OT: Coronavirus

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@RS Express said:

Uffda.
https://twitter.com/NAChristakis/status/...8844694530

And remember when Sweden was being held up as model of how to handle the virus?

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dayum....that's a sad tale to be telling. 

Wonder how North America and rest of Europe look on that scale?

Edit:
That's a bad ass curve they got going there.

So (to-date) Sweden has faired worse than the US, but better than some other areas of Europe and far worse than some of their nordic neighbors. I wonder where Swedish leadership set the success bar?

(deaths per million as of 5/24/20):

• US 293.31 
• India: 2.91 (???)
• UK: 540.24
• Russia: 24.26
• France: 434.05
• Italy: 541.42
• Spain: 614.95

https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/total...2020-03-15..&country=ESP

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US company trials coronavirus vaccine in Australia

By ROD McGUIRK Associated PressMay 25, 2020 — 7:10pm

CANBERRA, Australia — A U.S. biotechnology company announced on Tuesday the start of human trials in Australia of a vaccine for the coronarvirus with hopes of releasing a proven vaccine this year.
Novavax has begun the first phase of the trial in which 131 volunteers in the cities of Melbourne and Brisbane will test the safety of the vaccine and look for early signs of the vaccine's effectiveness, the company's research chief Dr. Gregory Glenn said.
"We are in parallel making doses, making vaccine in anticipation that we'll be able to show it's working and be able to start deploying it by the end of this year," Glenn told a virtual press conference in Melbourne from Novavax' headquarters in Maryland.
Animal testing suggested the vaccine is effective in low doses. Novavax could manufacture at least 100 million doses this year and 1.5 billion in 2021, he said.
Manufacture of the vaccine, named NVX-CoV2373, was being scaled up with $388 million invested by Norway-based Coalition for Epidemic Preparedness Innovations since March, Glenn said.
About a dozen experimental vaccines are in early stages of testing or poised to start, mostly in China, the U.S. and Europe. It's not clear that any of the candidates ultimately will prove safe and effective. But many work in different ways, and are made with different technologies, increasing the odds that at least one approach might succeed.
The results of the first phase of clinical trials in Australia are expected to be known in July, Novavax said. Thousands of candidates in several countries would then become involved in a second phase.
The trial began with six volunteers being injected with the potential vaccine in Melbourne on Tuesday, said Paul Griffin, infectious disease expert with Australian collaborator Nucleus Network.
Most of the vaccine shots in the pipeline aim to train the immune system to recognize the "spike" protein that studs the coronavirus' outer surface, priming the body to react if it ever encountered the real infection. Some candidates are made using just the genetic code for that protein, and others use a harmless virus to deliver the protein-producing information. Still other vaccine candidates are more old-fashioned, made with the killed whole virus.
Novavax adds another new kind to that list, what's called a recombinant vaccine. Novavax used genetic engineering to grow harmless copies of the coronavirus spike protein in giant vats of insect cells in a laboratory. Scientists extracted and purified the protein, and packaged it into virus-sized nanoparticles.
"The way we make a vaccine is we never touch the virus," Novavax told The Associated Press last month. But ultimately, "it looks just like a virus to the immune system."
It's the same process that Novavax used to create a nanoparticle flu vaccine that recently passed late-stage testing.A U.S. biotechnology company announced on Tuesday the start of human trials in Australia of a vaccine for the coronarvirus with hopes of releasing a proven vaccine this year.

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https://twitter.com/boriquagato/status/1...3505356801


I found this interesting and enlightening regarding the virus and how deadly it actually has been in the US,  as well as why its been way worse in some locations than others.  Also,  I was not aware that these state had mandated elderly care facilities to take in known infected patients.  That to me screams bull shit,  does anybody know if this is true,  and if so what logic was there in putting the infected with most vulnerable?

EDIT:  found this to be true in NY, NJ, and also California,  not sure about the other states,  but WTF kind of logic by any bureaucrat would put covid patients in a nursing home?  would they hire pedophiles to nanny their kids and grandkids?  JFC,  this should be criminally investigated and people need to lose their jobs and their freedoms.  If I had a loved one in a home that was forced to accept these infected patients my lawyer would be working on a civil case and I would be rounding up as many co-plaintiffs as I could. 

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EY5zhVJUMAAQ5uX?format=jpg&name=small

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I think that may stem from rehab patients historically going to these facilities for surgery recovery etc...So kinda grand-fathered in systems and practices. 

That said, putting Covid patients in elderly care facilities strikes me about as wise as putting mice in a snake cage and wondering what will happen.

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@purplefaithful said:
I think that may stem from rehab patients historically going to these facilities for surgery recovery etc...So kinda grand-fathered in systems and practices. 

That said, putting Covid patients in elderly care facilities strikes me about as wise as putting mice in a snake cage and wondering what will happen.

A lot of things that we did historically prior to covid 19 were suspended in the name of safety,   this is just plain criminal IMO.

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@JimmyinSD said:

@purplefaithful said:
I think that may stem from rehab patients historically going to these facilities for surgery recovery etc...So kinda grand-fathered in systems and practices. 

That said, putting Covid patients in elderly care facilities strikes me about as wise as putting mice in a snake cage and wondering what will happen.

A lot of things that we did historically prior to covid 19 were suspended in the name of safety,   this is just plain criminal IMO.

I think a big part of this is insurance companies getting people out of hospitals as fast as possible. I read a report that Medicare was pushing to get patients out of hospitals asap and the Florida health department blockaded it. This is a big part of why NY and NJ numbers have skyrocketed and Florida's have not despite Florida having an aged population and not shutting down their economy.

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@Hidalgo said:

@JimmyinSD said:

@purplefaithful said:
I think that may stem from rehab patients historically going to these facilities for surgery recovery etc...So kinda grand-fathered in systems and practices. 

That said, putting Covid patients in elderly care facilities strikes me about as wise as putting mice in a snake cage and wondering what will happen.

A lot of things that we did historically prior to covid 19 were suspended in the name of safety,   this is just plain criminal IMO.

I think a big part of this is insurance companies getting people out of hospitals as fast as possible. I read a report that Medicare was pushing to get patients out of hospitals asap and the Florida health department blockaded it. This is a big part of why NY and NJ numbers have skyrocketed and Florida's have not despite Florida having an aged population and not shutting down their economy.

This seems to be more on a state by state basisl, SD NH took extra precautions to keep covid out, and from what I've heard MN homes did similar.

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@JimmyinSD said:

@purplefaithful said:
I think that may stem from rehab patients historically going to these facilities for surgery recovery etc...So kinda grand-fathered in systems and practices. 

That said, putting Covid patients in elderly care facilities strikes me about as wise as putting mice in a snake cage and wondering what will happen.

A lot of things that we did historically prior to covid 19 were suspended in the name of safety,   this is just plain criminal IMO.

That could infringe on some folks rights, that's the current zeitgeist