Have you have Covid Vaccine yet?

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@JimmyinSD said:

Lol.  We know some people in higher places here and found out the governor was going to close us down last March several hours before it started leaking.  First place I went was the liquor store!!! I snatched up enough to be depressed for a couple months. 

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Pfizer says COVID-19 vaccine works in kids ages 5 to 11

By LAURAN NEERGAARD Associated PressSeptember 20, 2021 — 8:05am

Pfizer said Monday its COVID-19 vaccine works for children ages 5 to 11 and that it will seek U.S. authorization for this age group soon — a key step toward beginning vaccinations for youngsters.

The vaccine made by Pfizer and its German partner BioNTech already is available for anyone 12 and older. But with kids now back in school and the extra-contagious delta variant causing a huge jump in pediatric infections, many parents are anxiously awaiting vaccinations for their younger children.
For elementary school-aged kids, Pfizer tested a much lower dose — a third of the amount that's in each shot given now. Yet after their second dose, children ages 5 to 11 developed coronavirus-fighting antibody levels just as strong as teenagers and young adults getting the regular-strength shots, Dr. Bill Gruber, a Pfizer senior vice president, told The Associated Press.
The kid dosage also proved safe, with similar or fewer temporary side effects — such as sore arms, fever or achiness — that teens experience, he said.
"I think we really hit the sweet spot," said Gruber, who's also a pediatrician.
Gruber said the companies aim to apply to the Food and Drug Administration by the end of the month for emergency use in this age group, followed shortly afterward with applications to European and British regulators.
Earlier this month, FDA chief Dr. Peter Marks told the AP that once Pfizer turns over its study results, his agency would evaluate the data "hopefully in a matter of weeks" to decide if the shots are safe and effective enough for younger kids.
An outside expert said scientists want to see more details but called the report encouraging.
"These topline results are very good news," said Dr. Jesse Goodman of Georgetown University, a former FDA vaccine chief. The level of immune response Pfizer reported "appears likely to be protective."

Many Western countries so far have vaccinated no younger than age 12, awaiting evidence of what's the right dose and that it works safely. Cuba last week began immunizing children as young as 2 with its homegrown vaccines and Chinese regulators have cleared two of its brands down to age 3.
While kids are at lower risk of severe illness or death than older people, more than 5 million children in the U.S. have tested positive for COVID-19 since the pandemic began and at least 460 have died, according to the American Academy of Pediatrics. Cases in children have risen as the delta variant swept through the country.
https://www.startribune.com/pfizer-says-...600098990/

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Fully vaccinated people make up less than 1% of COVID deathsScientists knew the COVID-19 vaccines were highly effective at preventing severe disease and death, but they didn’t know exactly how effective until the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention released data showing what experts called a “modern miracle.”
As of Oct. 12, the agency found only 7,178 deaths occurred among fully vaccinated people in the U.S. In a country that has reported more than 720,000 COVID-related deaths, the fully vaccinated make up less than 1%
“We were all hoping for something to help save our neighbors and our patients and certainly this data is tremendous,” said Dr. Joseph Teel, vice chair of clinical operations for the department of family medicine and community health at Penn Medicine. “It’s a modern miracle in many ways.”
The vaccine is not a miracle because it worked, health experts say. Scientists have been working on mRNA technology for more than 30 years for other diseases. The COVID-19 vaccine is a miracle because it worked so well despite the uncertainty of a new disease among a diverse population, an unprecedented scale-up and a lack of uptake.
— Adrianna Rodriguez, USA TODAY

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@purplefaithful said:
Fully vaccinated people make up less than 1% of COVID deathsScientists knew the COVID-19 vaccines were highly effective at preventing severe disease and death, but they didn’t know exactly how effective until the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention released data showing what experts called a “modern miracle.”
As of Oct. 12, the agency found only 7,178 deaths occurred among fully vaccinated people in the U.S. In a country that has reported more than 720,000 COVID-related deaths, the fully vaccinated make up less than 1%
“We were all hoping for something to help save our neighbors and our patients and certainly this data is tremendous,” said Dr. Joseph Teel, vice chair of clinical operations for the department of family medicine and community health at Penn Medicine. “It’s a modern miracle in many ways.”
The vaccine is not a miracle because it worked, health experts say. Scientists have been working on mRNA technology for more than 30 years for other diseases. The COVID-19 vaccine is a miracle because it worked so well despite the uncertainty of a new disease among a diverse population, an unprecedented scale-up and a lack of uptake.
— Adrianna Rodriguez, USA TODAY

I'm way way pro vaccine but you can't count all the 720k vs the vaccine.  The vaccine wasn't fully available for a huge chunk of those deaths. 

Its really only fair to start comparing deaths since say July 1 or so?  Was everyone who wanted a shot able to get it by then?

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@AGRforever said:

@purplefaithful said:
Fully vaccinated people make up less than 1% of COVID deathsScientists knew the COVID-19 vaccines were highly effective at preventing severe disease and death, but they didn’t know exactly how effective until the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention released data showing what experts called a “modern miracle.”
As of Oct. 12, the agency found only 7,178 deaths occurred among fully vaccinated people in the U.S. In a country that has reported more than 720,000 COVID-related deaths, the fully vaccinated make up less than 1%
“We were all hoping for something to help save our neighbors and our patients and certainly this data is tremendous,” said Dr. Joseph Teel, vice chair of clinical operations for the department of family medicine and community health at Penn Medicine. “It’s a modern miracle in many ways.”
The vaccine is not a miracle because it worked, health experts say. Scientists have been working on mRNA technology for more than 30 years for other diseases. The COVID-19 vaccine is a miracle because it worked so well despite the uncertainty of a new disease among a diverse population, an unprecedented scale-up and a lack of uptake.
— Adrianna Rodriguez, USA TODAY

I'm way way pro vaccine but you can't count all the 720k vs the vaccine.  The vaccine wasn't fully available for a huge chunk of those deaths. 

Its really only fair to start comparing deaths since say July 1 or so?  Was everyone who wanted a shot able to get it by then?

this 100%,   completely misleading....but damn its got shock factor!

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and now some at the CDC are basically saying herd immunity is a myth with this virus.... now that cat is out of the bag good luck with getting many more to cross over and get vaccinated.  honestly I am starting to think that those of a healthy condition and low risk age should treat this like parents used to handle chicken pox with their young kids... just get exposed intentionally and get your antibodies going the natural way.

I am not anti vaccine, nor am I going to tell anybody that they have to get it,  but it is discouraging, but at the same time refreshing,  to have the so called experts finally admit that they are really throwing darts blind folded on this this shit.

https://www.latimes.com/science/story/20...d-immunity

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@JimmyinSD said:
and now some at the CDC are basically saying herd immunity is a myth with this virus.... now that cat is out of the bag good luck with getting many more to cross over and get vaccinated.  honestly I am starting to think that those of a healthy condition and low risk age should treat this like parents used to handle chicken pox with their young kids... just get exposed intentionally and get your antibodies going the natural way.

I am not anti vaccine, nor am I going to tell anybody that they have to get it,  but it is discouraging, but at the same time refreshing,  to have the so called experts finally admit that they are really throwing darts blind folded on this this shit.

https://www.latimes.com/science/story/20...d-immunity

If true then your idea would be no better than getting the vaccination. The reason that we may have problems with herd immunity is because of mutation which is largely happening in unvaccinated or non-previously affected populations. You are still MUCH better off getting the vaccine and giving your body the tools it needs to deal with it when it encounters the virus.

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@Mike Olson said:

@JimmyinSD said:
and now some at the CDC are basically saying herd immunity is a myth with this virus.... now that cat is out of the bag good luck with getting many more to cross over and get vaccinated.  honestly I am starting to think that those of a healthy condition and low risk age should treat this like parents used to handle chicken pox with their young kids... just get exposed intentionally and get your antibodies going the natural way.

I am not anti vaccine, nor am I going to tell anybody that they have to get it,  but it is discouraging, but at the same time refreshing,  to have the so called experts finally admit that they are really throwing darts blind folded on this this shit.

https://www.latimes.com/science/story/20...d-immunity

If true then your idea would be no better than getting the vaccination. The reason that we may have problems with herd immunity is because of mutation which is largely happening in unvaccinated or non-previously affected populations. You are still MUCH better off getting the vaccine and giving your body the tools it needs to deal with it when it encounters the virus.

The main four current mutations all happened pre-vaccine. 

The numbers dont lie (only politicians) youre much better off getting vaccinated then you are going without. 

I’m actually optomistic that covid-2 burns itself out. 

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@AGRforever said:

@Mike Olson said:

@JimmyinSD said:
and now some at the CDC are basically saying herd immunity is a myth with this virus.... now that cat is out of the bag good luck with getting many more to cross over and get vaccinated.  honestly I am starting to think that those of a healthy condition and low risk age should treat this like parents used to handle chicken pox with their young kids... just get exposed intentionally and get your antibodies going the natural way.

I am not anti vaccine, nor am I going to tell anybody that they have to get it,  but it is discouraging, but at the same time refreshing,  to have the so called experts finally admit that they are really throwing darts blind folded on this this shit.

https://www.latimes.com/science/story/20...d-immunity

If true then your idea would be no better than getting the vaccination. The reason that we may have problems with herd immunity is because of mutation which is largely happening in unvaccinated or non-previously affected populations. You are still MUCH better off getting the vaccine and giving your body the tools it needs to deal with it when it encounters the virus.

The main four current mutations all happened pre-vaccine. 

The numbers dont lie (only politicians) youre much better off getting vaccinated then you are going without. 

I’m actually optomistic that covid-2 burns itself out. 

Heard a story today about how Israel had very good reaponse after a third round if vaccination. I am not sure if that was administered after four weeks like the standard second shot or if after 6 months like the booster.

I have had it, been through two rounds of vax, and have been boosted. So I think I am pretty safe. Fingers crossed and all that.

If anyone chooses to not get vaxed I sincerely hope that they remain healthy!

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@Mike Olson said:

@JimmyinSD said:
and now some at the CDC are basically saying herd immunity is a myth with this virus.... now that cat is out of the bag good luck with getting many more to cross over and get vaccinated.  honestly I am starting to think that those of a healthy condition and low risk age should treat this like parents used to handle chicken pox with their young kids... just get exposed intentionally and get your antibodies going the natural way.

I am not anti vaccine, nor am I going to tell anybody that they have to get it,  but it is discouraging, but at the same time refreshing,  to have the so called experts finally admit that they are really throwing darts blind folded on this this shit.

https://www.latimes.com/science/story/20...d-immunity

If true then your idea would be no better than getting the vaccination. The reason that we may have problems with herd immunity is because of mutation which is largely happening in unvaccinated or non-previously affected populations. You are still MUCH better off getting the vaccine and giving your body the tools it needs to deal with it when it encounters the virus.

Except that studies are showing a stronger and longer immune response from actually developing natural antibodies vs the vaccine that carries no long term response mechanism.( i have read some reports questioning it effectiveness past 4 to 6 months. Hence the idea of the younger population getting infected while they are at the lowest risk (virtually none) of any serious affects from the virus.  Its essentially how traditional vaccines were built.