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OT: Coronavirus
Quote: @purplefaithful said:
I wish I lived in a world where this would surprise me...

Then again, why should it be surprising? Hell, we still had a sizable % of Americans still preaching isolationism post Pearl Harbor. We're just different - or right and wrong  :p

Very small % of Britains are wearing masks right now and that country got slammed with Covid. Where as if you look at the mask data in Spain and Italy ? The #'s are in stark contrast. Part of the problem in Britain is lack of a cohesive message, rules and Boris and other public officials didnt start wearing a mask publicly till very recent. 

Sound familiar???
Italy got slammed so hard to begin with makes it very likely that they just dont have as many people left to contract the virus and again,  are they testing everybody or just those showing symptoms?  I've heard as many as 60 to 80% of all covid positive cases dont show any symptoms and would go undetected in places that dont blanket test like the US is doing.  Previous rates of of infection along with testing policies can paint some really twisted statistical graphs.


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When did the world determine you have immunity from Covid after getting it? This notion of herd immunity has neither been proven (or been disproved). 

I forget the source, I read today 1/2 of Covid cases in the US now from asymptomatic or pre-symptomatic people 
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Quote: @purplefaithful said:
When did the world determine you have immunity from Covid after getting it? This notion of herd immunity has neither been proven (or been disproved). 

I forget the source, I read today 1/2 of Covid cases in the US now from asymptomatic or pre-symptomatic people 
I heard a CDC doc talking about immunity last week,  he was speaking like it does exist but the question is for how long.

As far as asymptomatic or presymptomatic that's not really the discussion when we are talking about numbers in countries compared to ours,  the point is the testing procedures and how they can paint a false picture.
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I too have tried to take a little comfort in the fact that only 1% of folks who get this thing will die. But this is a reality check...
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How can a disease with 1% mortality shut down the US?
by Franklin Veaux
There are two problems with this question.
  1. It neglects the law of large numbers; and
  2. It assumes that one of two things happen: you die or you’re 100% fine.
The US has a population of 328,200,000. If one percent of the population dies, that’s 3,282,000 people dead.
Three million people dead would monkey wrench the economy no matter what. That more than doubles the number of annual deaths all at once.
The second bit is people keep talking about deaths. Deaths, deaths, deaths. Only one percent die! Just one percent! One is a small number! No big deal, right?
What about the people who survive?
For every one person who dies:
  • 19 more require hospitalization.
  • 18 of those will have permanent heart damage for the rest of their lives.
  • 10 will have permanent lung damage.
  • 3 will have strokes.
  • 2 will have neurological damage that leads to chronic weakness and loss of coordination.
  • 2 will have neurological damage that leads to loss of cognitive function.
So now all of a sudden, that “but it’s only 1% fatal!” becomes:
  • 3,282,000 people dead.
  • 62,358,000 hospitalized.
  • 59,076,000 people with permanent heart damage.
  • 32,820,000 people with permanent lung damage.
  • 9,846,000 people with strokes.
  • 6,564,000 people with muscle weakness.
  • 6,564,000 people with loss of cognitive function.
That's the thing that the folks who keep going on about “only 1% dead, what’s the big deal?” don’t get.
The choice is not “ruin the economy to save 1%.” If we reopen the economy, it will be destroyed anyway. The US economy cannot survive everyone getting COVID-19. 
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That's the thing that the folks who keep going on about “only 1% dead, what’s the big deal?” don’t get.
In my 30 years as a professional Market Researcher, I learned the #1, most important issue is asking the right question...So many of our biz initiatives failed to do just that. 
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Why in God's name would anyone think this is a hoax? A month ago, my sister in law who lives in TX ridiculed people who thought this was real. Haven't spoken to her since, but just texted her mom and she confirmed that both she and her husband still think it's a hoax, refuse to wear masks and refuse to put them on their 8 kids. 

https://www.newsweek.com/person-their-30s-dies-after-attending-covid-party-thought-it-was-hoax-health-officials-1517172
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Quote: @MaroonBells said:
Why in God's name would anyone think this is a hoax? A month ago, my sister in law who lives in TX ridiculed people who thought this was real. Haven't spoken to her since, but just texted her mom and she confirmed that both she and her husband still think it's a hoax, refuse to wear masks and refuse to put them on their 8 kids. 

https://www.newsweek.com/person-their-30s-dies-after-attending-covid-party-thought-it-was-hoax-health-officials-1517172

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Florida shattered the national record Sunday for the largest single-day increase in positive coronavirus cases in any state since the beginning of the pandemic, adding more than 15,000 cases as its daily average death toll continued to also rise.
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Closer to my home in MN...This is a big deal for families needing these services:

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More than 300 adult day centers that provide services for Minnesotans with disabilities and mental illnesses will be allowed to reopen Monday, filling a major gap in the state’s social safety net.The Minnesota Department of Human Services, the state agency that oversees disability services, issued new guidance allowing thousands of adults who live in group homes and other residential care facilities to attend day centers across the state. They had been locked out of the centers since March under restrictions meant to prevent the spread of COVID-19, the deadly respiratory disease caused by the coronavirus.
Human Services Commissioner Jodi Harpstead said the decision was driven by encouraging signs that infection-control protocols are working in group homes and that significantly fewer residents with disabilities are catching the virus. The reopening is also a response to growing concerns over the harm caused by months of grinding isolation and loneliness among Minnesota’s most vulnerable residents. Since the pandemic began, many adults with disabilities have been spending their days confined to their homes and cut off from a place to go during the day for social interaction.
On Friday, the state Department of Health cited “the unintended consequences of prolonged physical separation and isolation” as a reason for easing the lockdown on nursing homes and other senior care facilities, under new guidelines. For the first time since mid-March, designated family members and outside caregivers will be allowed to make scheduled visits inside senior homes to monitor their loved ones’ care and help alleviate their isolation.
“This felt like exactly the right moment,” Harpstead said in an interview Sunday, soon after notifying disability providers of the reopening. “It looks as if there is a pretty good experience in recent weeks in group homes. We hope that continues in that direction and holds firm.”
Across the state, adult day center programs serve about 6,000 Minnesotans with a wide range of disabilities, including autism spectrum disorder, cerebral palsy and traumatic brain injuries. In many small towns and rural areas, they are hubs of activity: They shuttle people to and from work and activities in the community, and provide a destination during the day for those with severe disabilities who might otherwise be isolated at home. The state partially reopened the centers on May 30 for people who live in their own homes or with family members; however, as a safety precaution, people who live in four-bedroom group homes or other congregate care settings were not allowed to return.
The restrictions have taken a huge financial toll on nonprofit disability service providers across the state, which have endured staggering losses since the pandemic began. Dozens of centers have been forced to close because of mounting debts, and thousands of employees at these centers have been laid off or furloughed over the past two months.

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Quote: @purplefaithful said:
Florida shattered the national record Sunday for the largest single-day increase in positive coronavirus cases in any state since the beginning of the pandemic, adding more than 15,000 cases as its daily average death toll continued to also rise.
Lots of ocean, lots of tourists from NYC, lots of dumb kids partying like crazy with a Governor who continues to downplay the virus. These 18-25 year olds are asymptomatic and spreading it like wildfire. 
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