Murray by the numbers

[medaille]

I’d guess they have relatively even splits for about 2 weeks, then give one guy more reps from then on out. I think the damage you do with a sham competition probably outweighs the benefits of even having a competition. Be better off just naming a starter day one at that point. I doubt the receivers are really going to be able to build that much chemistry with Kyler in training camp. The point they need the most chemistry with is when the play breaks down and they need to backyard football but be on the same wavelength, and I just don’t think you can really practice that when there’s not really a threat of the getting hit.

[purplefaithful]

I’d guess they have relatively even splits for about 2 weeks, then give one guy more reps from then on out.  I think the damage you do with a sham competition probably outweighs the benefits of even having a competition.  Be better off just naming a starter day one at that point.  I doubt the receivers are really going to be able to build that much chemistry with Kyler in training camp.  The point they need the most chemistry with is when the play breaks down and they need to backyard football but be on the same wavelength, and I just don’t think you can really practice that when there’s not really a threat of the getting hit.

Agreed....I think the real work is with the joint practices these days over any PS games anymore. Those days are gone, other than to stack depth.

[IceRatz16]

IMO, this just further stunts McCarthy's growth.  Competition is not what he needs, he needs reps.  I am still baffled by all of this fiasco.


I really couldn't care less about Murray's stats.  I see him play almost every Sunday and have had him on my fantasy keeper team the last two years as a last pick, so really just a value pick who provided me with top 15 starter numbers most weeks.  But he definitely struggles in some games and cannot seem to get much going at times.  I still don't love that he's here.  It's amazing to have his caliber of play for only $1.3M, but what is the plan?  Is he going to be leading this team?  Is he going to win a playoff game with us this year?  Is he going to stay healthy all year?  Is he going to win a Super Bowl with us this year?  What happens after this year?


I just don't recall a situation ever occurring like this when a top 10 QB pick gets 10 games and then is told he needs to compete to win his job back.  What a freaking joke.

[MAD GAINZ]

IMO, this just further stunts McCarthy's growth.  Competition is not what he needs, he needs reps.  I am still baffled by all of this fiasco.


I really couldn't care less about Murray's stats.  I see him play almost every Sunday and have had him on my fantasy keeper team the last two years as a last pick, so really just a value pick who provided me with top 15 starter numbers most weeks.  But he definitely struggles in some games and cannot seem to get much going at times.  I still don't love that he's here.  It's amazing to have his caliber of play for only $1.3M, but what is the plan?  Is he going to be leading this team?  Is he going to win a playoff game with us this year?  Is he going to stay healthy all year?  Is he going to win a Super Bowl with us this year?  What happens after this year?


I just don't recall a situation ever occurring like this when a top 10 QB pick gets 10 games and then is told he needs to compete to win his job back.  What a freaking joke.

That's kind of where I'm at. I don't get to see JJ McCarthy every day in practice and around the building, all I can go off is what I see in games.  Maybe KOC doesn't like how he handles himself in games or he isn't able to fix his throwing mechanics to take advantage of the routes in this offense?  KOC seemed frustrated by JJ at times during the season, but if he was expecting him to play like a veteran and execute his entire offense, then JJ McCarthy was set up to fail.

Ideally, JJ McCarthy would get a true chance to compete and keep the job.  If he stinks it up, we can always switch to Kyler.  Problem is I think the Vikings have already moved on and if Kyler is the starter, that leaves JJ on the outs.  He'll be a backup this year and then traded in the off-season regardless of how this all plays out. You don't bench your top 10 QB pick after 10 starts and then turn back to him.

[supafreak84]

I just don't recall a situation ever occurring like this when a top 10 QB pick gets 10 games and then is told he needs to compete to win his job back.  What a freaking joke.

It's the Viking way...and the reality is this is all about OConnell trying save his own ass and the "whisperer" retracting like a turtle when it comes to McCarthy and his commitment to developing him. Instead of trusting in his own coaching to continue to bring along a 23 year old who's only played in 10 pro games, we are back to doing the same old/same old in bringing in a vet on a short term deal hoping to generate enough wins for OConnell to save his job. Knowing everything that we do about OConnell, the Murray pairing is a strange one. Bring out all the random statistics you want. Its like I said, if OConnell wants to dig his own grave here..have at it. I'll shed no tears if we are looking for a new head coach next January.

[StickierBuns]

IMO, this just further stunts McCarthy's growth.  Competition is not what he needs, he needs reps.  I am still baffled by all of this fiasco.


I really couldn't care less about Murray's stats.  I see him play almost every Sunday and have had him on my fantasy keeper team the last two years as a last pick, so really just a value pick who provided me with top 15 starter numbers most weeks.  But he definitely struggles in some games and cannot seem to get much going at times.  I still don't love that he's here.  It's amazing to have his caliber of play for only $1.3M, but what is the plan?  Is he going to be leading this team?  Is he going to win a playoff game with us this year?  Is he going to stay healthy all year?  Is he going to win a Super Bowl with us this year?  What happens after this year?


I just don't recall a situation ever occurring like this when a top 10 QB pick gets 10 games and then is told he needs to compete to win his job back.  What a freaking joke.

Ice, its not about JJM anymore. The more you get into the nuances of everything, including a 'competition', you see how it can't be anymore and wasn't the moment Murray signed....hell, maybe before that. In rhetoric only. I agree and have always said its the reps he won't be getting that will gut his future with the team, how could it not? So if you think KOC is a good coach, you give him the slight benefit of the doubt until proven otherwise. Not sure what else to do because I'm not going to grouse and bitch about it all summer on this board....I'll save that for if shit hits the fan.

If McCarthy becomes a QB1, it won't be in Minnesota. I don't understand how a guy says 'organization fail QBs' and then goes ahead and fails a QB, but I just watch the games. KOC has determined JJ isn't the future obviously, so my head is pretty much wrapped around it now and I'm moving forward. Still don't agree with the direction. Only time will tell who's right.

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It's the Viking way...and the reality is this is all about OConnell trying save his own ass and the "whisperer" retracting like a turtle when it comes to McCarthy and his commitment to developing him. Instead of trusting in his own coaching to continue to bring along a 23 year old who's only played in 10 pro games, we are back to doing the same old/same old in bringing in a vet on a short term deal hoping to generate enough wins for OConnell to save his job. Knowing everything that we do about OConnell, the Murray pairing is a strange one. Bring out all the random statistics you want. Its like I said, if OConnell wants to dig his own grave here..have at it. I'll shed no tears if we are looking for a new head coach next January.

Not sure if he's digging his own grave or not, I still have a lot of faith in KOC, but I won't dismiss what you say here either. I guess we'll see. Fans expectations should begin at 10 wins as a floor, that goes without saying. A few fans seem all in already, but lets not confuse an exciting player with a player that's going to help produce wins. Big difference. I'm a Viking's fan, so that's my hope. But I'll have to see it before I take more than a cursory polite sip of the Purple Kool Aid.

[MaroonBells]

IMO, this just further stunts McCarthy's growth.  Competition is not what he needs, he needs reps.  I am still baffled by all of this fiasco.

I really couldn't care less about Murray's stats.  I see him play almost every Sunday and have had him on my fantasy keeper team the last two years as a last pick, so really just a value pick who provided me with top 15 starter numbers most weeks.  But he definitely struggles in some games and cannot seem to get much going at times.  I still don't love that he's here.  It's amazing to have his caliber of play for only $1.3M, but what is the plan?  Is he going to be leading this team?  Is he going to win a playoff game with us this year?  Is he going to stay healthy all year?  Is he going to win a Super Bowl with us this year?  What happens after this year?

I just don't recall a situation ever occurring like this when a top 10 QB pick gets 10 games and then is told he needs to compete to win his job back.  What a freaking joke.

Make sure Kyler Murray is on your fantasy team this year. You can thank me later.

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That's kind of where I'm at. I don't get to see JJ McCarthy every day in practice and around the building, all I can go off is what I see in games.  Maybe KOC doesn't like how he handles himself in games or he isn't able to fix his throwing mechanics to take advantage of the routes in this offense?  KOC seemed frustrated by JJ at times during the season, but if he was expecting him to play like a veteran and execute his entire offense, then JJ McCarthy was set up to fail.

Ideally, JJ McCarthy would get a true chance to compete and keep the job.  If he stinks it up, we can always switch to Kyler.  Problem is I think the Vikings have already moved on and if Kyler is the starter, that leaves JJ on the outs.  He'll be a backup this year and then traded in the off-season regardless of how this all plays out. You don't bench your top 10 QB pick after 10 starts and then turn back to him.

Well, at least you admit you haven’t seen JJ McCarthy in practice…or in meetings…or on the sidelines.

[StickierBuns]

 You don't bench your top 10 QB pick after 10 starts and then turn back to him.

This^

Its the only thing I've ever said about this with the strongest intent. Its never happened before and it sure as hell isn't going to happen now. Why some fans think this isn't the case is honestly astounding to me. Its the the most glaring lack-of-faith move that KOC could make and he's making it. Even if Murray shits the bed in Minnesota, they are DONE with McCarthy. So it is what it is and KOC needs to keep his yapper shut about organizations failing QBs because in hindsight it now  sounds naive and self-serving. The moral: not every QB can be coached up.

I believe in KOC + KOC is in on Kyler Murray = a big year for Minnesota. Simple math. Anything else and maybe another baby, a very tall one, is going to go out with the bathwater as well. I sincerely hope that isn't the case and I'd rather just be very wrong about JJM than being wrong about KOC.

[pattersaur]

I was told to throw out kyler's stats

[StickierBuns]

I was told to throw out kyler's stats

lol, yeah because so many here did the same with JJM's stats.