs showing up fully armed grandstanding about oppression when they are asked to do the right thing. Love how all the 2nd amendment folk are keeping their thumbs warm while the Fed secret police are oppressing 1 st amendment, totally ignorant to the fact they will be next.
I listened to educators call into a radio talk show talking for hours a few weeks ago about all the reasons teaching pods wont work, just doesnt sound viable according to the professionals that took the opportunity to share their views.
The rest of your response really has nothing to do with getting kids educations and will only cause this thread to derail or turn political so another time maybe.
Radio call in experts now that's a real source of autority, but suppose if that's the best you got. Best of luck, you got this, "it's gonna get worse before it get better", have that from a real expert, an expert like no one has ever seen before.
What is your point, by the way, educate kids or get parents back to work?
Why cant it be both, bet kids back in a learning environment and the parents back to work, they kind of go hand in hand for a lot of families? And what difference does it make that these teachers called in to a radio show in their opinions validity? Does there education and profession not make them qualified to talk on the merits and pitfalls of the various education possibilities?
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/flo...r-n1234382
not surprising considering the location and the situation, but my comments were about the Missouri governors comments and their specific situation ( and other states like theirs) currently there are about 15 states that are not showing any sort of increase in new cases, deaths, hospitalizations, etc.. those states should be looking to get their kids back into a safe/modified learning environment, and be getting people back to work where its possible to do so without creating obvious crowding issues.
just like I advocated last winter, not every state/region will need to take the same measures to control the spread, not every state/region needs to take the same approach to setting a new norm, which is why I put more of emphasis on calling for local responses to outbreaks than waiting for the feds to act.
Quote: @JimmyinSD said:
@ StickyBun said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
@ BigAl99 said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
@ BigAl99 said:
Lock down and stop the spread, once things are controlled, then proceed with opening up as biology allows. That's the name of the game, that's why every other country is ahead of us on this thing, we didn't do that. School is a building an education is totally different thing, what so hard about that concept, it's not complex. I'm not an educator, but I will listen to what they have to say. You act like sending them to school then, after a few weeks change things up is going to be better than other alternatives. Teaching pod's where students are isolated and the teachers go to them is one solution. You think in a binary box, where do you get me advocating doing nothing, lock downs, where breakouts were occurring, would have gotten things in running sooner than the status quo. Another big change I would advocate is getting people concerned about the public welfare vs showing up fully armed grandstanding about oppression when they are asked to do the right thing. Love how all the 2nd amendment folk are keeping their thumbs warm while the Fed secret police are oppressing 1 st amendment, totally ignorant to the fact they will be next.
I listened to educators call into a radio talk show talking for hours a few weeks ago about all the reasons teaching pods wont work, just doesnt sound viable according to the professionals that took the opportunity to share their views.
The rest of your response really has nothing to do with getting kids educations and will only cause this thread to derail or turn political so another time maybe.
Radio call in experts now that's a real source of autority, but suppose if that's the best you got. Best of luck, you got this, "it's gonna get worse before it get better", have that from a real expert, an expert like no one has ever seen before.
What is your point, by the way, educate kids or get parents back to work?
Why cant it be both, bet kids back in a learning environment and the parents back to work, they kind of go hand in hand for a lot of families? And what difference does it make that these teachers called in to a radio show in their opinions validity? Does there education and profession not make them qualified to talk on the merits and pitfalls of the various education possibilities?
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/flo...r-n1234382
not surprising considering the location and the situation, but my comments were about the Missouri governors comments and their specific situation ( and other states like theirs) currently there are about 15 states that are not showing any sort of increase in new cases, deaths, hospitalizations, etc.. those states should be looking to get their kids back into a safe/modified learning environment, and be getting people back to work where its possible to do so without creating obvious crowding issues.
just like I advocated last winter, not every state/region will need to take the same measures to control the spread, not every state/region needs to take the same approach to setting a new norm, which is why I put more of emphasis on calling for local responses to outbreaks than waiting for the feds to act.
Ease the restrictions and this is what happens:
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-healt...SKCN24L2BE
I don't know what the answer is because shutting it all down is devastating to the economy. But putting kids back to school and colleges is just a recipe for massive spreading of the infection. And Missouri isn't immune to it either, read below:
https://www.stltoday.com/news/local/metr...b6f19.html
The Missouri governor has also 'clarified' his earlier statements:
https://abc17news.com/news/coronavirus/2...ronavirus/
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