Quote: @JimmyinSD said:
@ BigAl99 said:
Does that make his math and the rest of the information or line of thinking wrong for certain? I dont agree with the anti vaccer movement, but it doesnt mean they are wrong about everything they say does it?
Pretty much, just opinion and non-peer reviewed theory, you need to just wait and see, I guess.
Quote: @JimmyinSD said:
@ BigAl99 said:
Does that make his math and the rest of the information or line of thinking wrong for certain? I dont agree with the anti vaccer movement, but it doesnt mean they are wrong about everything they say does it?
Being anti-vax should make you incredibly skeptical of anything the guy produces opinion wise. And yeah, it might very well mean he's wrong about anything he says. It sure as hell shouldn't make you give the benefit of the doubt so readily at the very least. Its like taking scientific advice from a guy who believes the earth is flat, same logic. Do a dive on the guy and he's pretty controversial and on the fringe, flawed at the minimum. You suffer from selection bias, but that is very prevalent today. I respect your opinion on it, but disagree.
Quote: @BigAl99 said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
@ BigAl99 said:
Does that make his math and the rest of the information or line of thinking wrong for certain? I dont agree with the anti vaccer movement, but it doesnt mean they are wrong about everything they say does it?
Pretty much, just opinion and non-peer reviewed theory, you need to just wait and see, I guess.
I can agree with that, pretty much what everything has been with this thing, but some gained more traction than others regardless of eventual truthfulness.
Im just sharing what I find regardless of what conclusions it supports.
Quote: @savannahskol said:
Back to the hydroxychloroquine "debate",
This "debate", has morphed into a weird anti=vaxxer debate....of which...I'm no part of.
"Our analysis shows that using hydroxychloroquine helped saves lives,” said neurosurgeon Dr. Steven Kalkanis, CEO, Henry Ford Medical Group and Senior Vice President and Chief Academic Officer of Henry Ford Health System. “As doctors and scientists, we look to the data for insight. And the data here is clear that there was benefit to using the drug as a treatment for sick, hospitalized patients.”
https://www.henryford.com/news/2020/07/h...ment-study
Can you please clarify which "debate"? The last time we discussed this it went nowhere.
There are two issues:
- Can HCQ prevent COVID-19? Based on the U of M study... NO. However, some have been advocating that people should take it as a preventative
- Can HCQ cure COVID-19? Maybe/possibly but needs further research. Your post above supports this. But this was never under dispute (see link above)
Based on the above statements there wasn't any debate. Someone was boasting that HCQ could prevent COVID-19 and was taking the drug and bragging about it. That was the issue under discussion.
Quote: @mblack said:
@ savannahskol said:
Back to the hydroxychloroquine "debate",
This "debate", has morphed into a weird anti=vaxxer debate....of which...I'm no part of.
"Our analysis shows that using hydroxychloroquine helped saves lives,” said neurosurgeon Dr. Steven Kalkanis, CEO, Henry Ford Medical Group and Senior Vice President and Chief Academic Officer of Henry Ford Health System. “As doctors and scientists, we look to the data for insight. And the data here is clear that there was benefit to using the drug as a treatment for sick, hospitalized patients.”
https://www.henryford.com/news/2020/07/h...ment-study
Can you please clarify which "debate"? The last time we discussed this it went nowhere.
There are two issues:
- Can HCQ prevent COVID-19? Based on the U of M study... NO. However, some have been advocating that people should take it as a preventative
- Can HCQ cure COVID-19? Maybe/possibly but needs further research. Your post above supports this. But this was never under dispute (see link above)
Based on the above statements there wasn't any debate. Someone was boasting that HCQ could prevent COVID-19 and was taking the drug and bragging about it. That was the issue under discussion.
theres been plenty of discussion and debate on the merit of its use for both measures as well as others (combined with Zpak as a treatment vs its stand alone use as a treatment) regardless this is a political bent in a thread where politics will no longer be permitted so if you 2 choose to continue down this path stick to the science and the topic and leave the whos and whys out of it.
Anybody find it extremely disturbing while reporting new cases there is no substance to the report ie with symptoms in or needed hospitalization. If we treated any other disease the way this one is being treated I know the numbers would be extremely different. Yes there is a definite line with the vulnerable but in reality are we not suppressing the majority in favor of the minority?
Quote: @mjollnir_k said:
Anybody find it extremely disturbing while reporting new cases there is no substance to the report ie with symptoms in or needed hospitalization. If we treated any other disease the way this one is being treated I know the numbers would be extremely different. Yes there is a definite line with the vulnerable but in reality are we not suppressing the majority in favor of the minority?
Think of it this way, there were 2,974 victims of 9/11, that was hardly a majority, 19 attackers, look how we reacted to that. Most western countries are going to have their economies in full gear by October or November, how do you think ours will be doing?
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