Marshawn Kneeland

[medaille]

How about learning all the facts before indeed making it political, which you do often.  Kneeland was suffering from severe mental illness and had expressed suicidal thoughts well before this incident.  The night he killed himself he had told his family he was going to kill himself, it is unclear of the timeline and if it was before or after a routine traffic stop, not that it matters.  You post is completely based on assumptions and your own perceptions.  This was not as you are trying to portray it.  What happened was a complete tragedy, a young man had been suffering and needed help and tragically leaves his family, a girlfriend and teammates.  It is heartbreaking and the moment of silence was very appropriate.  We have seen it with our own players with Griffin, Underwood and others how mental illness can destroy lives. 

The lack of empathy and jumping to conclusions and demonstrating personal prejudicial view is really disappointing and disturbing.  This is a time to recognize how widespread mental illness is in our society and to be aware of others in your life who may need support.

I agree that in this situation, (caveat, I did not watch TNF, but did read reports), the moment of silence has little to do with the police.

Regarding your comment about lack of empathy, I don’t think you should be that surprised by it or feign outrage over it.  This is the time we live in.  Everybody is in their own echo chamber.  Leftists included.  Everyone’s algorithm is trying to pit everyone against each other.  I think leftists are clearly less empathetic than right-leaning folks, and their lack of finding the humanity in the other half of the country is why they are struggling politically.

[purplefaithful]

I agree that in this situation, (caveat, I did not watch TNF, but did read reports), the moment of silence has little to do with the police.

Regarding your comment about lack of empathy, I don’t think you should be that surprised by it or feign outrage over it.  This is the time we live in.  Everybody is in their own echo chamber.  Leftists included.  Everyone’s algorithm is trying to pit everyone against each other.  I think leftists are clearly less empathetic than right-leaning folks, and their lack of finding the humanity in the other half of the country is why they are struggling politically.

The dems are struggling politically because they have no leadership, vision and cant get it through their skulls people are worried most about paying bills, eating dinner and not about tampons in bathrooms and DEI. 

My wife goes off on Trump every other hour and I remind her to be po'd at the dems first, her anger needs to be re-directed. Their mis-steps made it much easier for a republican to win the white house. 

I also think its more difficult for the Dems to have one, singular vision that checks the boxes for a much more diverse voting base than the conservatives. You wont please all.

[supafreak84]

How about learning all the facts before indeed making it political, which you do often.  Kneeland was suffering from severe mental illness and had expressed suicidal thoughts well before this incident.  The night he killed himself he had told his family he was going to kill himself, it is unclear of the timeline and if it was before or after a routine traffic stop, not that it matters.  You post is completely based on assumptions and your own perceptions.  This was not as you are trying to portray it.  What happened was a complete tragedy, a young man had been suffering and needed help and tragically leaves his family, a girlfriend and teammates.  It is heartbreaking and the moment of silence was very appropriate.  We have seen it with our own players with Griffin, Underwood and others how mental illness can destroy lives. 

The lack of empathy and jumping to conclusions and demonstrating personal prejudicial view is really disappointing and disturbing.  This is a time to recognize how widespread mental illness is in our society and to be aware of others in your life who may need support.

Here are the facts. He was involved in a high speed pursuit with police where he failed to stop for an unknown traffic violation. The car was later found crashed and the driver missing. A search was conducted for the driver. Police were sent to Kneelands house as the vehicle was registered to him and nobody answered. Approximately 40 minutes later, Police were once again sent to Kneelands house after several friends received a strange "goodbye" text from Kneeland and were concerned. Once again, no answer. Approximately two hours later Police find Kneeland dead of an apparent self inflicted gunshot would in a porta-potty a short distance away from the crash sight. So he obviously was driving with a gun in the car that he took with him when he bolted from the crash, was running from the cops, and if I were a betting man I would guess he was either drunk or had other substances on board at the time. 

Tragic sure, but moment of silence worthy prior to a nationally broadcast NFL game....certainly not.

[hogjowlsjohnny]

I agree that in this situation, (caveat, I did not watch TNF, but did read reports), the moment of silence has little to do with the police.

Regarding your comment about lack of empathy, I don’t think you should be that surprised by it or feign outrage over it.  This is the time we live in.  Everybody is in their own echo chamber.  Leftists included.  Everyone’s algorithm is trying to pit everyone against each other.  I think leftists are clearly less empathetic than right-leaning folks, and their lack of finding the humanity in the other half of the country is why they are struggling politically.

I thought it was a very good post by JR44 also. Primarily because he took the politics out of the situation. Then you had to reinsert politics in your last paragraph. Be a better world if people didn't feel compelled to politicize everything!

[JimmyinSD]

The dems are struggling politically because they have no leadership, vision and cant get it through their skulls people are worried most about paying bills, eating dinner and not about tampons in bathrooms and DEI. 

My wife goes off on Trump every other hour and I remind her to be po'd at the dems first, her anger needs to be re-directed. Their mis-steps made it much easier for a republican to win the white house. 

I also think its more difficult for the Dems to have one, singular vision that checks the boxes for a much more diverse voting base than the conservatives. You wont please all.

I dont know that I agree with that as a historical point.  I think as the Dems move farther and farther left,   as they create more "protected classes" it further fractures their base and creates more "Republicans"  and with the shift of the Dems away from center,  and more former moderate Dems now finding themselves right of center,  it is creating a much more diverse and challenging base to maintain when it comes to party vision and unified support.  Ultimately I think you will see the republican party fracture as soon as the next presidential cycle.

[pattersaur]

Rest in peace, Marshawn

[medaille]

I thought it was a very good post by JR44 also. Primarily because he took the politics out of the situation. Then you had to reinsert politics in your last paragraph. Be a better world if people didn't feel compelled to politicize everything!

I’d agree with you if it was just the first paragraph, but the second one is a clear jab, and while I’m sure we can pretend like it’s not political, it's a clear slur many have used politically in the past.  I’m probably just overly-sensitive from decades of the left pretending to be the compassionate ones, and while dehumanizing the right.

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The dems are struggling politically because they have no leadership, vision and cant get it through their skulls people are worried most about paying bills, eating dinner and not about tampons in bathrooms and DEI. 

My wife goes off on Trump every other hour and I remind her to be po'd at the dems first, her anger needs to be re-directed. Their mis-steps made it much easier for a republican to win the white house. 

I also think its more difficult for the Dems to have one, singular vision that checks the boxes for a much more diverse voting base than the conservatives. You wont please all.

I dont know that I agree with that as a historical point.  I think as the Dems move farther and farther left,   as they create more "protected classes" it further fractures their base and creates more "Republicans"  and with the shift of the Dems away from center,  and more former moderate Dems now finding themselves right of center,  it is creating a much more diverse and challenging base to maintain when it comes to party vision and unified support.  Ultimately I think you will see the republican party fracture as soon as the next presidential cycle.

Both are clearly true.  Most of the issues the left seems to care about right now are only really worth caring about when everything else is going pretty smoothly.  When your kid can’t afford to go to college or to get a home, or is going to be living with you until they’re 35, the more pressing issues push those luxury beliefs out of the picture.  They’ve also had a nasty habit of vilifying everyone they disagree with, which eventually means everyone feels like the left thinks they are a villain, and why would you want to be on the side that hates you.

I think the left is like 10 years behind the right.  I think most conservatives realized their politicians were mostly people that don’t value the same things as them pre-Trump.  The left got sidelined by all the woke discussion and I think it really took the Israel-Palestine issue for them to realize their party was filled with Pro-corporation/Pro-War politicians.  I just don’t think there’s much of a future for leftist politicians who are corporate stooges that promote the killing of brown people, while pretending to care the most about brown people.

I think both parties face a similar struggle, how much longer can they parade around people that are clearly towing the party line, that aren’t addressing real issues, that are serving the needs of the lobbyists that work for the insanely wealthy, before people vote for a 3rd party candidate that does address real issues and at least pretends to serve the people.  I also think there’s a dearth of real people that have any real understanding of the mess we’re in or how to fix it.  I just don’t think there’s very many people in this country that can provide a workable solution to unaffordable housing and what a post AI economy looks like.  I think we all realize things are bad, but not many visions are coming out of how to solve them.