Vikings @ Cowboys

[StickierBuns]

Is it perfect? Of course not. But you’ll forgive me if I tend to put more weight into an evaluation done by trained analysts watching the All-22…than some fucktard in Fresno watching the TV broadcast through the bottom of a glass.

[MaroonBells]

Apologies to all the fucktards in Fresno, but I put the dumbass in Denver in this category as well.

[medaille]

I’m fine with advanced metrics. I think the real beef I have with metrics is people that share them without the context that needs to go with them. People cherry pick the few stats that prove their point. When people point to stats that most people aren’t familiar with, it leads to things being confusing because you don’t know exactly how that metric is calculated. I don’t think the broadcast teams help when they start leveraging whatever stat-finding tools they have to find gems like “This was the first time in 37 years that a QB has above 178 yards, 2 TDs on a Thursday night game, where each team had a bye week before the game”

[MaroonBells]

I’m fine with advanced metrics.  I think the real beef I have with metrics is people that share them without the context that needs to go with them.  People cherry pick the few stats that prove their point.  When people point to stats that most people aren’t familiar with, it leads to things being confusing because you don’t know exactly how that metric is calculated.  I don’t think the broadcast teams help when they start leveraging whatever stat-finding tools they have to find gems like “This was the first time in 37 years that a QB has above 178 yards, 2 TDs on a Thursday night game, where each team had a bye week before the game”

LOL. Oh man, I couldn't agree more. 

Saw that a lot with our QB. Early on, statistical comparisons were made to the slow starts of Manning and Elway. Totally different eras. Later, others would talk about how megabust Josh Rosen had a more productive 1st year than McCarthy at that point. Meaningless. Then the most recent: something about JJ being the only QB in NFL history who has multiple TD passes while also rushing for a TD in the same game three times within the first 8 games of his career....I mean, c'mon, this is just picture painting with numbers. 

It's why I put a little more credence into the "PARA-metrics" I guess is what I'd call it. While it adds some subjectivity to the data, it doesn't rely so much on numbers as it does in-game, situational successes and failures.

[StickierBuns]

Apologies to all the fucktards in Fresno, but I put the dumbass in Denver in this category as well.

The Bitch of Boca agrees....

But let's put it as the Fucktards in Fargo for some team regionality. 

[JimmyinSD]

What is your evidence of bias? Or that the PFF analysts, many of whom are former players and coaches, don’t quite have a Jimmy-on-his-couch-level of understanding of the complexity of a play? Because, honestly, I think what you’ve been complaining about—how misleading stats can be—is exactly why there’s a need for these additional metrics.

How many times have we seen a QB throw a bad ball that really should’ve been picked off? But because it’s tipped into the receiver’s hands, it’s a TD? Why should a QB who throws a perfect ball that is dropped by the receiver get the exact same grade as the QB who throws a ball 10 feet over his head? In terms of stats, those two plays are identical, and I would hope you’d agree that they shouldn’t be. Shouldn't we distinguish between QBs who rise to the occasion in big moments and those who choke in those moments? I think you'd agree we should. These are simply metrics designed to help account for all that.

Is it perfect? Of course not. But you’ll forgive me if I tend to put more weight into an evaluation done by trained analysts watching the All-22…than some fucktard in Fresno watching the TV broadcast through the bottom of a glass.

how long does it take after a game for those ratings or metrics to come out?  who are all these ex pro athletes that are spending their glory years combing over every single play from every single player in every single game?  I dont buy the narrative is all I am saying,  if you want to....knock yourself out,  but there are plenty of former professional players that also question the veracity of these metrics, but they are probably drunk as well, right?

as far as bias, anytime you have a human reviewing something there will be bias, nearly all of our thoughts are based on bias which is largely nothing more than our life experiences and education coming to light in our thoughts and actions.

you like the geek side of the game, good for you if thats what trips your trigger, but if the analysis of stats/metrics/ etc could build a roster, then we wouldnt be sitting at home in January wondering if there are any good westerns playing on Sunday. All those geek things are fun for message boards, but they havent shown me yet that they serve much value in finding and collecting players that are better than the next guy. Like I said in another post, I am pretty sure you can find flattering numbers for even the shittiest players that might suggest they are more than they are based on specific situations that they dont suck at.

The biggest issue I have is that every season it seems that there are more and more of these things created to help sell a narrative when all that really matters is what you get out of the game and season, and in the end its a collection of players that makes the end result, the wrong combination of even the guys with the best metrics can shit the bed, and a collection of lesser players can wind up holding the trophy. If you can find the metrics or pff scores to accomplish that, let me know.

[JimmyinSD]

Again, not at all. It's a stat that measures NFL throws difficulty level. I think there is merit to it. High talent level that needs to work on a few things. I think most can see however, that he really does have a high talent level. Especially when they just let him go out there and play. 

He is also the only QB in history to throw for 2 TDs and rush for a TD in 3 of his first 8 games. Another stat that is not meaningless. It really takes talent to do what he can do with his throws. 

It isn't that I am trying to fight. Most know I was and still holding on to being a big supporter of JJ. Just listened to many talk sideways with comments over the offseason and this season. Even down to people saying Brosmer is something he isn't. Quite frankly he has little NFL talent. 

Point is, the 22 year old, youngest QB in the league, has something and I believe he has chance to be something big.

I agree on JJ,  I dont think anybody has seen enough on Brosmer to say either way,  just like any narrative on JJ doesnt have enough supporting evidence good or bad.