Login

Vikesrock · Yesterday, 04:53 PM

I am meh. I want to be in, but it just feels like the same ol' song and dance from the Vikings. Bring in someone to "win" and somewhere down the line when they have you at the highest level of excitement, they drop you on your head. I just don't see a clear cut future with the path we are on right now and my goal is Super Bowl or nothing. I am tired of all the in between. Is Kyler Murray a Super Bowl capable QB? I guess you could of knocked me over with a feather if you had told me Sam Darnold would win a Super Bowl 2 years ago. So anything is possible right? Right? RIGHT?

I want to be in on KOC, but the entire JJM process has soured me quite a bit since last year. I was 100% all KOC all the time this time last year. But his own words haunt me. Is the organization failing a young QB? Honestly, if the Vikings win a Super Bowl in the next 2 years, I don't give a flying rats ass about JJM, unless he wins it....

RS_Express · Today, 12:24 AM

(Yesterday, 12:12 PM)supafreak84 Wrote: I'm out on O'Connell. Of course, I always hope for the best, but to me there were numerous problems that were revealed last season and the whole Kyler Murray signing reeks of desperation and hoping the little fella can run around and win O'Connell enough games to save his job because in no way, shape, or form is Murray a scheme fit in the O'Connell chuck and duck. I am also convinced the chuck and duck isn't condusive to winning in the postseason unless O'Connell makes substantial philosophical changes with the run game and how he approaches the run game as a play caller. Judging by his postseason presser, he has no intention of that happening. I think we are back in that 8 to 9 win range in a very tough division with the draft still pending.

On top of his "my system to the death" issues, he also seems to be grinding a personal ax on JJM. Publicly whining 3 months after the fact about JJM missing one practice for the birth of his son made KOC look like the baby.

I'm more optimistic about the draft than I am about KOC adjusting. The Vikings have 3 Day 2 picks so they can let the board fall to them rather than reaching for a need because they don't have another pick for 80 slots. Can we get Flores a 3rd corner with talent instead of holding the secondary together with chewing gum?

As for injuries... Darrisaw's been hurt every year of his career. I'm just counting until when, not if he goes down again. Would be nice of Van Demark to NOT do a Skule impression when he comes in.

MaroonBells · 4 hours ago

(Yesterday, 04:53 PM)Vikesrock Wrote: I am meh. I want to be in, but it just feels like the same ol' song and dance from the Vikings. Bring in someone to "win" and somewhere down the line when they have you at the highest level of excitement, they drop you on your head. I just don't see a clear cut future with the path we are on right now and my goal is Super Bowl or nothing. I am tired of all the in between. Is Kyler Murray a Super Bowl capable QB? I guess you could of knocked me over with a feather if you had told me Sam Darnold would win a Super Bowl 2 years ago. So anything is possible right? Right? RIGHT?

I want to be in on KOC, but the entire JJM process has soured me quite a bit since last year. I was 100% all KOC all the time this time last year. But his own words haunt me. Is the organization failing a young QB? Honestly, if the Vikings win a Super Bowl in the next 2 years, I don't give a flying rats ass about JJM, unless he wins it....

Sam Darnold was a bust. No ifs, ands or buts about it. After his first three seasons in the NFL, he was sent packing. After his first three seasons in the NFL, Murray had one OROY and two Pro Bowls. People may not think of those things as big achievements, but imagine how happy we'd be if McCarthy, going into his 3rd season, already had an OROY and his first of two Pro Bowl nods.

Has he been injury prone? He sure has. Will it be a challenge to match his play style to our system? Absolutely. But to talk about him like he's been Zach Wilson or Trey Lance is baffling to me.

pattersaur · 4 hours ago

(Yesterday, 04:53 PM)Vikesrock Wrote: Bring in someone to "win" and somewhere down the line when they have you at the highest level of excitement, they drop you on your head.

This really does happen every time lol

Vikesrock · 3 hours ago

(4 hours ago)MaroonBells Wrote: Sam Darnold was a bust. No ifs, ands or buts about it. After his first three seasons in the NFL, he was sent packing. After his first three seasons in the NFL, Murray had one OROY and two Pro Bowls. People may not think of those things as big achievements, but imagine how happy we'd be if McCarthy, going into his 3rd season, already had an OROY and his first of two Pro Bowl nods.

Has he been injury prone? He sure has. Will it be a challenge to match his play style to our system? Absolutely. But to talk about him like he's been Zach Wilson or Trey Lance is baffling to me.

First of all you keep doing this. I am not saying Murray has been a bust. What I am saying is I don't see Super Bowl champion for Murray, but we also didn't see that with Darnold, so we could all be wrong. I can also say without a doubt that the Vikings have never won a Super Bowl doing pretty much this same process. No one thought Brett Farve was T Jack either, but the results were pretty much the same...Failure in the end.

MaroonBells · 1 hour ago

(3 hours ago)Vikesrock Wrote: First of all you keep doing this. I am not saying Murray has been a bust. What I am saying is I don't see Super Bowl champion for Murray, but we also didn't see that with Darnold, so we could all be wrong. I can also say without a doubt that the Vikings have never won a Super Bowl doing pretty much this same process. No one thought Brett Farve was T Jack either, but the results were pretty much the same...Failure in the end.

You say the Vikings have used “this same process,” as if it’s some kind of strategy they prefer over drafting a franchise QB. That’s obviously not the case considering we drafted McCarthy in the top 10 just two years ago. Bringing in a veteran QB to cover draft mistakes is what every team in the NFL has done and continues to do.

Sure, we’d all love it if Culpepper and Bridgewater didn’t suffer career-ending injuries. We’d all love it if Ponder wasn’t a bust. To cover those failures, the Vikings brought in Favre, Bradford and Cousins. But this is what teams do when they miss on QBs. Between Joe Montana and Patrick Mahomes, the Chiefs tried Trent Green, Matt Cassel and Alex Smith. Between Kurt Warner and Matthew Stafford, the Rams tried Marc Bulger, Sam Bradford and Jared Goff. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn’t.

McCarthy just hasn’t developed quite like we expected. It’s nobody’s fault. His meniscus knocked his development off track. He then suffered three more injuries the following season. Can we trust this roster in the hands of that QB? I don’t know man, but I wouldn’t bet on it. How many more seasons do you want to watch Justin Jefferson catch 2 touchdowns?

McCarthy is far from being declared a bust, but to hedge that bet, the Vikings brought in a win-now QB that better fits their win-now roster. We’re not always going to have Jefferson, Hockenson, Addison and Darrisaw. We’re not always going to have Brian Flores. Kyler might work here, he might not. But as a Viking fan who has never seen a championship, I’m happy we’re giving it a shot. Given our situation and his, signing Murray was the biggest no-brainer in the history of no-brainers. Still, for whatever reason, the move was, and still is, roundly blasted by half of Skol Nation, which is just bewildering to me.

Viking1987isback · 45 minutes ago

I'm in I think the defense will be awesome