Quote: @SFVikeFan said:
That's the first Dem I have seen support Antifa. I don't like them either, I don't know any Dem supporter or liberal that likes them other than the fact they are willing to fight the Neo Nazis marching in the streets. Most of them are anarchists - they don't believe in a government which is why they aren't Dems. Stop putting everyone who doesn't like Trump into 1 box and a black and white world. It's not. A ton of people hate Trump, doesn't mean they're all liberals or Dems. You can't seem to grasp the fact that everyone who isn't GOP hates the man.
Oh, you mean there's a lot of negative articles about Trump ... gee I wonder why. The mean old press, doing its job reporting on the embarrassing, horrible shit he does and says on a daily basis. Trump can't make it a week without doing something moronic or saying something horrible or fabricate a complete lie aimed to rile up his base and divide the country and the entire world further. Don't even compare Obama to the monster in the WH. Obama never spewed the amount of or the level of dangerous lies Trump has, Obama never attacked the press or Fox News the way Trump has with CNN, Obama never attacked Republicans, or our allies like Trump has. Look at the Trump rallies ... you spew enough venom to get people in a fever pitch to HATE the press and the other political party and look what happens - Trump has spent 2 years fanning the flames to encourage this terrorism. It's fucking sick and out of control and because it's your team on the attack none of you seem to care because you all circle around to the Dems saying something or doing something that you feel is bad too. Jesus what a mentality. Didn't mom teach you two wrongs don't make a right?
Do you not find it odd the only people Trump won't attack are Putin, North Korea and the Saudis?
And call today what it is: somebody sent bombs to George Soros, the Clintons, and the Obamas.
This was a terrorist attack that was stopped. Most likely a domestic one. And we all know the kind of person/people who was/were behind it. The Trump folks. The proud "nationalists."
Obama spied on reporters.
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/obama-whose-administration-prosecuted-and-spied-on-reporters-claims-trump-is-very-bad-for-criticizing-newsrooms
As for his feelings about Fox... From the article...
In 2009, for example, the Obama White House intentionally excluded
Fox News’ Chris Wallace from participating in a round of interviews
pertaining to the president’s push for healthcare reform. Later that
same year, the administration officials tried to block Fox reporters
from interviewing “pay czar” Kenneth Feinberg. The White House initially
lied about this, and many in the press went along with it. It wasn’t
until 2011 that the public learned the truth of the Feinberg episode. An
internal email dated Oct. 22, 2009, showed the White House director of
broadcast media told Treasury officials specifically, “We’d prefer if
you skip Fox please.”
The bigger point is that Feinberg was not the only
administration official to have his network appearances limited by the
White House.
The Obama White House communications director, Anita Dunn, said at the time,
“We’re going to treat them the way we would treat an opponent. As they
are undertaking a war against Barack Obama and the White House, we don’t
need to pretend that this is the way that legitimate news organizations
behave.”
On how he treated our allies... He approved tapping Merkel's phone. Who knows what else he did with the news not reporting on it.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/germany/10407282/Barack-Obama-approved-tapping-Angela-Merkels-phone-3-years-ago.html
Just because you agreed with Obama, and so did most of the press(after they received their "marching papers") doesn't mean he didn't lie. "Keep your own doctor" and "shovel ready" come to mind immediately. Having an American arrested for posting YouTube video is another. Killing the most civilians with drones while being given a Noble Peace prize would be another example of "people looking the other way(accepting lies)" just because is another example.
Trump has placed some of the toughest sanctions on Putin's Russia. And wasn't the media crying that Trump's attacking Kim would lead us to World War 3? Your hate for the man clouds what you see and remember. I nothing the guy, I do support his right to implement his plan for the country since he won the election... because that's how this country works and I do like the jobs and other positives his policies has created.... but he's still an ass.
For 8 years anyone that disagreed with Obama were told to just focus on their daily lives and what happens in Washington doesn't really have that big of an impact on them. Trump gets elected and BAM, the switch is flipped, and it's resist at all costs. Obama's 8 years in office did little to nothing to promote togetherness in this nation but sure... place it all on the 2 years of Trump. Both parties use hate to their advantage and you're blind not to see it. Most in the media said it would be "the end of the world" if Trump was elected so they have a vested interest to make sure everyone thinks that he is the worst.
My mom taught me plenty... you seem to have an unusual focus on my family....
Quote: @KingBash said:
@ pumpf said:
@ KingBash said:
@ pumpf said:
You know, for people who are deathly afraid of Trump taking away their "free speech", you guys don't seem too afraid to bitch about him constantly.
What point are you trying to make? I'm not trying to be a dick, but that isn't really a "got ya" comment. Yeah, he's trying to silence people and we're calling bullshit. Your point?
Of course, I seem to remember it was "you guys" who said- about 20 years ago- that character didn't matter. The only thing that mattered was whether or not they "did their job".
I'll concede here, I suppose. Twenty years ago, I was twelve.
... ohhh, I see where you're going. Bill Clinton got a blowjob from an intern behind his wife's back. Yeah, who cares. His fuck-up was doing a shitty job of lying about it. That was truly embarrassing. I LIKE the fact Trump fucks porn stars and marries models. I just wish his politics were more like (Bill) Clinton's. A little. Not all of Bill's politics have aged well, but he was a generally decent man... on paper at least. I don't remember when Clinton mocked a disabled reporter.
Pumpf: you're the Christian here. Maybe I'm misinterpreting what you guys are about, but Trump's infidelities should be real red flags to you. Meanwhile, Pat Robertson (BIG Christian) excuses the murder of a journalist because it could jeopardize an arms deal. Leave it to Christians! You guys are always a hoot.
Well, Trump is still the same repugnant guy he was when I didn't vote for him... but there does seem to be alot of good things going on in the country.
Some. Thank President Obama for a lot of that. Like Donald with his father, he's riding Obama's coattails on a lot of it and taking credit. Oh, sure. I don't disagree he's sped things up some. But I like a little regulation if it means a slightly worse economy but our rivers aren't polluted. But I digress...
Meanwhile, the Democrats have (somehow) become even more repugnant than Trump.
No. You're wrong and you need to be told that more often. It won't help, but you need to hear it.
I'll end with this tonight. I actually think you're a genuinely good dude who'd do that whole shirt off your back thing for anybody of any color/religion/orientation regardless of what they've done. But it seriously fascinates me how you can be so wrong on so many things that are simply moral. Fleecing the taxpayer your entire life is bad. Hateful rhetoric on the media is bad. ... WHITE SUPREMACISTS are shit.
Perhaps that red hat truly is magic.
For the umpteenth time: I didn't vote for Trump... and I don't recall excusing anything that he's done. What I HAVE tried to do is point out the hypocrisy of those who suddenly think that character matters- when it never did before. I have no problem saying that Trump is NOT a good person. But- in my opinion- there ARE some good things going on in our country right now. Some are biased by my view of life... some seem pretty universally obvious. I just do not happen to give Obama credit for the relatively sudden turn-around of our economy. IF Obama was the cause, why did it take more than 8 years for his "plan" to kick in?
As for the Democrats- yes, what they've done is as (if not more) repugnant than the Donald. You and I won't agree on this: but since I believe that each unborn child is a unique human life (which science backs up), I cannot consider abortion as anything other than a modern-day holocaust. And the Democrats support it with all of their might.
Welp, this was a pointless discussion.
We won't agree. But I suppose that's fine. I've tried to remain tactful towards you, and I meant what I said about you being a good guy. But as far as your beliefs, you're not a true Christian. You're simply not. Read your book and think, "Am I living this way?"
There's a silver lining to this for both us of (at least for now): we don't live near one another. I live near like-minded people I mostly get along with and I guarantee you do too. Maybe it's time for Americans to realize we want different things? Nobody wants to have that discussion, but it's about time.
I have to laugh at that line. Utterly ridiculous. We all are sinners. But for a guy who doesn't believe in this "superstition" to define what believing in this "superstition" means, that is laughable.
Quote: @Bezerker88 said:
Of course it is! Why wouldn't it be? You guys have to stop normalizing this imbecile as if he's just another Republican. This is not some conservative ideologue with whom Democrats have profound policy disagreements. This is not Bush or Reagan...or even Pence. Donald Trump is a dangerously unstable and thoroughly incompetent pig who doesn't have a clue what he's doing. He's operating like the dictator in charge of a banana republic, not the President of the United States. His attacks on basic American freedoms like Press, Religion and due process should horrify ALL of us, including Republicans. If we get through his term without some sort of financial, domestic or geopolitical catastrophe I will be surprised. The idea that there are people in the White House poised to act to prevent Trump's "worst inclinations" is comforting, but it should tell you all you need to know about how dangerous he is. No, the press cannot call him out enough.
Quote: @greediron said:
@ KingBash said:
@ pumpf said:
@ KingBash said:
@ pumpf said:
You know, for people who are deathly afraid of Trump taking away their "free speech", you guys don't seem too afraid to bitch about him constantly.
What point are you trying to make? I'm not trying to be a dick, but that isn't really a "got ya" comment. Yeah, he's trying to silence people and we're calling bullshit. Your point?
Of course, I seem to remember it was "you guys" who said- about 20 years ago- that character didn't matter. The only thing that mattered was whether or not they "did their job".
I'll concede here, I suppose. Twenty years ago, I was twelve.
... ohhh, I see where you're going. Bill Clinton got a blowjob from an intern behind his wife's back. Yeah, who cares. His fuck-up was doing a shitty job of lying about it. That was truly embarrassing. I LIKE the fact Trump fucks porn stars and marries models. I just wish his politics were more like (Bill) Clinton's. A little. Not all of Bill's politics have aged well, but he was a generally decent man... on paper at least. I don't remember when Clinton mocked a disabled reporter.
Pumpf: you're the Christian here. Maybe I'm misinterpreting what you guys are about, but Trump's infidelities should be real red flags to you. Meanwhile, Pat Robertson (BIG Christian) excuses the murder of a journalist because it could jeopardize an arms deal. Leave it to Christians! You guys are always a hoot.
Well, Trump is still the same repugnant guy he was when I didn't vote for him... but there does seem to be alot of good things going on in the country.
Some. Thank President Obama for a lot of that. Like Donald with his father, he's riding Obama's coattails on a lot of it and taking credit. Oh, sure. I don't disagree he's sped things up some. But I like a little regulation if it means a slightly worse economy but our rivers aren't polluted. But I digress...
Meanwhile, the Democrats have (somehow) become even more repugnant than Trump.
No. You're wrong and you need to be told that more often. It won't help, but you need to hear it.
I'll end with this tonight. I actually think you're a genuinely good dude who'd do that whole shirt off your back thing for anybody of any color/religion/orientation regardless of what they've done. But it seriously fascinates me how you can be so wrong on so many things that are simply moral. Fleecing the taxpayer your entire life is bad. Hateful rhetoric on the media is bad. ... WHITE SUPREMACISTS are shit.
Perhaps that red hat truly is magic.
For the umpteenth time: I didn't vote for Trump... and I don't recall excusing anything that he's done. What I HAVE tried to do is point out the hypocrisy of those who suddenly think that character matters- when it never did before. I have no problem saying that Trump is NOT a good person. But- in my opinion- there ARE some good things going on in our country right now. Some are biased by my view of life... some seem pretty universally obvious. I just do not happen to give Obama credit for the relatively sudden turn-around of our economy. IF Obama was the cause, why did it take more than 8 years for his "plan" to kick in?
As for the Democrats- yes, what they've done is as (if not more) repugnant than the Donald. You and I won't agree on this: but since I believe that each unborn child is a unique human life (which science backs up), I cannot consider abortion as anything other than a modern-day holocaust. And the Democrats support it with all of their might.
Welp, this was a pointless discussion.
We won't agree. But I suppose that's fine. I've tried to remain tactful towards you, and I meant what I said about you being a good guy. But as far as your beliefs, you're not a true Christian. You're simply not. Read your book and think, "Am I living this way?"
There's a silver lining to this for both us of (at least for now): we don't live near one another. I live near like-minded people I mostly get along with and I guarantee you do too. Maybe it's time for Americans to realize we want different things? Nobody wants to have that discussion, but it's about time.
I have to laugh at that line. Utterly ridiculous. We all are sinners. But for a guy who doesn't believe in this "superstition" to define what believing in this "superstition" means, that is laughable.
Well, I don't believe in the tenets of Christianity. That shit is Harry Potter laughable.
But Christ's teachings? Kindness, compassion, denouncing excessive wealth...
All pumpf gives a shit about is unborn babies. Until they turn into Democrats/liberals/gays/etc. Then they're shit in his eyes.
EDIT: Oh yeah: pumpf also said there are good people on both sides of Charlottesville. Exactly how Jesus would handle it.
Explosive devises sent to bith Clintons, Obama, Soros and CNN New York. Last week Trump praises a congressman for “ body slamming a reporter.” Think those things are not connected? Remember how he championed violence while on the campaign trail, after Charlottesville he said there were “good people on both sides” ( and then, in case people missed his meaning, reiterated “on BOTH sides”) He claims Soros and the Democratic party were “involved in funding” the caravan. totally made up—as was his assertion that amongst the people in the caravan “you will find Middle Eastern”. Note—not Middle Eastern PEOPLE just “Middle Eastern.”
It is the atmosphere of hatred he creates, the condoning of violence he gives voice to that fosters what we woke up to this morning.
btw Naziis not an acronism as some conservatives have stated- its short for the German word for “nationalism.”
Quote: @Caactorvike said:
Explosive devises sent to bith Clintons, Obama, Soros and CNN New York. Last week Trump praises a congressman for “ body slamming a reporter.” Think those things are not connected? Remember how he championed violence while on the campaign trail, after Charlottesville he said there were “good people on both sides” ( and then, in case people missed his meaning, reiterated “on BOTH sides”) He claims Soros and the Democratic party were “involved in funding” the caravan. totally made up—as was his assertion that amongst the people in the caravan “you will find Middle Eastern”. Note—not Middle Eastern PEOPLE just “Middle Eastern.”
It is the atmosphere of hatred he creates, the condoning of violence he gives voice to that fosters what we woke up to this morning.
btw Naziis not an acronism as some conservatives have stated- its short for the German word for “nationalism.”
You'll hear silence from the "nationalists" on this board, I predict. Not a peep. Until a random illegal immigrant commits a crime. Or antifa turns over a car in the middle of nowhere and Fox runs it as a riot. Then they'll all lose their minds again.
Quote: @"freeBezerker88" said:
Obama spied on reporters.
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/obama-whose-administration-prosecuted-and-spied-on-reporters-claims-trump-is-very-bad-for-criticizing-newsrooms
As for his feelings about Fox... From the article...
In 2009, for example, the Obama White House intentionally excluded
Fox News’ Chris Wallace from participating in a round of interviews
pertaining to the president’s push for healthcare reform. Later that
same year, the administration officials tried to block Fox reporters
from interviewing “pay czar” Kenneth Feinberg. The White House initially
lied about this, and many in the press went along with it. It wasn’t
until 2011 that the public learned the truth of the Feinberg episode. An
internal email dated Oct. 22, 2009, showed the White House director of
broadcast media told Treasury officials specifically, “We’d prefer if
you skip Fox please.”
The bigger point is that Feinberg was not the only
administration official to have his network appearances limited by the
White House.
The Obama White House communications director, Anita Dunn, said at the time,
“We’re going to treat them the way we would treat an opponent. As they
are undertaking a war against Barack Obama and the White House, we don’t
need to pretend that this is the way that legitimate news organizations
behave.”
On how he treated our allies... He approved tapping Merkel's phone. Who knows what else he did with the news not reporting on it.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/germany/10407282/Barack-Obama-approved-tapping-Angela-Merkels-phone-3-years-ago.html
Just because you agreed with Obama, and so did most of the press(after they received their "marching papers") doesn't mean he didn't lie. "Keep your own doctor" and "shovel ready" come to mind immediately. Having an American arrested for posting YouTube video is another. Killing the most civilians with drones while being given a Noble Peace prize would be another example of "people looking the other way(accepting lies)" just because is another example.
Trump has placed some of the toughest sanctions on Putin's Russia. And wasn't the media crying that Trump's attacking Kim would lead us to World War 3? Your hate for the man clouds what you see and remember. I nothing the guy, I do support his right to implement his plan for the country since he won the election... because that's how this country works and I do like the jobs and other positives his policies has created.... but he's still an ass.
For 8 years anyone that disagreed with Obama were told to just focus on their daily lives and what happens in Washington doesn't really have that big of an impact on them. Trump gets elected and BAM, the switch is flipped, and it's resist at all costs. Obama's 8 years in office did little to nothing to promote togetherness in this nation but sure... place it all on the 2 years of Trump. Both parties use hate to their advantage and you're blind not to see it. Most in the media said it would be "the end of the world" if Trump was elected so they have a vested interest to make sure everyone thinks that he is the worst.
My mom taught me plenty... you seem to have an unusual focus on my family....
And right on cue, you turn around and try to make an argument about Obama spied on reporters. Obama broke a campaign promise about keeping my doctor, yeah totally the same as 5000+ Trump lies and counting. Mexico will pay for the wall, better and cheaper healthcare on Day 1, the fact you're once again trying to equate the two is a damn joke. As if that's anywhere near the realm of what Trump's done with his relentless assaults on the "fake news" media, calling the media the enemy of the people, encouraging violence against reporters.
Thanks for making my point yet again. If Trump applauds violence against the media, rather than call him out for it, well I better accuse Obama of doing something bad too, even if it's nowhere near as bad as Trump's relentless assault of a free press and our fucking Constitution. You're a joke trying to make false equivalency after false equivalency to justify Trump's dangerous, despicable behavior.
You are a microcosm of what's wrong with America. But but but Obama lied about keeping my doctor, but but but Hillary said to be uncivil, blah blah blah. It's not just you, you're one of tens of millions with this same tribal, partisan mindset that prevents you from being objective. You're so brainwashed with GOP propaganda you can't even admit what Trump is doing isn't just wrong it's fucking dangerous ... without trying to desperately find some false equivalency about the Dems. God it's embarrassing to read this shit from grown adults, how blindly partisan you guys act to defend the insanity and despicable behavior coming out of the White House.
Quote: @StickyBun said:
We aren't on the verge of any civil war. Don't get caught up in the hyperbole and hype.
Take a walk. Breath the air. Hug somebody you love. Read a book. Pour yourself a glass of wine and listen to some good music. Step away from social media, the news, the internet and realize that life is good.
Its beer thirty somewhere and I'm ready for a cheeseburger in paradise. Have a great weekend.
Sorry sticky but this is why I am alarmed. Trump's relentless assault on the truth, on the media, and his fueling of conspiracy theories about Soros, Hillary and others ... now look what happened. Mail bombs sent to his favorite enemies.
Trump's insanity has spread like wildfire, he is literally encouraging domestic terrorism against the media and Dems and this is the result. Some angry nutjobs are going to act on it.
Quote: @SFVikeFan said:
@ StickyBun said:
We aren't on the verge of any civil war. Don't get caught up in the hyperbole and hype.
Take a walk. Breath the air. Hug somebody you love. Read a book. Pour yourself a glass of wine and listen to some good music. Step away from social media, the news, the internet and realize that life is good.
Its beer thirty somewhere and I'm ready for a cheeseburger in paradise. Have a great weekend.
Sorry sticky but this is why I am alarmed. Trump's relentless assault on the truth, on the media, and his fueling of conspiracy theories about Soros, Hillary and others ... now look what happened. Mail bombs sent to his favorite enemies.
Trump's insanity has spread like wildfire, he is literally encouraging domestic terrorism against the media and Dems and this is the result. Some angry nutjobs are going to act on it.
As I've said from day one, he's scaring stupid people.
And make no mistake about it: Trump will blame this on the Democrats somehow. And somehow, someway, his idiots will buy into it.
The "left wing" media needs to start doing their jobs. Stop covering this stupid caravan non-story and focus 100% of their attention on what's important. It's time for the adults to act like adults and start agenda-setting. That's their job.
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