Trump.... you are losing your base

[badgervike]

I am  not sure I would say a large chunk,  but I definitely see and hear more people in one of the most historically conservative states (SD) that are speaking out against some of the shit the last few months,  like his spending bill,  like the flopping on the epstein files,  and some other lesser things.  I think his approval rating is down about 6 or 7 points in the last couple months,  not huge,  but definitely showing a slip in his supporters.

His approval rating has remained steady throughout.  I still have never got the fascination on the Epstein "list".  Why would there be a list?  Epstein was one sick f@ck but most of it was for his own gratification.  Everyone treats this as a Heidi Fleiss deal.  Did some of his friends / acquaintances partake?  Probably / likely.  Some like the Prince Andrew deal were beyond the statute of limitations.  I liken this to the P Diddy scandal.  A lot of f@cked up things with sex/drugs/ trafficking but most of it was for Diddy's gratification and directed by Diddy.  Did he have a "list"?  Doubt it.  Btw..Trump has asked Bondi to release the Epstein Grand Jury testimony.  I agree with you that transparency is best.  I disagree with anyone that paints that on the Trump Admin.  The Biden Admin had the information their entire term and also did nothing with it.  My guess is it's a lot of circumstantial, uncorroborated or expired details including a lot of rich and famous connections.  I chuckle that people think that Trump is somehow implicated.  You're telling me that Biden sat on the get out of jail free card.  If there was ANYTHING that implicated Trump, it would have been leaked to a willing media partner before the elections.  Glad at least some of the information will come out.  I'm afraid that much like the Kennedy files, it will not live up to the hype.

For the Big Beautiful Bill, I'm willing to give it a chance...not sure why you're not.  The $340B per year cost is highly suspect as it was done using static scoring on the economy including the normal 1.9% economic growth rate.  That's the growth rate they use to score virtually every bill.  I watched a lot of Kevin Hassett discussing the bill.  He's really good by the way.  The economic bill they passed under the first Trump term with the tax cuts was scored at the same 1.9% growth even though Hassett had it scored at 3% growth.  The tax reductions achieved the 3% growth as anticipated...until Covid.  Hassett has the Big Beautiful Bill scored at 5% growth.  The BBB is all about growth.  If the 3% growth (or higher) is achieved, the bill will actually reduce the deficit on its own.  The bill also doesn't account for cost savings from Doge and other cuts nor does it include the projected $300 B per year in tariff revenues.  It also doesn't include some of the cuts that are caught up in litigation which will either be settled or require legislation by Congress.  The US actually had a budget surplus in June.  The first since 2017.  It's a start but far from what any of us fiscal conservatives want.  Trump wants his greatest achievement to be the economy...both on the growth side and the reduction in deficit/debt payments.  Again, lots of moving parts.  I'll wait and see how it turns out.  The Democrats were talking about a $10T Bill Back Better bill ($1T per year)...I'll bet that would have fixed our economy.....not.  Trump has a LOT of faults but he's the first President in a long time who is laser focused on the economy.  Hope he and his team are right.

[JimmyinSD]

Jimmy, I think you're a little bit of an outlier. That's not a bad thing, as I agree with a lot if not most of what you say, and only rarely disagree.   One thing you can be sure about with Trump polls are they're not going to put him in a better light than truly exists.  

You seem to nitpick at smaller parts of larger narratives.  I'm not for anything green at all, but sometimes you need to take some of the bad to get the good in politics.  The BBB certainly is representative of that.  As far as pipelines, I'm okay with the eminent domain logic behind them.  I don't think it should be abused, but it's absolutely necessary.  

I had to search for what I was being chastised for.  That one just came out naturally.  I'll avoid using that term on here that I use almost every day. 

outlier how?  I dont look to national polls about Trumps trending popularity, I only have to listen to everyone around me....  I live in about the most conservative place on the planet,  I assure you that what was once an overwhelming wave of support is starting to grumble about that actions of late,  will they come back around,  possibly, would they turn and vote blue if there was an election tomorrow,  very few would,  but there is a mid term election around the corner and that will take center stage in under a year and that is what is at stake here,  he pulled a lot of people his way this last election, but that can just as easily swing the other way if more promises arent delivered on.

he has lost elon,  who brought some of that middle ground his way,  dont think that elon didnt help carry the election,  why else would he become instant enemy #1 of the blue tie brigade?  Ive heard that some were moved by his endorsement by RFKjr... those health issues dont seem to be moving very fast,  I know some are getting pissy the covid vax is still getting pushed as much as it is and hasnt been limited or outright removed from the market,  as well as other things.  time will tell.  ( I still hear and see ads for the damn vax that are paid for by what are likely our tax dollars based on the messages and locations)


the pipelines in question are for CO2.... a green new deal wet dream boondoggle and the use of eminent domain is only for something that serves to overall good of the public,  sorry collecting CO2 and then piping it to ND so it can be "sequestered" ( used as a fracking media) does not serve the publics interest and I really question if anybody that thinks it justifies the use of eminent domain actually own any property of their own,  or if they are profiting from this effort in some way.

[JimmyinSD]

His approval rating has remained steady throughout.  I still have never got the fascination on the Epstein "list".  Why would there be a list?  Epstein was one sick f@ck but most of it was for his own gratification.  Everyone treats this as a Heidi Fleiss deal.  Did some of his friends / acquaintances partake?  Probably / likely.  Some like the Prince Andrew deal were beyond the statute of limitations.  I liken this to the P Diddy scandal.  A lot of f@cked up things with sex/drugs/ trafficking but most of it was for Diddy's gratification and directed by Diddy.  Did he have a "list"?  Doubt it.  Btw..Trump has asked Bondi to release the Epstein Grand Jury testimony.  I agree with you that transparency is best.  I disagree with anyone that paints that on the Trump Admin.  The Biden Admin had the information their entire term and also did nothing with it.  My guess is it's a lot of circumstantial, uncorroborated or expired details including a lot of rich and famous connections.  I chuckle that people think that Trump is somehow implicated.  You're telling me that Biden sat on the get out of jail free card.  If there was ANYTHING that implicated Trump, it would have been leaked to a willing media partner before the elections.  Glad at least some of the information will come out.  I'm afraid that much like the Kennedy files, it will not live up to the hype.

For the Big Beautiful Bill, I'm willing to give it a chance...not sure why you're not.  The $340B per year cost is highly suspect as it was done using static scoring on the economy including the normal 1.9% economic growth rate.  That's the growth rate they use to score virtually every bill.  I watched a lot of Kevin Hassett discussing the bill.  He's really good by the way.  The economic bill they passed under the first Trump term with the tax cuts was scored at the same 1.9% growth even though Hassett had it scored at 3% growth.  The tax reductions achieved the 3% growth as anticipated...until Covid.  Hassett has the Big Beautiful Bill scored at 5% growth.  The BBB is all about growth.  If the 3% growth (or higher) is achieved, the bill will actually reduce the deficit on its own.  The bill also doesn't account for cost savings from Doge and other cuts nor does it include the projected $300 B per year in tariff revenues.  It also doesn't include some of the cuts that are caught up in litigation which will either be settled or require legislation by Congress.  The US actually had a budget surplus in June.  The first since 2017.  It's a start but far from what any of us fiscal conservatives want.  Trump wants his greatest achievement to be the economy...both on the growth side and the reduction in deficit/debt payments.  Again, lots of moving parts.  I'll wait and see how it turns out.  The Democrats were talking about a $10T Bill Back Better bill ($1T per year)...I'll bet that would have fixed our economy.....not.  Trump has a LOT of faults but he's the first President in a long time who is laser focused on the economy.  Hope he and his team are right.

epstein is a big deal because of those involved, its a big deal because of the way it was handled ( its another hunter laptop all over again)  its a big deal because kids were sexually molested and apparently by wealthy and famous people and despite the master mind getting clintoncided in his cell,  and his right hand being imprisioned,  we are supposed to believe that this place was maintained by him and her for their own enjoyment,  despite all the names attached to this ordeal?  bull shit,  kids were fucking harmed and those involved in the acts or the cover  up need to be held responsible.   and the biggest reason it needs to be done now... is that all of us were incensed when the previous administration did nothing,  you know how hypocritical anybody not screaming now looks just because its our guy saying nothing happened?  if it was about justice for those kids under biden,  it needs to be justice for those kids under trump.

the bbb imo ... the juice isnt worth the squeeze,  we've been lied to so many times in the past to justify new spending and it hasnt worked in our lifetimes.  our govt is over bloated and the only way to get out of debt is to pay down that debt,  not just slowing down on the rate the debt increases,  but actually paying on the principal,  until I see a bill that delivers that its going to be another fail by our elected leaders.  also the pork and perks in the bbb ( see my previous post on the green new deal grift  and the use of eminent domain for pipelines )  I dont see the few cuts and a little economic recovery as the way to pay down the debt,  its going to take taxes at every level, not tax cuts, but tax increases.   as we move further and further into AI I think our ability  to tax and spend will only get worse,  we are heading into one very scary time with all the jobs that will be eliminated by AI and advanced automation.  I know some see this as exciting times thinking about the advances in health care and other things,  I just wonder if we remove a large part of the working class,  who will be able to afford to enjoy the new world,  and who will be paying down that debt?

[Waterboy]

epstein is a big deal because of those involved, its a big deal because of the way it was handled ( its another hunter laptop all over again)  its a big deal because kids were sexually molested and apparently by wealthy and famous people and despite the master mind getting clintoncided in his cell,  and his right hand being imprisioned,  we are supposed to believe that this place was maintained by him and her for their own enjoyment,  despite all the names attached to this ordeal?  bull shit,  kids were fucking harmed and those involved in the acts or the cover  up need to be held responsible.   and the biggest reason it needs to be done now... is that all of us were incensed when the previous administration did nothing,  you know how hypocritical anybody not screaming now looks just because its our guy saying nothing happened?  if it was about justice for those kids under biden,  it needs to be justice for those kids under trump.

the bbb imo ... the juice isnt worth the squeeze,  we've been lied to so many times in the past to justify new spending and it hasnt worked in our lifetimes.  our govt is over bloated and the only way to get out of debt is to pay down that debt,  not just slowing down on the rate the debt increases,  but actually paying on the principal,  until I see a bill that delivers that its going to be another fail by our elected leaders.  also the pork and perks in the bbb ( see my previous post on the green new deal grift  and the use of eminent domain for pipelines )  I dont see the few cuts and a little economic recovery as the way to pay down the debt,  its going to take taxes at every level, not tax cuts, but tax increases.   as we move further and further into AI I think our ability  to tax and spend will only get worse,  we are heading into one very scary time with all the jobs that will be eliminated by AI and advanced automation.  I know some see this as exciting times thinking about the advances in health care and other things,  I just wonder if we remove a large part of the working class,  who will be able to afford to enjoy the new world,  and who will be paying down that debt?

It’s very clear how you feel, Jimmy, and I agree with some of what you’re saying, but the numbers just don’t match the subject of your post.  He’s doing what most supporters want him to do.  Most are willing to take some not so good things due to the abundance of very good things he’s doing.  I would say these polls totally fit the sentiment of my group of Trump friends.  Rasmussen has been one of the most consistent and accurate pollsters for some time now..

https://www.newsmatwitter.com/newsfront/...d/1219321/

[JimmyinSD]

It’s very clear how you feel, Jimmy, and I agree with some of what you’re saying, but the numbers just don’t match the subject of your post.  He’s doing what most supporters want him to do.  Most are willing to take some not so good things due to the abundance of very good things he’s doing.  I would say these polls totally fit the sentiment of my group of Trump friends.  Rasmussen has been one of the most consistent and accurate pollsters for some time now..

https://www.newsmatwitter.com/newsfront/...d/1219321/

I keep saying "MOST" I never implied that his wagon was empty,  I have simply implied that there are quite a few of his supporters that are not happy with some of the things he or his administration has said or done over the past few weeks/couple months.  and as I have said,  polls can be ridiculously biased and misleading,  how many polls showed trump getting his ass kicked in 16... until he didnt.

I am simply saying that listening to talk radio, podcasts, listening in the bar, and reading comments on SM that people that were squarely in his corner a year ago,  are not as happy with him right now.   I can find links to support my claims too...

  https://www.azcentral.com/story/news/pol...282856007/

A Reuters/Ipsos poll reported that, as of July 16, 41% of those surveyed gave him a favorable approval rating of his performance in office.
The Economist shows that 41% of people are favorable of Trump and 55% are unfavorable of him, according to the latest update from July 18.
A Rasmussen Reports poll from July 18 showed 50% approval and 48% disapproval of Trump.
A Morning Consult poll updated July 14 showed 47% approve and 50% disapprove.
The American Research Group poll from June 17-20 showed 37% approve and 59% disapprove.

I believe that reuters had him at closer to 50% not to long ago,  I dont recall the others and honestly I dont care what they say,  you dont have to believe what I am sharing that I am hearing,  it really makes no difference to me and honestly it shouldnt for you either.

and if you dont believe me now, wait until summit carbon solutions files for federal eminent domain for a CO2 pipeline through Iowa and South and North Dakota for their "Green" initiate tax payer boondoggle.... SD voters came out against that pipeline at about the same level that we have supported Trump. you like pipelines when they arent on your land, endangering your family. I dont have a dog in this fight except that I stand for land owner rights and when voluntary participation is well below 70%, some say as below 50%, then maybe its not really in the publics best interest.

[Waterboy]

I'm not sure what to make of this, only that Trump is heading the right direction and the other side may need to join in to really find anything out. I don't trust an Obama judge to do a damn thing that will hurt the Dems in any way.

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2025/07...ase-makes/

[Waterboy]

I think he needs to stay the course and continue to do as much as possible to get the Epstein files out there. I clearly don't see the administration as the hold-up here, though Bondi's communication and Trump's to a lesser degree has been far from stellar.

https://www.newsmatwitter.com/politics/p...d/1220069/

[badgervike]

I saw this one today and had to laugh.  The Democrats posted this to go after Trump.  They deleted it shortly after as they were widely mocked.  You want to talk about a self own.  So...grocery prices were low under Trump pre-Covid.  They raised significantly during Covid and never came back down under Biden.  Prices continued to rise at a slower rate after....and the Democrats think the point is that prices haven't come down under Trump in all categories.  It's funny they go back to July, 2024 so that they can blame Trump for the increases at the end of Biden's term. You want to talk about a self own.   

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[Waterboy]

This guy has been as accurate or more accurate than any major pollster over the last three cycles. Common sense tells you he’s right.

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2025/07...l-getting/

[JimmyinSD]

This guy has been as accurate or more accurate than any major pollster over the last three cycles.  Common sense tells you he’s right.

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2025/07...l-getting/

Lol...common sense,  sure.  Put down the spin machines and just get out and talk to real people.  There are a lot of trump supporters that are not nearly as enamored with him the last few months than earlier on in this term.  

I dont know ow where you live,  but I think SD is pretty conservative and I hear plenty of bitching about this or that..  but pollsters dont seem to call here much.