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OT: Coronavirus
Quote: @BigAl99 said:
@StickyBun said:
The news media I've come to loath: they are untrustworthy on both sides of the political spectrum. 
The WH is now withholding the Hospital Data from the CDC, pretty sure the New's media isn't the issue.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/trump-...li=BBnb7Kz

Reading that article I dont get that impression,  the CDC will still have access to the data,  they just won't be the ones tasked with being the central reporting point for states and hospitals.  Sounds like the whole reporting thing has been a shit fest to date as it is,  and also according to the article,  even some opposing this particular approach suggest that a change may have been necessary.   Perhaps this change will be better,  perhaps not,  but the headline is certainly misleading IMO. 
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A little good news on this s hitty Covid front???  

If this works, it's truly remarkable given the time since the first news was coming out of Wuhan in December.




First COVID-19 vaccine tested in US poised for final testing
By LAURAN NEERGAARD Associated PressJuly 14, 2020 — 7:15pm
The first COVID-19 vaccine tested in the U.S. revved up people’s immune systems just the way scientists had hoped, researchers reported Tuesday -- as the shots are poised to begin key final testing.
“No matter how you slice this, this is good news,” Dr. Anthony Fauci, the U.S. government’s top infectious disease expert, told The Associated Press.
The experimental vaccine, developed by Fauci’s colleagues at the National Institutes of Health and Moderna Inc., will start its most important step around July 27: A 30,000-person study to prove if the shots really are strong enough to protect against the coronavirus.
But Tuesday, researchers reported anxiously awaited findings from the first 45 volunteers who rolled up their sleeves back in March. Sure enough, the vaccine provided a hoped-for immune boost.
Those early volunteers developed what are called neutralizing antibodies in their bloodstream -- molecules key to blocking infection -- at levels comparable to those found in people who survived COVID-19, the research team reported in the New England Journal of Medicine.
“This is an essential building block that is needed to move forward with the trials that could actually determine whether the vaccine does protect against infection,” said Dr. Lisa Jackson of the Kaiser Permanente Washington Research Institute in Seattle, who led the study.
There’s no guarantee but the government hopes to have results around the end of the year -- record-setting speed for developing a vaccine.
The vaccine requires two doses, a month apart.
There were no serious side effects. But more than half the study participants reported flu-like reactions to the shots that aren’t uncommon with other vaccines -- fatigue, headache, chills, fever and pain at the injection site. For three participants given the highest dose, those reactions were more severe; that dose isn’t being pursued.
Some of those reactions are similar to coronavirus symptoms but they’re temporary, lasting about a day and occur right after vaccination, researchers noted.
“Small price to pay for protection against COVID,” said Dr. William Schaffner of Vanderbilt University Medical Center, a vaccine expert who wasn’t involved with the study.
He called the early results “a good first step,” and is optimistic that final testing could deliver answers about whether it's really safe and effective by the beginning of next year.
“It would be wonderful. But that assumes everything’s working right on schedule,” Schaffner cautioned.
Moderna’s share price jumped nearly 15 percent in trading after U.S. markets closed. Shares of the company, based in Cambridge, Massachusetts, have nearly quadrupled this year.
Tuesday's results only included younger adults. The first-step testing later was expanded to include dozens of older adults, the age group most at risk from COVID-19. Those results aren't public yet but regulators are evaluating them. Fauci said final testing will include older adults, as well as people with chronic health conditions that make them more vulnerable to the virus — and Black and Latino populations likewise affected.
Nearly two dozen possible COVID-19 vaccines are in various stages of testing around the world. Candidates from China and Britain’s Oxford University also are entering final testing stages.
The 30,000-person study will mark the world’s largest study of a potential COVID-19 vaccine so far. And the NIH-developed shot isn’t the only one set for such massive U.S. testing, crucial to spot rare side effects. The government plans similar large studies of the Oxford candidate and another by Johnson & Johnson; separately, Pfizer Inc. is planning its own huge study.
Already, people can start signing up to volunteer for the different studies.
People think “this is a race for one winner. Me, I’m cheering every one of them on,” said Fauci, who directs NIH’s National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases.
“We need multiple vaccines. We need vaccines for the world, not only for our own country.”
Around the world, governments are investing in stockpiles of hundreds of millions of doses of the different candidates, in hopes of speedily starting inoculations if any are proven to work.
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The Associated Press Health and Science Department receives support from the Howard Hughes Medical Institute’s Department of Science Education. The AP is solely responsible for all content.

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Quote: @StickyBun said:
@BigAl99 said:
@StickyBun said:
The news media I've come to loath: they are untrustworthy on both sides of the political spectrum. 
The WH is now withholding the Hospital Data from the CDC, pretty sure the New's media isn't the issue.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/trump-...li=BBnb7Kz

Not sure your point here. Are you insinuating the media isn't biased one way or the other? I mean, you understand I think the current administration is a joke, right? They aren't mutually exclusive. 
Correct, yeah they have biases but with good data you can figure it out.  I have a pretty good background interpreting empirical information, and I am having real issue with what is being presented here in the US.  My gut is telling me that the data is corrupt and it's not just an accident, like putting a decimal point in the wrong place, that is a real easy error to find.  To me this site is the gold standard

https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/us-map
and my State Site will not correlate till a week or so later.  In Iowa our auditor is challenging the data chain.  It's going to the contractor doing the testing before it is reported to the state.

https://coronavirus.iowa.gov/
https://www.desmoinesregister.com/story/...431414002/

Some of the stats I see you guys report about Florida don't jive with the real time mortality rates.  And you had some issues with someone getting fired who was responsible for the data, early on.

When I see this administration moving the data collection to a executive branch department vs a public institute for science, I get concerned somethings just might get manipulated, for political reasons.





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Seriously, wtf is with people denying this is a real thing? How ignorant and stubborn can you be?

https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/chuc...32776.html
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Quote: @StickyBun said:
Seriously, wtf is with people denying this is a real thing? How ignorant and stubborn can you be?

https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/chuc...32776.html
I think he meant the extent of the situation,  not that the whole thing is a hoax....to some extent I agree,  to much at stake here for this to all be on the up and up.  So much money to be made.
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