Quote: @JimmyinSD said:
@ IDVikingfan said:
MBlack, I need to pick a side? I have no vested interest in the product nor does it bother me if Trump was right or wrong on the issue. I don't have TDS. I was merely pointing out that the U of Mn study evaluated it's use as a preventative in a high risk situation versus it's use as a treatment.
It is wrong to chortle that the drug is worthless as some are doing based solely on the Minnesota study. Clinicians are finding it valuable in treating patients with Covid 19.
Should Trump have taken it as a preventative? Based on the Minnesota study, no. Was the data from the Minnesota study available when he took it? NO Did he take it on the direction of his physician? Yes, it is a prescription drug. Did his physician think it may have potential benefit as a preventative? Apparently so.
HCQ has been widely used as a prophylactic for other diseases from what I have read, it was at least worth a shot and certainly not worth the fuss that has been made over it, but again its not about the message, its about who or how it was delivered I guess so let them have their fun.
edit and to a previous post, yes the treatment that was touted by doctors all over was not HCQ alone, but used in conjunction with Zpack, its funny how some are so supportive of this, but yet some are so adamant that it doesnt work. I even have seen pretty well recognized Dems that have come out and made supportive statements about its positive use on their loved ones.
At the bold.
RE: "HCQ has been widely used as a prophylactic...". The drug itself, it is a good... great drug but NOT as a preventative for COVID-19 (as the study states). And you said worth a shot... for what? Preventing it or treating it?
Re: "... so adamand it doest work": Work in what way? As a preventative? The study says NO. As a treatment... MAYBE. So back to my question... is it wrong to take it as a preventative as Trump did? It's not a R Vs D thing.
See how we keep going back to the same issue?
MBlack, you make it sound as though I should know the strategy and thinking of the white house medical staff. Sorry, don't know, never been in the loop! I'm also not a conspiracy theorist so don't know what the conspiracy folks believe relative to the POTUS and medical staff. I don't believe the POTUS had a covid 19 infection but that's purely a guess on my part.
We have people on this forum say that HCQ has been proven ineffective, with no qualification.
You are asking non medical professionals on a football forum to assess the decision of the WH medical staff. Good luck with that... No one can answer your question. A practicing physician could not accurately answer without more information. Medical information of all POTUS is private and never released in total. Yes, new releases when there is news to share but not full release of all information.
Quote: @IDVikingfan said:
MBlack, you make it sound as though I should know the strategy and thinking of the white house medical staff. Sorry, don't know, never been in the loop! I'm also not a conspiracy theorist so don't know what the conspiracy folks believe relative to the POTUS and medical staff. I don't believe the POTUS had a covid 19 infection but that's purely a guess on my part.
We have people on this forum say that HCQ has been proven ineffective, with no qualification.
You are asking non medical professionals on a football forum to assess the decision of the WH medical staff. Good luck with that... No one can answer your question. A practicing physician could not accurately answer without more information. Medical information of all POTUS is private and never released in total. Yes, new releases when there is news to share but not full release of all information.
Thats fair. However this is what we do know and it is all public info...
- President says he does not have COVID and is tested regularly
- President says he is taking HCQ
- HCQ is a prescription med and President said he was prescribed it
- Research says HCQ does not prevent COVID-19
All these are in the public domain so I am sorry we don't need WH to tell us anything. We already know that from the President. So based on the above, do you think the President was right to take, strongly and frequently state that taking HCQ would prevent one from getting COVID-19? That question is not hard nor does one need a medical background to answer. Failure to answer as a matter of fact makes someone question why the question is being avoided.
I heard him mention HCQ as treatment, didn't hear the preventative part. Not a major follower of the nightly news and not looking for gotchas no matter who is in office. I suspect Dr Fauci would be in his ear if he was straying too far afield. I don't take medical advice from non-professionals and I don't believe doctors do either... People are free to express their opinions but I go with what my doctor suggests. YMMY.
You a lawyer? Back off.
Quote: @JimmyinSD said:
@"BarrNone55" said:
Thousands of people from all over Michigan are converging on our state Capitol today to protest the governor’s restrictive “Stay Home” order and get their voices, and car horns, heard. #OperationGridlock
what is scary about this though... elected official at all levels and representing both parties have made this thing a political football. and since the media has grabbed that ball and are tossing it back and forth in living rooms and on computer screens all across America with million of people at home with nothing more to do than listen to their side get trashed... they get their hackles up and this becomes about blame and a big ol shit fest of partisan crap. Both sides followers will take extremes to see their side "win".... so we will have people ignoring stay at home orders because they didnt vote for the person telling them to stay home... fucking brilliant if you ask me. we wont need a cure, just more body bags as this thing will rare up again and set us back another month in terms of trying to get out from under it.
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The "right" in this country does not have a platform to discuss anything. All of these "right wing" ideals come from racist, white left supremacists who understand exactly what they are saying and why they are saying it.
Everything we've come to be told is "the right" in this country since the invention of internet has basically just been the center of a Venn Diagram of the only things these white communists and anarchists agree on!
People have been beaten down by these extreme left supremacists for far too long. 'you're racist.' 'God is shit.' 'Fuck you.' 'get off my message board.'
Could you imagine if the advertised extreme right wing rhetoric really existed at the advertised level in this country? Imagine message boards that didn't tolerate dissent from God. Imagine message boards where people where like, "you support killing babies? fuck you, get out"
i'm not saying I want that. I'm pointing out that the "right" in this country is an imagery laden fantasy portrayed to potential victims by a bunch of white supremacists that weaponize that shit just to win. They have everyone believing nobody on the right is normal. That's so false.
Fair "right" ideology and ideas are so closed off in this country, we don't even understand that the very minorities who supposedly represent whatever movement ya'll can't seem to agree on (for the purpose of people being out in the streets night after night) have been senselessly victimized by all of it.
If you support violence against innocent victims, this shit is clearly just a game to you. If you think I don't understand race in America because someone told you looting isn't a crime or burning shit down isn't a crime, this shit is clearly just a game to you.
they hate. and they hate. and they hate. and they hate...
and they've been called out on it by a hoard of folks who have walked away from this message board and others.
Who can't see the forest for the trees again? It's impossible to talk these days without some Portland Karen mansplaining how politics are all set up in this country and what your position means. if a person even attempts to argue, they go, "HA! GOOOOTTEEEEYYYYYMMM!"
Quote: @mblack said:
@ IDVikingfan said:
MBlack, you make it sound as though I should know the strategy and thinking of the white house medical staff. Sorry, don't know, never been in the loop! I'm also not a conspiracy theorist so don't know what the conspiracy folks believe relative to the POTUS and medical staff. I don't believe the POTUS had a covid 19 infection but that's purely a guess on my part.
We have people on this forum say that HCQ has been proven ineffective, with no qualification.
You are asking non medical professionals on a football forum to assess the decision of the WH medical staff. Good luck with that... No one can answer your question. A practicing physician could not accurately answer without more information. Medical information of all POTUS is private and never released in total. Yes, new releases when there is news to share but not full release of all information.
Thats fair. However this is what we do know and it is all public info...
- President says he does not have COVID and is tested regularly
- President says he is taking HCQ
- HCQ is a prescription med and President said he was prescribed it
- Research says HCQ does not prevent COVID-19
All these are in the public domain so I am sorry we don't need WH to tell us anything. We already know that from the President. So based on the above, do you think the President was right to take, strongly and frequently state that taking HCQ would prevent one from getting COVID-19? That question is not hard nor does one need a medical background to answer. Failure to answer as a matter of fact makes someone question why the question is being avoided.
I never heard him specifically advocate its use as a preventative measure, despite him using it as such. I do recall him touting it as a potential game changer in response to the success being seen with it in conjunction with zpac by doctors in France and other countries if administered early in a patients showing symptoms.
Much has been said about its failures but most studies dont say of it was used with zpack and the one study I did read the used it bn in conjunction with zpack said that it was only administered to the most severe patients after they were well past initial symptoms shown.
As far as should it be used as a preventative...if it doesnt affect other things then I say its worth a shot. Half of medicine is about the patients confidence in the treatment so if he thinks it helps
...who cares? Doctors are not going to act on what trump says and if they do they should have their medical licenses revoked.
It's a long standing drug with well documented side effects and known issues as well as uses. Aside from dumb asses that drink fish cleaner or drink lysol what did it really hurt for trump to try and sell some hope at a very dark time for a lot of people?
MBlack, take a deep breath. You're way overextending your argument and painting with way too broad of a brush. I'm a Humphrey conservative which makes me hard right relative today's democratic party. No, I'm not hard right nor am I racist. Sticks and stones, Mblack, sticks and stones.
Quote: @IDVikingfan said:
MBlack, take a deep breath. You're way overextending your argument and painting with way too broad of a brush. I'm a Humphrey conservative which makes me hard right relative today's democratic party. No, I'm not hard right nor am I racist. Sticks and stones, Mblack, sticks and stones.
I'm getting towards your description of your own illusion that you are "hard right" to today's democratic party.
we're all locked into The Way It Is. It's propagated by well funded media - almost everything we consume - that apparently now cannot separate crime from real social justice (peaceful demonstrations, powerful uncensored dialog, true American resolve) and the same people handing out bricks to people on the streets. Adults (well, most of you older than me) are conditioned naturally by this country to be reasonable, and lawful.
These kids are out there in the streets often sound like they are reading an instruction manual for todays politics while they act out accordingly.
(and that's it. I was just trying to respond to a post not hijack the thread)
Quote: @JimmyinSD said:
@ mblack said:
@ IDVikingfan said:
MBlack, you make it sound as though I should know the strategy and thinking of the white house medical staff. Sorry, don't know, never been in the loop! I'm also not a conspiracy theorist so don't know what the conspiracy folks believe relative to the POTUS and medical staff. I don't believe the POTUS had a covid 19 infection but that's purely a guess on my part.
We have people on this forum say that HCQ has been proven ineffective, with no qualification.
You are asking non medical professionals on a football forum to assess the decision of the WH medical staff. Good luck with that... No one can answer your question. A practicing physician could not accurately answer without more information. Medical information of all POTUS is private and never released in total. Yes, new releases when there is news to share but not full release of all information.
Thats fair. However this is what we do know and it is all public info...
- President says he does not have COVID and is tested regularly
- President says he is taking HCQ
- HCQ is a prescription med and President said he was prescribed it
- Research says HCQ does not prevent COVID-19
All these are in the public domain so I am sorry we don't need WH to tell us anything. We already know that from the President. So based on the above, do you think the President was right to take, strongly and frequently state that taking HCQ would prevent one from getting COVID-19? That question is not hard nor does one need a medical background to answer. Failure to answer as a matter of fact makes someone question why the question is being avoided.
I never heard him specifically advocate its use as a preventative measure, despite him using it as such. I do recall him touting it as a potential game changer in response to the success being seen with it in conjunction with zpac by doctors in France and other countries if administered early in a patients showing symptoms.
Much has been said about its failures but most studies dont say of it was used with zpack and the one study I did read the used it bn in conjunction with zpack said that it was only administered to the most severe patients after they were well past initial symptoms shown.
As far as should it be used as a preventative...if it doesnt affect other things then I say its worth a shot. Half of medicine is about the patients confidence in the treatment so if he thinks it helps
...who cares? Doctors are not going to act on what trump says and if they do they should have their medical licenses revoked.
It's a long standing drug with well documented side effects and known issues as well as uses. Aside from dumb asses that drink fish cleaner or drink lysol what did it really hurt for trump to try and sell some hope at a very dark time for a lot of people?
It was a single French researcher with a very flawed study, quickly refuted retracted by the publication that printed it, IIRC. Got to love your consistency, you hang on this and the challenge any climate science with Scientists don't agree.
From some digging around on twitter looking into my china thread; i've found the phrase "CCP Virus" in my Chinese translator a few times while trying to understand what this weird New China is.
Dunno if that's Chinese majority or something like our "conspiracy," but some Chinese online seem to call it the "CCP Virus."
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