The only QB scenario we should be talking about

[purplefaithful]

If the Vikings existed only for my own personal amusement, I might agree with you. Problem is, there are jobs on the line. There are elite players on this team whose patience has had an expiration date.

fixed it!

[supafreak84]

If the Wilf's would have decided Kwesi's fate right after the season they could have gotten a new GM on board in time for free  agency instead they decided to go with familiarity and give the temporary title to Brzezinski.  They would still have time to hire a GM in time for the draft but no lets just see how the new triangle works out.  If they hire Brzezinski to be full time GM wonder who takes over as the cap guy, he would not have time for both jobs, oh I know let KOC have that power also.

In another head scratcher I read that Josh McCown got a new title added to his name.  He is now the passing game coordinator and quarterback coach.  Things can only go up from here.

It's highly speculated that Brzez doesn't want the job and only agreed to take over for this short transition period as the Wilfs "go to" guy when they need to get something done. Brzez was the guy who bartered the Thielen trade after the Wilfs told him to get it done...not Kwesi. This just further illustrates the dysfunction of this organization under Wilf ownership. The "Triangle of authority" was a colossal bust the first go around, so what would lead anybody to believe it turns out any different this time? The Wilfs put too much into "collaboration" and not enough into just having one voice with a long term vision who knows their shit when it comes to the draft, free agency, and roster building. Always trying to reinvent the wheel...

[medaille]

I don’t think this is really much of a triangle of authority.

I think KOC’s got one year to continue the plan we’ve had in place, to win a playoff game, and to show that he really is a QB whisperer with either JJM or whichever castoff we can bring in. I think KOC is going to have for the most part his pick of draft picks and Brez is just going to be a guy to bounce ideas off, and manage the rest of the scouts and their day to day activities and also be the voice of reason in the case that KOC tries to do something detrimental to the future versions of the team, like go out and mortgage the future by spending a ton in FA to try and save his job.

I think if KOC fails to develop JJM or a veteran and/or fails to win a playoff game, he’s out. I don’t really think we needed to bring in a different GM to muddy the water this offseason or develop a vision or a plan. We already have those. The plan we had in the past included this upcoming offseason. They spent big in FA last year because they traded a bunch of picks to try and get a QB. This year, it’s more about the draft. I think you get the roster the way KOC wants, and then bring in a GM to get acclimated to the group, and I’m fine with that. I think the only real weirdness is if KOC does well after having noticeable roster say, can they pull that away from KOC and pivot back to a GM with roster authority?

[JR44]

Like I said a few weeks ago, every fan of this organization wants McCarthy to be the starter for better or for worse because we want the questions to be emphatically answered. Too small a sample size and we want to know if he can stay healthy for a full season. Bringing in a one year veteran rental to start (of which the names have bern discussed), does nothing in answering those questions or getting this team to a Super Bowl, so what's the point, right? Unfortunately we have coaches on short leashes and instead of making the best long term decision at quarterback, they are going to do what's best for them to keep their jobs. That's why I say, firing Kwesi when we did and not immediately bringing in a new GM to run the operation with a long term view, is just the latest in a long line of poor decisions by ownership. We are all just unfortunately along for the ride while the Wilfs fumble and bumble their way through another offseason

I think for us it is a small sample size as we only have gotten to see him play in 10 games.  However, for the coaches and players, they have a much larger view of him from being through two full pre seasons and practices during the regular season.  At the level of experience of the coaches and players, I think they have a much more solid view on whether or not they think JJM is the guy moving forward.  I have no idea what that is, but I think we will find out based on the QB they pick up, if it is someone like Cousins who is more of a backup at this point or if they make a trade for a younger guy with more upside.

[Vikesrock]

I don’t think this is really much of a triangle of authority.

I think KOC’s got one year to continue the plan we’ve had in place, to win a playoff game, and to show that he really is a QB whisperer with either JJM or whichever castoff we can bring in.  I think KOC is going to have for the most part his pick of draft picks and Brez is just going to be a guy to bounce ideas off, and manage the rest of the scouts and their day to day activities and also be the voice of reason in the case that KOC tries to do something detrimental to the future versions of the team, like go out and mortgage the future by spending a ton in FA to try and save his job.

I think if KOC fails to develop JJM or a veteran and/or fails to win a playoff game, he’s out.  I don’t really think we needed to bring in a different GM to muddy the water this offseason or develop a vision or a plan.  We already have those.  The plan we had in the past included this upcoming offseason.  They spent big in FA last year because they traded a bunch of picks to try and get a QB.  This year, it’s more about the draft.  I think you get the roster the way KOC wants, and then bring in a GM to get acclimated to the group, and I’m fine with that.  I think the only real weirdness is if KOC does well after having noticeable roster say, can they pull that away from KOC and pivot back to a GM with roster authority?

But this is the trap we keep playing in to.  Over and over again a short time, short sighted goal and be damned the long term success of the organization.  I think, as Supa was saying, the correct long term health of the team is a proper GM with the aspect and sights set on the future and a Super Bowl. That way, if we do need to look for a new college QB in 2027, we can without worrying about everyone's job.  At some point KOC is either going to be fired or leave, and that can't ever be a primary deciding factor on the future of the team any farther then who the head coach will be.  I think with KOC and Flores being the primary roster builders now, of course their primary function is going to be save their own hide, and not necessarily the teams future.  Realistically though, the best steps the team could take right now is to find out if JJM is the guy, or be ready to take the next guy in 2027, when there is some guys to be taken...

Anyways, I hate to say, this really all is probably just a pipe dream, considering how the organization has been run since, well forever, even before the Wilfs.

[StickierBuns]

During the latest episode of the “Scoop City” podcast, Diannia Russini of The Athletic claims she doesn’t believe the Vikings will pursue Cousins. Instead, she thinks the franchise is going to focus on developing JJ McCarthy.

“Minnesota, to me, it makes sense [to sign Cousins] on paper, but I just don’t see it happening, I don’t,” said Russini. “I think they really want to develop JJ. I really think they want to get JJ going. And I learned that actually, this week, more than ever.”

Russini also agreed with Palmer that even if the Vikings are all in on developing McCarthy, it doesn’t necessarily rule the club out from acquiring a veteran this offseason. So, Cousins could still be in play, but Russini thinks Minnesota is more likely to pursue a different option.

[JimmyinSD]

During the latest episode of the “Scoop City” podcast, Diannia Russini of The Athletic claims she doesn’t believe the Vikings will pursue Cousins. Instead, she thinks the franchise is going to focus on developing JJ McCarthy.

“Minnesota, to me, it makes sense [to sign Cousins] on paper, but I just don’t see it happening, I don’t,” said Russini. “I think they really want to develop JJ. I really think they want to get JJ going. And I learned that actually, this week, more than ever.”

Russini also agreed with Palmer that even if the Vikings are all in on developing McCarthy, it doesn’t necessarily rule the club out from acquiring a veteran this offseason. So, Cousins could still be in play, but Russini thinks Minnesota is more likely to pursue a different option.

If we are bringing in a QB, why not somebody thay may have a future with the team?  Cousins, Wilson and to some extent Carr dont fill that role.  I dont like Murray at all,  but would prefer that shit show over cousins and Wilson.   I think Carr could have a few good years left with minimal interruption to JJMs development,   but cousins and Wilson would be a distraction not worth the time lost with JJM.

[StickierBuns]

If we are bringing in a QB, why not somebody thay may have a future with the team?  Cousins, Wilson and to some extent Carr dont fill that role.  I dont like Murray at all,  but would prefer that shit show over cousins and Wilson.   I think Carr could have a few good years left with minimal interruption to JJMs development,   but cousins and Wilson would be a distraction not worth the time lost with JJM.

I think the point is KOC doesn't want any time lost with JJM....he just wants to push him to better play and solidifying QB1. That's the whole exercise. QB2 will be improved regardless. None of these candidates are going to have 'futures' with the team, if JJ shits the bed in 2026, they'll be drafting a QB in '27 and that vet QB2 will be the bridge QB. But I firmly believe the organization believes in McCarthy, but they need to push him and have a security blanket. That's fair.

KFAN1003
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"J.J. has everything it takes to be successful in this league."

Listen back to
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[Vikesrock]

I think the point is KOC doesn't want any time lost with JJM....he just wants to push him to better play and solidifying QB1. That's the whole exercise. QB2 will be improved regardless. None of these candidates are going to have 'futures' with the team, if JJ shits the bed in 2026, they'll be drafting a QB in '27 and that vet QB2 will be the bridge QB. But I firmly believe the organization believes in McCarthy, but they need to push him and have a security blanket. That's fair.

KFAN1003
@KFAN1003
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11h
"J.J. has everything it takes to be successful in this league."

Listen back to
@PAOnTheMic
's full conversation with #Vikings Acting GM Rob Brzezinski, including their discussion on the current QB situation, on today's podcast here: https://iheart.com/podcast/462-paul-allen-26980875/

I think it would be fair to ascertain that if JJM fails, no matter if the Vikings bring in a competent backup, doesn't that spell doom for KOC?  10-7 and a first round playoff loss with Kirk Cousins is still a failure in my book.

[StickierBuns]

I think it would be fair to ascertain that if JJM fails, no matter if the Vikings bring in a competent backup, doesn't that spell doom for KOC?  10-7 and a first round playoff loss with Kirk Cousins is still a failure in my book.

JMO, but I think KOC is on pretty firm ground with the Wilfs. Let's all remember: JJM was the 5th QB taken. 5th. And as much as I love JJ, he wasn't KOC's first choice....or probably second. But having said that, JJ is a rawer version of what KOC loves about QBs. 

Agreed about trotting Kirko out there for a 1st round loss in the playoffs. Its meaningless. What I think fans will see come May is a bigger, more decisive JJ McCarthy and he's going to own the position. He loves to compete.

If KOC had a crystal ball and knew what kind of season Uncle Sammy would have, Minnesota would have never drafted a QB. He's perfect for what KOC likes to do. But that's not how it works.